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HIJK posted:Scifi fantasy authors have a history of being sex pests and the industry has a long history of enabling it and covering it up. Honestly the best outcome is that Rothfuss just writes juvenile wank fantasies for his audience. If the worst thing he does is encourage his readers to be self centered whiny man children that want their lives to be a nonstop porno well.. that's still lovely but it's the average level of every day life lovely, and not "committed a crime and attacked someone" lovely. When I was renewing the second book a female librarian said "try to savor it, you won't get any more for a while" so he has at least one female reader
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Malpais Legate posted:Okay but The Name of the Wind is already a lovely origin story. How do you origin story an origin story? I'm wracking my brain trying to figure this out. All the interesting characters' origins are either in the current generation, or thousands of years ago. I GUESS it could be about how Kvothe's mom left the Lackless family and met his dad, or about Elodin's young years, but come on
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Its Coke posted:When I was renewing the second book a female librarian said "try to savor it, you won't get any more for a while" so he has at least one female reader Did you do sex with her? I think that was a sex thing.
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i tried to summon ursula le guin back from the dead but instead i ended up with a murderous embodiment of my own inner darkness. luckily it turns out we both hate rothfuss, so we bonded and now we're on a road trip to find and purge him from this realm
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fauna posted:i tried to summon ursula le guin back from the dead but instead i ended up with a murderous embodiment of my own inner darkness. luckily it turns out we both hate rothfuss, so we bonded and now we're on a road trip to find and purge him from this realm excuse me, i'm the reincarnation of a priestess to nameless god and I would like to join you on this journey. the worship of rothfuss is eroding support for my own church. please consider.
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professor metis posted:excuse me, i'm the reincarnation of a priestess to nameless god and I would like to join you on this journey. the worship of rothfuss is eroding support for my own church. please consider.
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Solice Kirsk posted:Did you do sex with her? I think that was a sex thing. I did not, foolish boy that I was
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Oct 20, 2019 03:11
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Every fan of these books that I know personally is female.
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Oct 20, 2019 03:32
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Its Coke posted:I did not, foolish boy that I was Well go have several years worth of sex with a sex goddess and then head on back. She'll be able to tell immediately that you're Maer of Poundtown now.
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fauna posted:sorry i have to remain a virgin to keep my cosmic powers and i don't trust myself not to fall in love with you k i'll just go torture some thieves trapped in my extensive cave network instead, bye
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Alec Eiffel posted:Every fan of these books that I know personally is female. it's like Gor, for a new generation.
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Alec Eiffel posted:Every fan of these books that I know personally is female. It's been a 50/50 split in my experience but yes I've definitely met female fans. None of them were willing to defend Denna, though...
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female sff fans often resort to deactivating their critical instincts entirely when reading because the whole genre is completely depressing unless they've trained themselves to ignore the misogyny and bigotries inherent in the texts. the alternative is resigning themselves to only enjoying 0.1% of what they're presented, and they need escapism just as much as dudes
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the horror genre taught me that skill, i remember as a teenager reading stephen king and thinking "ok this guy loving hates women but you're just going to have to pretend he doesn't if you want to have a good time"
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fauna posted:female sff fans often resort to deactivating their critical instincts entirely when reading because the whole genre is completely depressing unless they've trained themselves to ignore the misogyny and bigotries inherent in the texts. the alternative is resigning themselves to only enjoying 0.1% of what they're presented, and they need escapism just as much as dudes But for the past, yeah sure.
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yeah look at what dominates the Hugos and Nebulas now. this is a good thing.
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Ding, dong. https://variety.com/2019/tv/news/kingkiller-chronicle-series-showtime-lionsgate-1203337166/ LOL, though, at the author who apparently thinks this is a finished series. quote:“The Kingkiller Chronicle” book trilogy by Patrick Rothfuss and novellas have sold 10 million copies, and the first two books — “The Name of the Wind” and “The Wise Man’s Fear” — were New York Times bestsellers.
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Got a feeling that the epic fantasy tv bubble that GoT inflated has already burst before any of the shows have even come out. This is a-ok by me.
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my bony fealty posted:Got a feeling that the epic fantasy tv bubble that GoT inflated has already burst before any of the shows have even come out. This is a-ok by me. Pretty sure the movie and video game aren't happening either. The timing for all of this was literally like a decade ago.
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It was the patient, cut-flower sound of a series which is waiting to die.
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A prequel series never made any sense to me. There are hardly any characters of note. The world building is vague at best. And with an unfinished plot, no one has any idea how these things connect. If you're just going to make up everything yourself, why pay for an IP?
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Atlas Hugged posted:A prequel series never made any sense to me. There are hardly any characters of note. The world building is vague at best. And with an unfinished plot, no one has any idea how these things connect. I'm pretty sure they realized they had a real problem with trying to make a TV show out of the actual books, because there is so much filler and nonsense that it'd be impossible to sustain or make an interesting show out of. At least with a movie you could cut it all out and claim it's because of running time. So it's best just to make it about Some Guys basically going to all the same places as the books but with an actual plot. Or pretending to be an actual plot. EDIT: I mean, it's still not the most disrespectful adaptation one of these networks has ever done. Hell, the live-action Noir adaptation was intending to make the two explicitly lesbian protagonists side characters in the show titled after their group name and also gave them boyfriends. Kchama fucked around with this message at 16:08 on Nov 1, 2019 |
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has anyone in this thread or elsewhere come up with a reason why these books got so popular at all like was it just a random fluke that out of the many fantasy books published every year this one got big. did Rothfuss know somebody important or something.
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Fantasy novels don't usually make such a song and dance of their flowingly poetic beauty. Decent hook if it doesn't interfere with the perfectly undemanding pandering that the market craves.
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my bony fealty posted:has anyone in this thread or elsewhere come up with a reason why these books got so popular at all He got a lot of contacts from this writing contest thing that he won. He used the contact to get a publishing contracts that ensured him that they'd market him to hell as the next big author. By the way, he won it with the section from Wise Man's Fear where he comes across the evil/fake troupe of Edema Ruh, which was a direct and completely unedited version of the story he submitted to the contest, just with the framing story added around it. This is why it's written in a completely different style, has Kvothe act completely differently for it, and try to maintain a mystery of who he is and if he could be a rapist despite the first book establishing that not even morals-stripping magic could make him rape somebody. And then immediately went back to the normal writing style the moment the copy and pasted stuff ended.
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It seems completely mad that did so well out of that though, I mean he has sold millions of his two books. Far more than a lot of authors who have won stuff like Hugo and Nebulae awards and published large numbers of far better books.
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Patrat posted:It seems completely mad that did so well out of that though, I mean he has sold millions of his two books. Far more than a lot of authors who have won stuff like Hugo and Nebulae awards and published large numbers of far better books. If you can get someone to market you right you can sell dreck easily. See: Dresden Files. See especially: Eragon, whose stuff got published by his family's friends.
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He was the mediocre author who had everything fall in to place just right to hit it big. See also: Twilight and 50 Shades of Fanfic.
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fauna posted:eragon is pure and beautiful no.
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Paolini's big advantage is that the marketing was YOUNGEST AUTHOR EVER and hyped him up even though while he was indeed good for a 15 year old (when he begin writing), he was just mediocre for 19 or whatever age he was when all of it was getting released. But it was a hook and got people buying the first book. And like Dresden Files, once a lot of people buy the first book they'll feel required to buy the rest out of sunk cost fallacy.
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Kchama posted:Paolini's big advantage is that the marketing was YOUNGEST AUTHOR EVER and hyped him up even though while he was indeed good for a 15 year old (when he begin writing), he was just mediocre for 19 or whatever age he was when all of it was getting released. Stop stalking me.
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latinotwink1997 posted:Stop stalking me. Sorry but I haven't even read your later books so you're safe, Paolini. Kchama fucked around with this message at 04:17 on Nov 2, 2019 |
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Xarn posted:Original IP does not come with built-in rubes. And I think someone at Showtime clearly did an analysis to see how many built in rubes this franchise had versus how much the IP was going to cost.
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eragon is a book about a fifteen-year-old boy writing a book about a magical fantasy world
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Do you think LOTR is immune or is this Amazon series also doomed? If that fails we'll probably never get another fantasy adaptation again.
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Kchama posted:Sorry but I haven't even read your later books so you're safe, Paolini. I at least have the excuse my dad bought the first two books for me. The last two were completely on me.
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For you drudges hard of memory:the old ceremony posted:all through high school i was working on a hundred thousand word pastoral travelling scene that i called a novel, all the adults in my life encouraged me because they were all certain i'd be published on the basis of my age alone and at least make a few novelty bucks out of it, and i hated christopher paolini with fierce, theatrical violence. i loathed that man. sometimes i would open my copy of eragon, which was given to me by my sweetest cousin who later committed suicide so i simultaneously despised the book and was driven to hold onto it like a talisman, and stare at paolini's author portrait in silent hatred. of course i never got published and now i'm almost thirty and my youthful promise has gurgled down the twin infested drains of university education and the global financial crisis. i am haunted by paolini. the toilet paper comes away from my rear end with his face smeared onto it like a jesus toast. i see him in the rainless clouds. when i catch the bus to my welfare appointments, where a tired-looking woman tries to convince me to get a certificate in aged care and spend the rest of my life scrubbing the elderly, the bus driver with his competitive hourly rate and his union membership and his loving long-service leave is christopher paolini. the welfare lady is paolini. the elderly are paolini. i look at myself in the mirror and all i see is the teenage paolini, proudly smirking. worst of all i think eragon survives as something like a perfect cultural object, a fantasy novel that was written by an actual adolescent rather than the psychosexually adolescent adults that populate the genre and this thread
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Tree Dude posted:Do you think LOTR is immune or is this Amazon series also doomed? If that fails we'll probably never get another fantasy adaptation again. LOTR has a lot of material to be mined for more stories. The Silmarillion alone probably has enough content to make a dozen films or a lot of series. And there are a lot of Tolkien fans out there, or even just fans who enjoyed the LOTR and The Hobbit films. And one positive aspect of the Silmarillion is that it's basically just a summary of all the poo poo that happened, showrunners would have a lot of freedom how they want to tell those stories. I think they're going with Numenor IIRC, and all that the Silmarillion had to say about it was basically "it was founded by one of the two half-elves, was a bastion of the forces of good, until Sauron came and corrupted them, then the Valar sank the island, and the last pure Numenorans founded Gondor (and Arnor)". Torrannor fucked around with this message at 08:43 on Nov 2, 2019 |
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