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I don't have problem of the death row convict s "signing up as donor" as long as his own family get some money compensation in return (this kind of things are never done officially if you know China). I do have problem with this tribunal that raised this issue right before the 70th anniversary, you know as well as I do exactly why it was picked for that timing.
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So your problem is that it was released at a time that embarrassed the CCP?
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yea I don't get the problem there specifically, I imagine at the 70th anniversary is one of the least times they'd like to be discussing if they're running some insane organ theft conspiracy
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https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/...nside-1.7994216 Goddamn I didn’t realize it was this bad
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Delthalaz posted:https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/...nside-1.7994216 People been sounding the alarm for a long while now, but tons of vile "useful idiots" like the unnamed former mod would dismiss such things as state department propaganda.
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Baronjutter posted:People been sounding the alarm for a long while now, but tons of vile "useful idiots" like the unnamed former mod would dismiss such things as state department propaganda. 
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Delthalaz posted:https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/...nside-1.7994216 Jesus Christ. China has a million people in a gulag. I remember a while ago I posted something to the effect of: when a multi-polar world emerges in which China has as much influence as the US, people will fondly remember the days of US hegemony, because US hegemony has been relatively benign in historical terms and everyone was like “lol whatever lib bootlicker”. I stand by it.
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I've heard they even snatch Uyghur babies from incubators and toss them on the ground. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Starting to think the Cultural Revolution was a warm-up round, rather than Mao trying to beat the IJA's record.
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Delthalaz posted:https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/...nside-1.7994216 I have never been more ashamed of my nationalist family members for always reliably defending the CCP. It’s not their fault that they were indoctrinated from an early age and taught away from critical thinking, but gently caress.
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Mantis42 posted:I've heard they even snatch Uyghur babies from incubators and toss them on the ground. God wouldn't you feel lovely if they actually are? lol
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sexpig by night posted:I mean, do you think someone would be reasonable to say 'you have to prove you're NOT using gitmo as a secret underground organ farm, or else you obviously are'? whatever7 posted:I don't have problem of the death row convict s "signing up as donor" Yeah, there's like no conflict of interest that could arise in a situation like that. It's also why privatization of prisons are completely unproblematic.
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Alhazred posted:Yes? You mean conflict of interest as in China sending more people to death row and therefore get more organ selling? Actually China has sent a lot less people to death row compare to 1-2 decades ago.
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whatever7 posted:You mean conflict of interest as in China sending more people to death row and therefore get more organ selling? Well, at least the official numbers from the same people running the concentration camps says that. Edit: I mean if you don't count extrajudicial murder-by-concentration-camp-guard as an execution I can see how the execution numbers would go down after dumping the undesirables into secretive concentration camps. I mean technically at that point any organs you harvest from them aren't from executed convicts, either. Warbadger fucked around with this message at 17:18 on Oct 20, 2019 |
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whatever7 posted:
First of all China keeps the use of death penalty secret, second: 
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Maybe one day westerners will wake up and realize you cannot negotiate with China in good faith, you cannot "democratize" it by being nice to it, and that our downfall is going to stem from failing to firewall it like North Korea when we had the chance - before a Chinese-American scientist defected to build their nuclear program. The past century has demonstrated succinctly that the singular goal in that nation is the global domination of the Han cultural identity by any means necessary. Forced conversion, genocide, slavery, theft, kidnapping, extortion, distribution of lethal drugs - they have no limits and we do not share an ethical or moral philosophy on which to build an equal diplomatic relationship. Any cursory look at China's actions and motivations during the past century should make it clear that Anyone who deals in good faith with an agent of this regime is in peril. It will not be reciprocated. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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Mantis42 posted:I've heard they even snatch Uyghur babies from incubators and toss them on the ground. why would you toss a perfectly good baby on the ground when you can put it in a boarding school a couple years later to teach it to be a good harmonious non-Muslim communist
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GreyjoyBastard posted:why would you toss a perfectly good baby on the ground when you can put it in a boarding school a couple years later to teach it to be a good harmonious non-Muslim communist Then turn it into a police officer who can be used as a race traitor.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:why would you toss a perfectly good baby on the ground when you can put it in a boarding school a couple years later to teach it to be a good harmonious non-Muslim communist * note: boarding school discipline may involve being repeatedly tossed to the ground from varying heights, and your family will not have proprietary rights to your body if this proves fatal.
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Alhazred posted:First of all China keeps the use of death penalty secret, second: What does that even loving mean? You can't argue like an adult online? You still haven't clarified what conflict of interest is you were referring to. I am not even sure what your point is. whatever7 fucked around with this message at 19:31 on Oct 20, 2019 |
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Ogmius815 posted:Jesus Christ. China has a million people in a gulag. I mean, I can think of a lot of people, especially in the Asian world, who won't but hey
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Rime posted:Maybe one day westerners will wake up and realize you cannot negotiate with China in good faith, you cannot "democratize" it by being nice to it, and that our downfall is going to stem from failing to firewall it like North Korea when we had the chance - before a Chinese-American scientist defected to build their nuclear program. The past century has demonstrated succinctly that the singular goal in that nation is the global domination of the Han cultural identity by any means necessary. Forced conversion, genocide, slavery, theft, kidnapping, extortion, distribution of lethal drugs - they have no limits and we do not share an ethical or moral philosophy on which to build an equal diplomatic relationship. I’m curious where you got these ideas. I despise the CCP, but it still sounds like you are overreaching with statements like “the singular goal in that nation is the global domination of the Han cultural identity by any means necessary.” That language has more in common with overly simplistic yellow peril fearmongering than serious analysis of international relations and the complex situation within China. Have you actually spent time in China or spoken to any mainland Chinese people to form these views? The country is more than the party, and while the CCP is broadly popular, support for them is in many ways conditional and nuanced. Their continued hold on power has much more to do with the fact that they have suppressed all possible alternatives than any suggestion that they have eliminated domestic dissent. Don’t forget that they spend significantly more money on internal security than they do on their military. It sounds more like you are listening to sensationalist pundits that are taking some of the CCP’s nationalist propaganda and stated ambitions as facts and realistic predictions of the future. My personal perception of the CCP is that they have created an incredibly corrupt and paranoid organization prone to overreacting to real and imagined threats to their domestic political control. They appear to have increasingly little awareness or concern about the negative consequences or backlash that follow from their actions and seemingly low capability to sacrifice their short-term kleptocratic and political interests for what they have self-admittedly described as necessary long-term institutional and economic reforms. The party does not at all strike me as a monomaniacal and monolithic entity potentially threatening the west’s “downfall”. China suffers from so many different problems on so many different fronts that even in an increasingly multipolar world, I don’t expect them to surpass the US in geopolitical influence within my lifetime.
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Snipee posted:I’m curious where you got these ideas. I despise the CCP, but it still sounds like you are overreaching with statements like “the singular goal in that nation is the global domination of the Han cultural identity by any means necessary.” That language has more in common with overly simplistic yellow peril fearmongering than serious analysis of international relations and the complex situation within China. Have you actually spent time in China or spoken to any mainland Chinese people to form these views? The country is more than the party, and while the CCP is broadly popular, support for them is in many ways conditional and nuanced. Their continued hold on power has much more to do with the fact that they have suppressed all possible alternatives than any suggestion that they have eliminated domestic dissent. Don’t forget that they spend significantly more money on internal security than they do on their military. It sounds more like you are listening to sensationalist pundits that are taking some of the CCP’s nationalist propaganda and stated ambitions as facts and realistic predictions of the future. A look through Rime's rap sheet reveals that extreme pessimism and anti-Asian racism are Rime's two shticks, so this isn't surprising. I tend to agree with Snipee's analysis here. The CCP obviously isn't going to collapse tomorrow, but it has important weaknesses. Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 01:21 on Oct 21, 2019 |
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There is no sane position that starts with "Maybe MacArthur was right". From the position of whats best for the Chinese people, starting off from that position is just going to make educated middle class Chinese people defend their government more, like what's happening with Iran.
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In hindsight I could have phrased that more tactfully and much less rhetorically, and should not be posting on my fourth day of fighting strep. What is done is done. Pointing to my history of being hounded by the forums now-banned one true defender of this regime definitely is meh.
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[quote="Rime" post=""499310049"]Pointing to my history of being hounded by the forums now-banned one true defender of this regime definitely is meh. [/quote] R. Guyovich isn’t the one who probated you for posting about “Chinese parasites” and “squinty-eyed motherfuckers.”
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Really? I distinctly recall Guyovich being responsible but I can't check my rap sheet on mobile. 
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On the mobile app you tap the user’s name to open that context menu then tap “rap sheet” which is how I can verify that, no, it wasn’t guy who dinged you for writing “Chinese parasites” wtf
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Huh, nifty. I thought Guyovich and I had a spat way back, I guess not. Anyways if you want to use four year old probations as an easy out when discussing a totalitarian surveillance state currently engaged in multiple genocides, that's on you.
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Rime posted:Huh, nifty. I thought Guyovich and I had a spat way back, I guess not. Anyways if you want to use four year old probations as an easy out when discussing a totalitarian surveillance state currently engaged in multiple genocides, that's on you. This is some really lovely doubling down and psuedo-whataboutism.
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Rime posted:Huh, nifty. I thought Guyovich and I had a spat way back, I guess not. Anyways if you want to use four year old probations as an easy out when discussing a totalitarian surveillance state currently engaged in multiple genocides, that's on you. I agree that the Chinese government is, in fact, very bad! But your post was rather...sweeping. There are a few places where you seemed to elide the difference between the Chinese government and the Chinese people: "the singular goal in that country" instead of "the singular goal of that country," and noting that Qian Xuesen was "a Chinese-American scientist" (not true, by the way, as he was never naturalized) and thus perhaps suggesting that even ethnically Chinese people outside of China should be distrusted. And talking about "the past century" as though the Chinese government has been the same for that whole period (it's been only 70 years since the CCP took over!) is silly. But maybe I was reading too much into the post.
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Silver2195 posted:I agree that the Chinese government is, in fact, very bad! But your post was rather...sweeping. There are a few places where you seemed to elide the difference between the Chinese government and the Chinese people: "the singular goal in that country" instead of "the singular goal of that country," and noting that Qian Xuesen was "a Chinese-American scientist" (not true, by the way, as he was never naturalized) and thus perhaps suggesting that even ethnically Chinese people outside of China should be distrusted. And talking about "the past century" as though the Chinese government has been the same for that whole period (it's been only 70 years since the CCP took over!) is silly. But maybe I was reading too much into the post. I agree, it was a lovely badly written post and I should refrain from posting when running a fever.
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Yeah I had a case of that fever that gives you really lovely opinions last week, too. It's really going around this year.
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Sorry guys, I'm basically the Typhoid Mary of shitposts.
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Rime posted:Maybe one day westerners will wake up and realize you cannot negotiate with China in good faith, you cannot "democratize" it by being nice to it, and that our downfall is going to stem from failing to firewall it like North Korea when we had the chance - before a Chinese-American scientist defected to build their nuclear program. The past century has demonstrated succinctly that the singular goal in that nation is the global domination of the Han cultural identity by any means necessary. Forced conversion, genocide, slavery, theft, kidnapping, extortion, distribution of lethal drugs - they have no limits and we do not share an ethical or moral philosophy on which to build an equal diplomatic relationship. you probably don't remember me but I met you at Helen's in Tianjin near Wujiayaodajie in August 2010. I had no idea you were a goon, did it ever work out with your wife and are you back in Melbourne now?
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They Probated Him for Telling the Truth
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The Great Autismo! posted:you probably don't remember me but I met you at Helen's in Tianjin near Wujiayaodajie in August 2010. I had no idea you were a goon, did it ever work out with your wife and are you back in Melbourne now? I hope she wasn't a squinty eyed motherfucker. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Silver2195 posted:I agree that the Chinese government is, in fact, very bad! But your post was rather...sweeping. There are a few places where you seemed to elide the difference between the Chinese government and the Chinese people: "the singular goal in that country" instead of "the singular goal of that country," and noting that Qian Xuesen was "a Chinese-American scientist" (not true, by the way, as he was never naturalized) and thus perhaps suggesting that even ethnically Chinese people outside of China should be distrusted. And talking about "the past century" as though the Chinese government has been the same for that whole period (it's been only 70 years since the CCP took over!) is silly. But maybe I was reading too much into the post.
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