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Yeah, my guess is that this is Jordan requesting some "please tell us that your government is not as insane as it looks" reassurances.
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Journalism existed for decades without having to worry about yellow journalism in any large fashion. We need to return to the days where journalism is no longer subject to market whims and where opinion pieces need to be explicitly labeled as such. If anything, we need to nationalize fact checking for anything labeled as non-opinion-based news. Fairness Doctrine was a half-measure.
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SpeakSlow posted:Journalism existed for decades without having to worry about yellow journalism in any large fashion. We need to return to the days where journalism is no longer subject to market whims and where opinion pieces need to be explicitly labeled as such. You know why the term yellow journalism exists right?
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Oct 20, 2019 05:11
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SpeakSlow posted:Journalism existed for decades without having to worry about yellow journalism in any large fashion. We need to return to the days where journalism is no longer subject to market whims and where opinion pieces need to be explicitly labeled as such. buddy, we've had yellow journalism since ancient Roman gazetteers dunked on their patron's rivals
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Oct 20, 2019 05:26
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SpeakSlow posted:Journalism existed for decades without having to worry about yellow journalism in any large fashion. We need to return to the days where journalism is no longer subject to market whims and where opinion pieces need to be explicitly labeled as such. Nobody tell this poor guy about the journalistic ethics of America's first newspapers.
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Oct 20, 2019 05:28
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Reminder: our top journalism award is named for a guy whose newspapers help get US into an imperialistic war on false premises.
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How are u posted:How are you going to organize and sustain a national-scale general strike in the United States, a nation of 300+ million people that spans 3,000 miles, PJ? This is from a ways back. It would take far less people to do what Prester wants than most people would assume. It would also probably attract unwanted federal attention to the forums to frankly discuss the how of doing something like it.
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Oct 20, 2019 05:32
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Gyges posted:Nobody tell this poor guy about the journalistic ethics of America's first newspapers. It's why i used the term as it had historical context. Our problem won't be solved with either free market capitalism or balls-out socialism, is the point. This isn't centrism either, as that's just point calculated to keep the money flowing. It's a sane compromise that benefits from the best of each system without caving to the extremes.
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Oct 20, 2019 05:41
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Would you care to elaborate on this third way some more? How is your fact check going to be different than the fact checking thatd been going in since before he was elected?
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Terminal autist posted:You know why the term yellow journalism exists right? ... ps tape?
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Terminal autist posted:You know why the term yellow journalism exists right? Hogan’s Alley?
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Terminal autist posted:You know why the term yellow journalism exists right? Oh, I know this one. Originally newspapers were printed on a single sheet called, "broadsheets," literal sheets of cheap cloth, which after their use as a newspaper could be used by the impoverished to make simple clothing out of. Turn of the century Asian American trendsetter "The Yellow Kid" started cutting his so that the headlines were prominently displayed across his chest--a style that was soon adapted into what we would today recognize as slogan T-shirts.  Modern t-shirts were a relatively early example of cultural appropriation.
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SpeakSlow posted:It's why i used the term as it had historical context. Our problem won't be solved with either free market capitalism or balls-out socialism, is the point. Ok, which decades of journalism, exactly, do you think were the golden age to which me must return then? Edit: Keeping in mind that Yellow Journalism is a term that originated to describe the type of newspapers around in the late 1800s and early 1900s. Gyges fucked around with this message at 06:13 on Oct 20, 2019 |
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Oct 20, 2019 06:10
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https://twitter.com/LurkerInTheLoft/status/1185739740030615552?s=20 Because of course.
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Mystic Mongol posted:Oh, I know this one. Originally newspapers were printed on a single sheet called, "broadsheets," literal sheets of cheap cloth, which after their use as a newspaper could be used by the impoverished to make simple clothing out of. Turn of the century Asian American trendsetter "The Yellow Kid" started cutting his so that the headlines were prominently displayed across his chest--a style that was soon adapted into what we would today recognize as slogan T-shirts. Is this one of those jokes where you make up a plausible but fake story and tell it like it's real?
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Idahoant posted:Is this one of those jokes where you make up a plausible but fake story and tell it like it's real? Something vaguely like that is on the wikipedia page.
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Idahoant posted:Is this one of those jokes where you make up a plausible but fake story and tell it like it's real? Yeah, that's the Yellow Kid and everything else is fake.
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Edmund Lava posted:I’m genuinely shocked he back down from hosting the G7 at Doral. Who’s even left in the White House to explain what a terrible idea that was? I’m trying to picture someone actually strong arming him, but other recent events suggest no one he’ll listen too has the cojones. If he was strong armed, the identity of who did it is sure to leak in by Monday evening.
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Gyges posted:Ok, which decades of journalism, exactly, do you think were the golden age to which me must return then? That's why I used the term Yellow Journalism. I wanted to evoke The Gilded Age directly to draw a line between the Hearst/Pulitzer escalations and what we're seeing now. Not versed enough to bring out multiple examples of when journalism was at it's best, but if you need a target let's take the era of muckrakers, The Jungle and How The Other Half lives where journalism specifically was used to bolster worker's rights amd enact change on a wide scale.
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Oct 20, 2019 09:19
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The Glumslinger posted:Seems weird to take that large of a delegation for such a sudden trip  Turks are pissed at how erratic and disrespectful Trump has been. So, they leaked the Edrogan-Trump call to the Jordians who are going to pass it to the Democrats.
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Oct 20, 2019 09:21
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Bar Ran Dun posted:This is from a ways back. 3.5% is a small percentage, but in the US that's over 11 million people, and I question whether it will be apparent how large the numbers are when they're spread over such a large country, in so many cities and town. I live in South Korea. Half the people live in the Seoul metro area and everyone in the country can reach it in three to six hours depending on where they are. If the people want to protest in enough numbers to shut Seoul down, it's easy to do, and it can not be missed by anyone. America is just not that dense. Can we truly generate a critical mass when everyone is so spread out?
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SpeakSlow posted:That's why I used the term Yellow Journalism. I wanted to evoke The Gilded Age directly to draw a line between the Hearst/Pulitzer escalations and what we're seeing now. Those are the same era as what originated the term Yellow Journalism. It's also why I mentioned the first newspapers of the US. If anything, Yellow Journalism was more fact based and informative than the newspapers of the founders. Historically all news has been either outright propaganda or at the least highly biased towards the politics of the editors. Now we're in an era that shifting the bias more and more towards simple monetary gain. However Muckraking and social reporting like Upton Sinclair was only allowed because it sold copy, and even then it was famously curtailed when it went against the interests of the publisher. For instance, Upton Sinclair's most famous works are novels that he wrote while working for smaller, ideological, newspapers. There's a real mythology of the news where we pretend that it used to be good and unbiased and everyone got the same info. But that's just false memory of the mythologized Cronkite era. The News has always been biased and bad but sprinkled with occasional good journalism. Reform and regulation would be quite nice, but we need to approach the issue with clear eyes instead of trying to roll things back to an era that never actually existed.
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No dogs were harmed in the making of this video https://twitter.com/klara_sjo/status/1185736701131608069 https://twitter.com/ChrisMurphyCT/status/1185749012432994304 https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/status/1185741567841177602 https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/status/1185736299380117504 Lol https://twitter.com/sbg1/status/1185751359393599488  quote:"Hamilton was more concerned with noisy, flamboyant figures, who would throw dust in voters’ eyes and veil their sinister designs behind it. These connoisseurs of chaos would employ a constant barrage of verbiage to cloud issues and blur moral lines." If only she was five years older https://twitter.com/jonfavs/status/1185659401190793216 https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1185715277675319296 Trump keeps pushing them to the edge and they're going to start getting used to pushing back, and that's dangerous for him. https://twitter.com/TaraSetmayer/status/1185741532177031168
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Ice Phisherman posted:Honestly, not to me. Republicans aren't functioning and Northern Syria just got handed to the Turks, so I can imagine Jordan reaching out to the functional part of the US, even if they're lovely neolibs. Jordan is probably needing some attention and they're absolutely going to get hit with a refugee crisis. if it was just reassurance i could see one or two high ranking Dems. they could send an aide or Pelosi right? this looks like it is more than just diplomatic to me. they are trying to show everyone they're equal to Trump, maybe? i also think they're showing Trump is someone you have to go around and they're more than willing to cooperate.
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This is true, but I'm disgusted that he's going to win the senate primary on basis of his name and face. https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1185775398212124672
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Helith posted:The American system over the last 100 years has done a really good job at quashing collective action against the system. Union busting and keeping you living hand to mouth and making every day lives exhausting to navigate have really deflated the will to fight back. This is very true. Most people that should be protesting are barely holding on. The average working person is one emergency, mistake, or misfortune away from ruination. Most of the jobs at the bottom also don't offer paid days off and a lot of people can't afford to miss a day. I know when I was working in kitchens I couldn't take a day off if I was sick. If I did I wouldn't have my food money or gas money. I don't know what we do about this but we should keep it in mind that there is a large segment of the population that don't have the means. ManBoyChef fucked around with this message at 11:25 on Oct 20, 2019 |
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Gyges posted:Clear Eyes Fair enough.
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Party Plane Jones posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1185726931611852802?s=20 Yeah, I'll bet no profit. And we should believe you this time why? You've lied about everything else, literally. Including using your properties to skim taxpayer money off the government
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SocketWrench posted:Yeah, I'll bet no profit. And we should believe you this time why? You've lied about everything else, literally. Including using your properties to skim taxpayer money off the government He already gave up on this. Guess the GOP meeting at Camp David freaked out about it
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Charlz Guybon posted:This is true, but I'm disgusted that he's going to win the senate primary on basis of his name and face. Joe, let me answer your question. An infinite amount. These guys want power and money. The easiest way for them is through corruption and grift. They've always been this way, trump is just too stupid to do it quietly because he's always been able to buy his way out of trouble while the rest of the poo poo he did went unnoticed because no one cared Charlz Guybon posted:He already gave up on this. I know that
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Charlz Guybon posted:This is true, but I'm disgusted that he's going to win the senate primary on basis of his name and face. if warren ends up winning we're gonna be stuck with two poo poo senators.
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Groovelord Neato posted:if warren ends up winning we're gonna be stuck with two poo poo senators. Who's going to run for her seat if she wins? Ayanna Pressley would be good.
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https://twitter.com/SamanthaJPower/status/1185603709209894913 https://twitter.com/politico/status/1185889046846943232 https://twitter.com/HoarseWisperer/status/1185876260871954432 https://twitter.com/NewYorker/status/1185889594023301126 Isn't weakness what Republicans hate most? https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1185888392887693315
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Don't post this rear end in a top hat
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eke out posted:it's this, not only would it be an article of impeachment, there'd be public hearings, subpoenas, and the Dems would happily defund it and dare Senate republicans to not pass the budget If the Democrats don't include language for a blanket ban on any federal money of any type (even USSS spending) going to businesses owned by elected members of the executive branch they are morons.
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The thing is he wouldn't even have to lie about not being "paid", technically; part of the G7 funding is effectively a blank check for renovations and upgrades to the facility, which given the condition of his shitholes, would need to be extensive. Then he pockets the "free" stay as a massive loss and gets the tax credit anyway. Now, being Trump I'm sure he'd try and take the cash, the renovation money and the tax credit all in one, but still...
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note that not only is this a lie, but it's not even the acting secretary of defense's name https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1185907415499378690
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https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1185909817921196037?s=21 efb Also the repetition of securing the oil is real loving weird and telling. If we have no troops there who is securing the oil?!
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eke out posted:note that not only is this a lie, but it's not even the acting secretary of defense's name Esperanto  Trump so bad Kristol is making sense https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1185901027964399616
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Say what you will about the masochism of The Base but in the highly transactional world of DC politics, you can only gently caress over so many people before you find yourself on the outside looking in politically. This is essentially the contractors he's stiffed for years in his "business" only this time they have some actual power to exact revenge.
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