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Lightning Knight posted:In case we forget it amidst all the bullshit petty corruption drama, Trump is responsible for facilitating genocide in Syria and this poo poo too: You're not going to win the National Character Counts prize with that attitude 
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Lightning Knight posted:In case we forget it amidst all the bullshit petty corruption drama, Trump is responsible for facilitating genocide in Syria and this poo poo too: isn't that genocide?
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Oct 19, 2019 19:53
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Isn't regulating hate speech unconstitutional? Nationalizing social media won't accomplish much as long as defamation and privacy laws are weak, although presumably it would make enforcement easier. You might as well hope for Facebook to improve their policies to avoid GDPR fines ( ).
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Archonex posted:You've misunderstood what I was saying. I'm not saying that I care what a bunch of corrupt pricks and corporate sellouts think about the idea. I'm saying they currently have a death grip on the levers that could make such a thing happen. Which means that effecting that sort of change in any sort of meaningful time frame is unlikely barring unforeseen changes in their ability to exert themselves. quote:You're basically talking about at least kicking the centrists back down to the point where they're contributors to the party instead of leading it. Which would (barring a massive social upheaval) probably take at least a decade of work to accomplish. We are already in the midst of a huge social upheaval that is seeing centrists rapidly driven from power. quote:And then there's the fight to actually nationalize the company in the first place. And while both these things were happening you can damned well bet that Facebook and similar companies are going to be doing everything they can behind the scenes with the centrists/third way types to stop or corrupt the process. So what? You fight them anyways. quote:
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Oct 19, 2019 19:54
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:isn't that genocide? yes, one of the textbook definitions of it.
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Oct 19, 2019 19:55
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:isn't that genocide? I’ve seen people say it falls under whatever official definition of genocide is used by the UN, but I would probably call it organized human trafficking if asked. Whatever it is, it’s monstrous.
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Oct 19, 2019 19:56
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Solaris 2.0 posted:“Kill Capitalism” isn’t a solution that fixes the problems of today tho. You still need to find a way to fund journalists and “destroy capitalism” isn’t going to keep them employed. A serious policy proposal is needed.
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Oct 19, 2019 19:56
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:isn't that genocide? What is your definition of genocide? I'm curious because the word gets used quite loosely.
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Lightning Knight posted:In case we forget it amidst all the bullshit petty corruption drama, Trump is responsible for facilitating genocide in Syria and this poo poo too: That is also genocide.
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Oct 19, 2019 19:57
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sorry for the lovely link, but the day after basically calling for impeachment, Rep. Rooney is resigning. https://twitter.com/keithboykin/status/1185610915464536069?s=20 oops
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Oct 19, 2019 19:59
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Prester Jane posted:No one likes apologia, and while your post was written in what you perceive to be good faith- it is terribly verbose content that never actually gets to any point other than insisting that the system can save us. You have never argued in good faith, you always engage in strawman arguments. Look at this post specifically, I never said that the system is perfect and doesn't need to be changed. In fact I have advocated for specific changes to the system which is the exact opposite of saying that the system is perfect. I haven't responded to any specific arguments you have made because you have never presented any other than vague "this thing should happen" without ever giving any explanation of how you think that this thing will happen. I have given you multiple opportunities over the years to expound upon what you think should be done and every time you resort to accusations privilege trying to dismiss my arguments as being the result of my cis white privilege as if you didn't identify as cis white male when we started this argument so many years ago. You accuse others of religious adherence to ideas yet you are the one who views anyone who doesn't adhere to your orthodoxy as some sort of heretic rather than someone who just has different opinions. It's annoying because I view you as an ally but you appear to be operating under the misimpression that ally means "completely agree on everything, hold identical priorities and must always defer to you when they differ" and view any questioning of that definition as a personal affront. Just because something is obvious to you doesn't mean that it is obvious to others, in fact the fact that they aren't universally held views should be a very strong indicator that they aren't obvious to everyone. You're like the Christians who assume that atheists hate God and are evil devil worshipers because they say they don't believe in something that the Christians view as obvious. You assume the worst of those who don't agree with you and rather than trying to view things from their perspective and trying to understand how they reached different conclusions based on their experiences and backgrounds you just assume that they are selfish and evil rather than just wrong and you sure as hell don't ever consider the possibility that maybe you are the one who is wrong. To have a good faith discussion you have to accept the possibility that you are the one who is wrong because otherwise you are not discussing, you are not debating you are preaching and proselytizing and you have shown no evidence of ever admitting that you have been wrong about anything. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Oct 19, 2019 19:59
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Nenonen posted:What is your definition of genocide? I'm curious because the word gets used quite loosely. Just going by the UN definition: quote:Article Two of the convention defines genocide as "any of the following acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such":
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Oct 19, 2019 19:59
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Nenonen posted:What is your definition of genocide? I'm curious because the word gets used quite loosely. Forcefully taking children of a certain group from their parents to be raised by strangers from a different ethnic group is a recognized form of genocide.
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Oct 19, 2019 19:59
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Nenonen posted:What is your definition of genocide? I'm curious because the word gets used quite loosely. it's one of the literal definitions of the word quote:Article II
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Oct 19, 2019 20:00
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Genocide as a term doesn't get used loosely so much as a lot of people think that if you dont have einsatzgruppen style death squads you don't have a genocide.
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Oct 19, 2019 20:00
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FizFashizzle posted:sorry for the lovely link, but the day after basically calling for impeachment, Rep. Rooney is resigning. Oh wow, just yesterday he was in the "And he isn't retiring" group.
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Oct 19, 2019 20:03
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FizFashizzle posted:sorry for the lovely link, but the day after basically calling for impeachment, Rep. Rooney is resigning. I'm fine with all house Rs retiring in 2020 if it that is what it takes to get their yay vote.
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Oct 19, 2019 20:04
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I'm curious if he talked because he's retiring or he's retiring because he talked.
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Oct 19, 2019 20:04
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Raenir Salazar posted:Oh wow, just yesterday he was in the "And he isn't retiring" group. Must have gotten a lot of pushback from his district about his stance on impeachment.
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Oct 19, 2019 20:05
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Skex posted:You have never argued in good faith, you always engage in strawman arguments. Look at this post specifically, I never said that the system is perfect and doesn't need to be changed. In fact I have advocated for specific changes to the system which is the exact opposite of saying that the system is perfect. I have done so repeatedly in the protest voting thread. You never responded to those posts and (like all the other posters that laid out what you want) you simply pretend it never happened. quote:I have given you multiple opportunities over the years to expound upon what you think should be done and every time you resort to accusations privilege trying to dismiss my arguments as being the result of my cis white privilege as if you didn't identify as cis white male when we started this argument so many years ago.  quote:To have a good faith discussion you have to accept the possibility that you are the one who is wrong because otherwise you are not discussing, you are not debating you are preaching and proselytizing and you have shown no evidence of ever admitting that you have been wrong about anything. I dont take anyone seriously who demands others make sacrifices that they themselves are not willing to make. (That's also why I frequently reference how much your privelege blinds you.) Prester Jane fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Oct 19, 2019 |
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Oct 19, 2019 20:07
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Genocide as a term doesn't get used loosely so much as a lot of people think that if you dont have einsatzgruppen style death squads you don't have a genocide. Agreed, people hear genocide and think extermination when it's often more about wiping out an ethnic identity or culture than exterminating a particular population.
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Oct 19, 2019 20:08
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Skex posted:It's annoying because I view you as an ally but you appear to be operating under the misimpression that ally means "completely agree on everything, hold identical priorities and must always defer to you when they differ" and view any questioning of that definition as a personal affront. If you are only willing to meekly voice your disagreement from the sidelines as I am marched to the camps you were never my ally. Also- you are not prepared to sacrifice for me but expect minorities to sacrifice for you. We are not allies because you clearly do not regard the needs/rights of minorities as being equal to your own. Prester Jane fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Oct 19, 2019 |
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All of the decorum and civility stuff may seem like bullshit to us, and a lot of it probably was. But it also probably made congress, on just a human level, a lot more pleasant place to work for a long time. Now that it’s basically gone, we’re going to see more retirements. Particularly among R’s. I mean, your policy preferences are being passed anyway through the courts, so why stay in the mud?
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Oct 19, 2019 20:15
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Prester Jane posted:Forcefully taking children of a certain group from their parents to be raised by strangers from a different ethnic group is a recognized form of genocide. Is this forceful adoption targetting a specific ethnic group to be intentionally raised by a different ethnic group?
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Oct 19, 2019 20:15
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Nenonen posted:Is this forceful adoption targetting a specific ethnic group to be intentionally raised by a different ethnic group? If the perpetrators are too stupid and racist to be able to tell whether the brown folks they're terrorizing are Honduran or Nicaraguan, does it matter?
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Oct 19, 2019 20:17
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Kill Bristol posted:All of the decorum and civility stuff may seem like bullshit to us, and a lot of it probably was. But it also probably made congress, on just a human level, a lot more pleasant place to work for a long time. Now that it’s basically gone, we’re going to see more retirements. Decorum was a byproduct of a system that let people take individual wins home even if they lost a vote. I think what broke our system was the elimination of pork projects. You know, money for projects that soothe voters when a vote is lost. Even when most voters don't know or care, their politician ideally is bringing home projects that make people happy. Right now there is no incentive to work together because those pork projects have been removed. How you bring home wins is by winning or putting up the biggest drat fight you can, or at least pretending to, and crowing about it. By eliminating pork projects, there are no political wins for politicians if they lose. Nothing. And so this polarizes the parties. This is by no means the only reason, but I think if pork was restored you'd see more bipartisanship and more moderation. Fringe politics, at least on the right, totally dominates and this is a legitimate reason why.
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Oct 19, 2019 20:21
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Nenonen posted:Is this forceful adoption targetting a specific ethnic group to be intentionally raised by a different ethnic group? Emphatically yes. They are being adopted into Christian group homes that use Accelerated Christian Education to teach them. (A.C.E. was invented by a pedophile white supremacist) Prester Jane fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Oct 19, 2019 |
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Oct 19, 2019 20:23
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If I was in a room with Donald Trump, what would be the most insulting, hurtful, enraging thing I could say to him? What would personally offend him most?
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Oct 19, 2019 20:28
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:If I was in a room with Donald Trump, what would be the most insulting, hurtful, enraging thing I could say to him? What would personally offend him most? Complimenting someone else in the room while ignoring his existence.
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Oct 19, 2019 20:29
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:If I was in a room with Donald Trump, what would be the most insulting, hurtful, enraging thing I could say to him? What would personally offend him most? Pretend not to recognize him.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:If I was in a room with Donald Trump, what would be the most insulting, hurtful, enraging thing I could say to him? What would personally offend him most? Loudly draw attention to the fact that he wears diapers and every New York celebrity thinks he's a loving clown dipshit
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:If I was in a room with Donald Trump, what would be the most insulting, hurtful, enraging thing I could say to him? What would personally offend him most? If you believe he is a clinical narcissist, not recognizing him at all would probably be the most psychologically damaging. efb, and ya PJ's recommendation to compliment someone else is good.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:If I was in a room with Donald Trump, what would be the most insulting, hurtful, enraging thing I could say to him? What would personally offend him most? Accuse him of being poor maybe.
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Oct 19, 2019 20:30
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Prester Jane posted:Emphatically yes. They are being adopted into Christian group homes that use Accelerated Christian Education to teach them. (A.C.E. was invented by a pedophile white supremacist) Hey P.J., could you recall the chain of fuckery that starts with Betay Devos and ends with Indian Schools 2: This Time it's a Personal Relationship with Jesus Christ? I have the memory of a used Keurig Cup cand can't recall most of the salient details.
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Oct 19, 2019 20:32
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He's supposed to really hate it when people call him Donald.
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Oct 19, 2019 20:33
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WorldsStongestNerd posted:Do you think that socialist or communist societys don't have journalism? You seem to think that jobs and money don't exist without capitalism which is incorrect. I have never said anything of the sort. All I have said is there is no magic button that makes capitalism stop in this country, at least overnight. Every issue related to capitalism needs to be dealt with on its own because Capitalism is like a cancer. There is no “just cure cancer” instead you have to find separate cures for each metastasis. Whether that be journalism, education, healthcare, housing. People need actual workable solutions and alternatives. That’s why I am big on policy proposals and not ideological talking points.
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Oct 19, 2019 20:34
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WorldsStongestNerd posted:Do you think that socialist or communist societys don't have journalism? You seem to think that jobs and money don't exist without capitalism which is incorrect. tbf most of the world leaders in imprisoning and executing journalists were communist countries up until just a few years ago so I'm not sure that non capitalist systems are much better for journalism either. Now it's Turkey, China, and Egypt that are the heavy hitters
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:If I was in a room with Donald Trump, what would be the most insulting, hurtful, enraging thing I could say to him? What would personally offend him most? Breaking his nose. Not recommending that course of action, mind
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Oct 19, 2019 20:37
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Solaris 2.0 posted:I have never said anything of the sort. All I have said is there is no magic button that makes capitalism stop in this country, at least overnight. Every issue related to capitalism needs to be dealt with on its own because Capitalism is like a cancer. There is no “just cure cancer” instead you have to find separate cures for each metastasis. Whether that be journalism, education, healthcare, housing. "Policy proposals" aren't going to save us from climate change- particularly when said proposals will have their implementation controlled by a leadership team that exists to serve the interests of the rich.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Breaking his nose. I assume he’d prefer to not die by Secret Service.
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