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Jose posted:drat they haven't even brought in that insane working with foreign governments law and a tory MP is breaking it Also maybe PiS aren't too worried seeing as they were just reelected, but Poles abroad do vote and a no deal Brexit doesn't seem great for the million or so Poles living in the UK.
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kingturnip posted:Powell's "OH MAH GAWD" on hearing the exit poll works well alongside Kinnock's slack-jawed bufuddlement. Watch this one from about 25 seconds in. There is not one iota of happiness in his face. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhxkHWMe310 Has anyone got a link to that one set to Hall of the Mountain King? Tried google to no avail.
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Steve2911 posted:I refuse to believe that any of them genuinely have faith in him. It's all part of the mask keeping them in power. I mean that depends what they want him to do, because they don't really need him to do anything other than lots of racism and culture war bullshit while letting them continue lining their pockets. Tories don't want to govern, they just want to be in government and get rich.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Watch this one from about 25 seconds in. There is not one iota of happiness in his face. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzuKaTuk_lw
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big scary monsters posted:Speaking the same language is obviously a good start but I feel like there's more to diplomacy than just that? I've been asking the Germans for 1 vote to veto the extention, they offered 9
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OwlFancier posted:I have never watched downton abbey because I feel if I did I would wake up in a ditch somewhere covered in blood and screaming. Downton Abbey had the only Irish character tearfully apologize to the main character lords for the Irish ransacking their relatives' estate in Ireland during the war for independence. The show is a loving ride of class and imperial propaganda. On US TV it also kicked off a new standard pre-2016 of openly endorsing aristocracy and dynastic rule when it was at least not kosher to do so as openly for a few decades before, and now all the Downton fans love the Victoria show and think she was a #woke slay kween.
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https://twitter.com/HarryYorke1/status/1186031020660928512 lol double-crossing the DUP is really gonna bite him in the arse, isn't it.
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The only exposure I've really had to the show owing to not watching television is the radio adverts for the movie, which as I recall was almost... parody like, just clips of people saying "oooo what about the cooking, and the cleaning, ooo deary me the king and queen are coming to stay oh however shall I manage oooo" interspersed with posh people voices going "well ratherrrrr oh I say what what" It's like a flat out piss take of your granny, if your granny was less republican than my granny at least.
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There has been some great and visceral writing on the subject of the American Plantation tour industry and how they are now sanitised monuments to a time within living memory, and Downton Abbey has a similar effect (though the horrors of the antebellum south are obviously far and away worse).
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I don't know if the general theme of inbred aristos running everything like morons is something you can memorialise while parliament tv is right there 
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OwlFancier posted:I don't know if the general theme of inbred aristos running everything like morons is something you can memorialise while parliament tv is right there https://twitter.com/jongaunt/status/804253125804691456?s=21
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Peaky Blinders, now there's good entertainment. Reminds me of The Sopranos sometimes. Just started on season 2.
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No I mean you can't memorialize it when it's clearly how things still work
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Total Meatlove posted:There has been some great and visceral writing on the subject of the American Plantation tour industry and how they are now sanitised monuments to a time within living memory, and Downton Abbey has a similar effect (though the horrors of the antebellum south are obviously far and away worse). I watched the whole goddamned series (wife is a fan) hoping desperately that they’d get to 1929 and the family losing everything in the Great Depression. And no joy. To be fair though I’ve radicalised her a lot since then..
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OwlFancier posted:No I mean you can't memorialize it when it's clearly how things still work Tbh I found the poll and the optimism of it meant I was going to post it anyway I
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All TV is poo poo, except Simpsons s2-s8.
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And I don't even OWN a TV
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Ratjaculation posted:And I don't even OWN a TV Commentariat, probably Toby Young.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Commentariat, probably Toby Young. BUT! Is it from the Spectator, the Telegraph, the Mail, or Quillette?
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Commentariat, probably Toby Young. mehall posted:BUT! As you lot have gotten better at this I’ve had no choice but to start asking harder questions.
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Breakfast All Day posted:Downton Abbey had the only Irish character tearfully apologize to the main character lords for the Irish ransacking their relatives' estate in Ireland during the war for independence. The show is a loving ride of class and imperial propaganda. It's a Julian Fellowes work, isn't it? How could it be anything else? I haven't seen any Downton, but I watched the awful dramatisation of the Titanic sinking he wrote for the centenary. Where the Third Class passengers just sat on their suitcases in the stairwells and drowned as the water rose, because (apparently) they were but simple working class people, Irish folk and foreigners and without orders from their social betters they lacked the agency or self-actualisation to do anything else. And that's not me drawing an exageration interpretation from some flawed bit of plotting or a loophole in the dramatisation - that's literally what was stated as 'history'. I mean, at least it was a new and different sort of guff from the 'they were locked behind gates and drowned like rats' version but it was still guff and it's incredible that someone in the 21st century could actually conceive of it. Literally "poors will stand still and drown unless given clear and simple orders to the contrary". Arsehole and a laughable excuse for a historian.
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Looking up Fellowes led me down a wiki hole through which I discovered that Mengistu is still alive 
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ImpAtom posted:Sorry to ask but is there any good summary of what the gently caress is going on with Brexit these days? I tried researching myself and I get so much conflicting information that I'm not sure what to believe. I admit I'm a little lost on what exactly is going on at this point beyond "everything is stupid." I'll try to create a "Brexit explained" post. I'll start at the beginning. The Referendum June 2016 we had a referendum. The two options were to leave the EU (with no specifics given as to how) or remain in the EU. We voted to leave 52% to 48% in the most highly represented vote of the public ever. The vote wasn't legally binding in any way, but the Conservative majority government at the time promised they'd respect the vote and that this was a once in a generation opportunity. Both campaigns were heavily criticised for breaking campaigning rules, with leave making egregious statements that were later falsified and remain using excessive amounts of public money to send leaflets through everyone's door. As this vote wasn't legally binding, there was no consequence for any potential infractions of campaign laws. While the ultimate result was determined by a sum of all the votes in the UK, votes were released on a constituency by constituency basis, allowing for all to see how each area voted. Scotland's constituencies mainly voted overwhelmingly to Remain in the EU. There are various constituencies elsewhere that show a strong Leave or Remain bias, and this has sometimes put pressure on the representative for that area to act in accordance with how their constituents voted. David Cameron decided to resign as Prime Minister in July of 2016, landing Theresa May with the problem he created. Article 50 In December 2016 Parliament voted overwhelmingly to trigger article 50. This is the EU legal procedure that allows member states to leave. In March 2017, after some legal wankery, we finally submitted Article 50 to Donald Tusk: the president of the EU council. Doing this created a mutual agreement that we would leave in two years from the day after article 50 is submitted. The date was thus set for March 29th 2019. The Composition of Parliament - Theresa Fuc'DUP In April 2017, Theresa May held a general election. This wasn't required, but this parliamentary term would have ended in 2019 in the middle of brexit proceedings and that wouldn't have been a good look. In this election the Conservatives lost their majority, winning only 317 of the 326 seats needed. The Conservatives under Theresa May entered into a coalition with a party called the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) to bring the DUP's 10 seats into a working majority in the house of commons. The Conservatives are a party with the interests of "business" at heart. They are a party which generally seek to lower taxes, impose austerity, bow to corporate interests and generally push anti immigration, pro tough law stances due to regressive attitudes they help propagate in this country. I apologise if my bias is showing however it is my sincerely held belief that their 9 years in power has been nothing short of an atrocity. Another point to mention is that the Conservatives are strongly opposed to any efforts that would cause UK states to leave the UK, such as Scottish independence, Welsh independence or Irish reunification. The DUP are a Northern Irish party who focus entirely on keeping Northern Ireland inside of the United Kingdom and having Northern Ireland treated as much as possible on par with the mainland UK in terms of its status and rights. The Labour party are a party with close ties to the workers unions in this country. In 2015 the party voted Jeremy Corbyn as their leader and the party has emphasised strong socialist sentiments since. After the 2017 election Labour held 262 seats. The Labour Party and the Conservative party both went into the 2017 election campaign promising to exit from the EU. Labour promised to stay inside of the customs union (meaning we wouldn't need to pay EU tariffs, duties, etc as we'd be upholding that standard) and noted that the EU sentiment was that this would require the UK to uphold freedom of movement. The Labour campaign spun this as being a deal that would protect jobs and protect the rights of EU citizens living in the UK. The Conservatives campaigned on no freedom of movement because immigration coming in from the EU is an issue for the political right in this country. The third largest party, the Scottish Nationalist Party, are a Scottish party interested in having Scotland leave the United Kingdom while simultaneously having Scotland remain in the EU. They're generally progressive on social issues, although if I let that go unchallenged I'm sure someone in this thread would point out that some of their Scottish Parliament members dissent from the progressive party line on the issue of trans rights. While the SNP lost 21 seats in this election, it still left the election with 56 seats. This is more than enough seats to make a substantial difference in a process which, at times, has been decided by a single vote. The Liberal Democrats are a party of liberal centrists. As Liberals in the fiscal as well as social sense, they revile Corbyn's socialist Labour and often speak out against his leadership specifically. The Lib Dems advertise a lot of woke progressive ideas, and were once the third largest party. Their vote share tanked in a 2015 election due to the fact they entered into coalition with the Conservatives in 2011, thereby selling out their liberally won votes to a right wing government in a betrayal that future voters may unfortunately forget and relive. In the 2017 election they came out with 12 seats. 2018 Theresa May negotiated with the EU27 and eventually the 27 EU leaders settled on a Withdrawal Agreement. During this lengthy period, Boris Johnson resigned as foreign secretary in order to scream "Brexit Harder!" from the back benches as he found the apparent terms of the Withdrawal Agreement to be a "surrender". Some time in November the Withdrawal Agreement was published in full for all to look on in horror, after which Dominic Raab immediately resigned his position as secretary for Withdrawal from the EU. The Deal contains this -We leave the EU parliament but are still subject to its directives on a temporary basis. It's a two year "transitional period" before we figure out a new arrangement. -We uphold customs and border arrangements during the "transitional period" so that Northern Ireland doesn't have to worry about its land border. A vote to approve this deal was scheduled for December 10th but Theresa May bottled it and put it off to January 15th. The Ireland Issue 101 KustomKarKommando has noted some important errors made in this Ireland 101 section of my post post. Here is a link to his post: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3900042&pagenumber=199&perpage=40#post499316296 In the 1600s The Scottish and English (who would merge into the United Kingdom by the end of the 1600s ) colonised Ireland, starting bloody wars that would ultimately cement British rule and ownership of Ireland. In the early 20th century Ireland elected several members of a party who sought to gain more Irish control over politics in Ireland (the IPP) into the house of commons. Their disruptive politics began to draw sentiments toward Ireland’s self governance in the house of commons, and this was met with a reaction: the formation of paramilitary group from Irish counties in the North of Ireland who wanted to keep Ireland British. They were called the Ulster Unionists. Britain conscripted from Ireland in order to provide soldiers for its varied war efforts. This did nothing to help the resentment, and even managed to create armed units of angry supporters of Irish independence who wanted to form an Irish republic. Some of these units engaged in conflicts with the Ulster Unionist paramilitaries. The republicans eventually launched their rebellion in Dublin in 1916. They were brutally crushed by a hugely disproportionate response from Britain. Britain’s brutality in this matter would prove to be its downfall, as it saw support for the cause of independence skyrocket. The overwhelming success of the Irish repblican party Sinn Fein in subsequent elections combined with increasing numbers for the new Irish Republican Army had the Irish form their own parliament and force the British to respect it. This was the Irish war of Independence. In the counties that now form Northern Ireland, however, Sinn Fein fared poorly and instead the Unionists garnered huge support. The unionist counties did not want to be represented by Sinn Fein’s parliament. In the 1920s, as a result of this war, Britain drew a line between the unionist counties and the republican counties with the republican counties forming one region and the unionist counties forming another. The republican counties gained independence and became a "Free Ireland", its own nation state, while the unionist counties remained in the UK but now had a devolved parliament. With Ireland divided, hostilities did not die down. The new Free Ireland set out in its own constitution that its land stretches across the whole island and doesn't stop at the Northern Ireland border. In the unionist counties, protests and violence frequently broke out from groups claiming oppression against the Irish Catholics in the Unionist regions. The British security forces did come down hard on these movements. The Unionists, however, felt the Catholic protests were a front for republicans who sought to bring the Unionist counties into the Free Ireland. This saw violence between the Unionists and the Republicans as well as British authorities. From the 60s through to the 90s this violent conflict escalated until various Republican and Unionist paramilitaries as well as the British Security forces were all engaged in an unconventional war. Occasional terrorist acts, hunger strikes and UK security force led massacres were perpetrated here and there. For people living in the border region the violence was a daily occurrence. As time grew on, all sides of the conflict grew weary of war. Ceasefires were becoming more common and activist groups seeking to find a peace were becoming more popular. On Good Friday in 1998 representatives of republican paramilitary groups, unionist paramilitaries, the Irish government and the UK government made their peace agreement. Among the various conditions of the agreement were: (obviously disarmament and to end the violence) Amendment of the Republic of Ireland's constitution to recognise Northern Ireland as outside of the republic. No border between Northern and Southern Ireland, including the removal of checkpoints and other such installations. As members of the EU, Ireland and Britain share open borders anyway and keeping this treaty is easy… ...as members of the EU. Brexit threatens to place a border between these two nations and impinge on the agreement. The Democratic Unionist Party is an evolution of the Ulster Unionist party of old and seeks to keep Northern Ireland British. There is a perceived threat that Northern Ireland might itself seek to reunify if the effects of brexit and a border somewhere with Ireland bring economic harm. After all, reunification would allow Northern Ireland to be a part of the EU and to have no border with the rest of Ireland. On the Republic side, the Republic has had absolutely no say in brexit but would be harmed by a border between the republic and its closest neighbors. This is particularly the case in agriculture where several farms span the border itself and where various products such as popular brands of Irish Liqueur rely on perishable materials crossing the border several times and in good time. In the fears of how much the republic could be hurt by a process it had no say in, brexit is reigniting the resentment between the republicans and those who kept Northern Ireland in Britain. In short: Northern Ireland and the DUP doesn't want a customs or persons border that'd separate Northern Ireland from the UK mainland, particularly as this would encourage reunification. The peace treaty forbids a border between Northern and Southern Ireland. Even if it didn't, the republic doesn't want it and the EU is willing to back them up on that. Withdrawal from the EU without a customs agreement and free movement would require a border somewhere between the UK and EU states including the Republic of Ireland. The solutions for this problem in Theresa May's deal, known as the Northern Ireland Backstop, were to keep things as they are for now until a solution can be reached that is mutually agreed upon by the UK and the EU. For a lot of people in the government this was simply not good enough. We're either bound to the EU's current arrangement forever, or we're risking creating that dangerous border, and both of those things suck. To show my bias again: the Labour party solution to this problem is to have a customs union and freedom of movement with the EU. Here we loving go - Brexit 2019 January 15th, Theresa May had her first attempt at getting this deal through. Her defeat, 432 to 202, was the biggest defeat margin in modern UK parliamentary history. All DUP members present voted against this motion as it offered no clarity on what happens to Northern Ireland after the transitional period. All SNP members present voted against it, because Scotland voted overwhelmingly to remain and they do not want to be "dragged out of Europe". 248 Labour MPs voted against it. The big thing to mention is the 118 Conservatives opposed to their own government's deal. Some of them were concerned about Ireland, some of them simply thought it was a "bad deal" but others had a more sinister purpose... In the coming weeks after this crippling defeat Theresa May gave a series of statements to the house about progress on the brexit negotiations. It's procedure that parliament is asked to vote on whether they agree "that this house has considered the statement" given by the prime minister. As it turns out the statement is subject to amendments. An amendment calling for the Prime Minister to renegotiate the Northern Ireland terms was approved with DUP support. An amendment putting it on the record that parliament wishes to avoid a No-Deal brexit also passed although was opposed by the DUP and Conservatives. One such statement failed to pass its vote because a certain group of Conservative members abstained. These are the sinister ones. These are the European Research Group (ERG) sometimes called the Spartans. They abstained from voting on their Prime Minister's statement as it appeared to rule out leaving the EU with no deal. The ERG began to enter the public view at this point, and are speculated to be a group of disaster capitalists set to use a catastrophic No Deal brexit for their own financial gain while posturing themselves as true brexiteers unwilling to "surrender" to EU pressure. Members of this group frequently spoke in parliament in favour of a no deal brexit. It was during these statements that the attorney general Geoffrey Cox sought to assure members of the house on the Northern Ireland situation giving technical legal assurances he described as his "codpiece". Theresa May also visted the EU leaders to try and seek some revisions to the Northern Ireland backstop. March 12th Theresa May, her vocal chords audibly injured from long negotiations in the previous days, had her second attempt at getting her deal through. This time Cox's Codpiece was in place. Amendments to statements now required that if this vote fails then on the following day they would vote on whether to approve a No Deal brexit. Perhaps the threat of crashing out of the EU with No Deal and some legal assurances would work? No, Theresa May lost the vote 391 to 242. The DUP members present opposed the deal. Gains were largely made from the Conservative benches. March 13th During a vote on whether to allow a No Deal brexit, an amendment was made replacing the motion with one to categorically rule out no deal happening on the 29th. It passed 321 to 278. March 14th The government was required by the previous days amendments to forward a motion on whether it was to extend the brexit deadline past the 29th of March. This passed 412-202 with every amendment to it either failing or being withdrawn. It forced Theresa May to go to the EU27 council on the 21st and 22nd to seek an extension from the EU. March 18th The government tried to put forward the Withdrawal Agreement for a third time, which if passed would have seen Theresa May avoid the requirement to seek an extension. The Speaker of the house, John Bercow, blocked this stating that he would not have another vote on a motion that is "substantially the same" as one voted on before. March 20th Theresa May gave an absolute stinker of a public speech that sought to frame parliament as being against the will of the people. March 21-22 Theresa May negotiated an extension as required by parliament's votes. The extension would last up until 12th of April, with the option to extend to the 22nd of May if and only if a deal is agreed by the 29th of March. This was due to the EU parliament elections that took place this year. The EU needed confirmation of the UK’s intention to participate in these elections by the 12th of April else we would not be able to participate. You cannot be a member of the EU without participating in the EU elections and failing to do this would cause us to leave the EU by default. The later date of the 22nd of May was conditional on securing a deal as securing the deal would have meant we were going to leave the EU and not participate in the elections. It would have allowed us to be in the EU up to the date of the new EU parliament rather than up to the date of needing to declare our intention to participate in the EU elections. March 25th Theresa May put forward yet another (amendable) statement in relation to the withdrawal agreement. Ordinarily the government ministers have control over exactly what the UK parliament discusses in its business. Oliver Letwin, a Conservative MP, amended the statement to replace it with a motion allowing non ministers to gain priority over Parliament's discussions on March 27th. This gave the speaker the ability to choose any motion put forward relating to brexit regardless of which MPs it came from, instead of giving the government ministers priority over what is discussed on any given day. March 27th MPs not part of the government used this rare chance for control over parliament's discussion to hold a series of nonbinding votes to see if there is any way forward that would command a majority of the house. Members were each given a ballot paper with 8 options and could vote for, against or abstain from any number of those options. Of the 8 options selected for these votes, none secured a majority, but a customs union and a second referendum on May's deal came short 6 and 27 votes respectively. Following the indicative votes, parliament voted again to take control over parliamentary discussion on the 1st of April and the 3rd of April in order to hold another set of these indicative votes with the less popular options removed from the voting paper. March 29th Leave protests gathered outside of Westminster, as this was the leave date first promised when article 50 was enacted. Theresa May had a third attempt at putting her deal through, which John Bercow allowed on the basis that this would come with an extension to the 22nd of May in order to give more time for the deal to be properly implemented. This vote failed 344 to 286, meaning there would be no deal secured before March 29th and the leave date was pushed to April 12th as agreed by Europe. April 1st MPs again used their control over parliament's order of business to hold nonbinding votes on potential ways forward. Of the four options selected none gained a majority. Holding a second referendum on Mays deal and leaving with a customs union came short 12 votes and 3 votes respectively. April 3-8 MPs involved in Oliver Letwin's process had hoped to use their control of parliament's business on April 3rd to bring into law any options from the votes which commanded a majority. As none of them did they instead began to push through a bill known as the Cooper-Letwin bill. Once made into an act of Law would allow the commons to vote on whether to require Theresa May to seek a further extension from the EU27. This bill passed its first reading 313 to 312 by one vote. Over the next few days the commons and the Lords would push this bill through parliament at breakneck speed until finally it was enacted. It meant a vote in the house of commons, if passed, would require Theresa May to seek an extension to the 30th of June. April 9th The vote required by the Cooper Letwin bill passed 420 to 110. A total of 131 Conservatives voted to force their PM to seek this extension. April 10th Theresa May was sent back to the EU27 to negotiate a new extension. They rejected the 30th of June in favour of an offer for the 31st of October which Theresa May was ultimately required to accept. This extension requires the UK to participate in EU elections, something which Theresa May had already prepared for earlier that month. This extension states that if a deal is negotiated before the 31st of October then the brexit date can be moved ahead to the first day of the following month. With it being the 20th of October today this point is moot. In the following weeks Jeremy Corbyn and Theresa May attempted to negotiate alterations to the withdrawal agreement that could break the deadlock. The exact substance of these negotiations has only been speculated but what is known is that they broke down by the 17th of May. May 23rd European elections were held in the UK. The Conservative party performed terribly, and Labour also performed disappointingly. The newly formed Brexit Party, who campaigned on a no deal brexit and anti immigration stance took the largest portion of MEPs and the largest vote share, 29 and 31.6% respectively. The Liberal democrats, who campaigned on "STOP BREXIT" and revoking article 50 took the second largest number of MEPs and the second largest vote share with 16 and 20.3% respectively. May 24th After being at a complete impasse with parliament for at least 4 months, Theresa May announced her intention to step down as leader of the Conservative party in a speech where she was brought to tears presumably by her loss of personal power. It's worth noting that the results of the EU elections weren't available until the 27th, so this was not a result of her performance there. Boris Johnson's time Throughout most of June all the way until July 23rd the Conservative party was going through the process of electing its new leader. Throughout this campaign it was a foregone conclusion that the winner would turn out to be Boris Johnson. A notable mention is given here to Rory Stewart whose unsuccessful bid put some much needed levity on the whole process of selecting the catastrophic former Mayor of London and unashamed Spartan to be the country's new Prime Minister. During the election process, other parties had time to consider possible options to avoid a No Deal brexit. Sensing that Boris' leadership was a foregone conclusion and that he is not above using underhanded techniques to achieve his campaign promise of "Leaving on October 31st with or without a deal" the remainers began to plot exactly how to stop the Spartans from winning the day. Following Boris' victory in the leadership campaign notions of a "caretaker government" truly gained traction. When a vote of no confidence is passed in the current government there is a 14 day window in which the current members of parliament can attempt to form a new government with their existing members by means of forming an absolute majority using the current MPs. This prevents a general election being held as a government commanding the confidence of the house has formed without requiring an election. At various times Labour MPs, Conservative rebels, the SNP, even the DUP and a few others have stated and withdrawn their support for a caretaker government under Jeremy Corbyn's leadership. This would purely serve to keep Boris away from the controls and prevent him forcing us out of the EU without a deal. The Lib Dem leader, however, has consistently stated her opposition to Jeremy Corbyn leading this caretaker government. Through a number of MPs quitting their party and joining other parties during this long process, the Lib Dems have gained 6 MPs and currently stand at 18 MPs. All projections, though mainly guesswork, have shown that a Corbyn caretaker government would not be able to form. Some projections suggest it is the Lib Dem votes that would make the difference. Boris Johnson has the power to request the queen to prorogue parliament. The queen acts on the advice of the Prime Minister. Prorogation ends one parliamentary session and allows for another to be opened with a queens speech. Parliament does not sit or hold discussions while closed. This allows parliament a break between the completion of different legislative agendas which usually lasts for one week. Boris sought to prorogue parliament for five weeks, although this time did contain a three week break which parties use every year to hold their party conferences. The Conservatives tried to argue that this was a normal prorogation, though their opponents saw this as an attempt to stifle any measures that would prevent a no deal brexit by simply disallowing parliament to sit. September 4th Labour MP Hilary Benn put forward a bill that, when passed, requires the prime minister seek an extension on the date of brexit if the house of commons does not "give consent to" (by means of a vote) a withdrawal agreement or does not "give consent to" (by means of a vote) leaving without a deal by October 19th. The act itself requires that a specifically worded letter contained in the act itself is sent by 11PM GMT on October 19th if parliament has not consented to a withdrawal agreement or leaving with no deal. This extension would be scheduled for the 31st of January 2020, but if the EU council proposes another date this is to be put to a vote in the house of commons. If the EU agrees the 31st of January then this is to be accepted automatically. On September 4th Boris Johnson also brought forward a vote on whether to hold a general election on October 15th. This vote failed as a vote on a general election requires two thirds of all MPs (not just those present, but all MPs) to support the bill. 298 MPs voted for the election but 434 votes are required to trigger this process. The labour party, though in opposition to the government, reject this General election as they fear that dissolving parliament may interfere with the Benn act and bring about a default to a No Deal brexit. September 5-9 Much like the Cooper-Letwin bill, the Benn bill was pushed through parliament at breakneck speed and brought into law on September 9th. Boris Johnson has referred to this act as the "surrender act" stating that it hurts the UK's chances of negotiating a better deal with the EU. September 10th A prorogation scheduled to last 5 weeks came into effect. While many were calling on the speaker John Bercow to protest this by exploiting a technicality in the rules (parliament cannot be prorogued for as long as the speaker stays in their chair) Bercow complied with the prorogation, though not before giving a speech in which he stated "this is not a normal prorogation... ...It is not typical. It is not standard. It’s one of the longest for decades and it represents, not just in the minds of many colleagues, but huge numbers of people outside, an act of executive fiat." This was the same day in which John Bercow announced his intentions to leave the position of speaker of the house at the end of October 31st, turning the spirit of the day away from hostilities and toward being a love-in for the speaker who has served in this role for over 10 years. September 12th MPs applied a case to the UK courts asking for the courts to sign the extension letter in the Benn act if Boris Johnson fails to do so himself. September 24th After a lengthy legal process, the UK supreme court ruled that Boris Johnson was unlawful in advising the queen to suspend/prorogue parliament. Parliament begins sitting the next day. October 4th Government sent assurances to the courts that Boris Johnson will sign the letter in the Benn act in the event that parliament does not consent to a withdrawal agreement or leaving with no deal. October 9th The courts delayed their decision on whether to sign the extension letter to October 21st where they will sit to decide on these matters depending on the circumstances at the time. October 17th The EU27 approved a modified form of May's deal with slightly different terms on Northern Ireland. October 19th Boris put the deal approved on the 17th to a vote on parliament. Parliament voted 322 to 306 in favour of amending this motion, effectively replacing it with one stating that parliament "witholds approval" of this deal (for the purposes of the Benn act). Boris is then legally bound to send the letter in the Benn act to the EU requesting an extension. Boris sent this letter but refuses to sign it, instead sending it alongside another letter stating that he does not wish to be offered an extension. Donald Tusk has stated that he has received this letter. Azza Bamboo fucked around with this message at 16:54 on Oct 21, 2019 |
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Oct 21, 2019 00:51
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Azza Bamboo posted:I'll try to create a "Brexit explained" post. I'll start at the beginning. This is the longest post I’ve seen in my 20 years on this stupid forum.
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Oct 21, 2019 01:07
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Ratjaculation posted:All TV is poo poo, except Simpsons s2-s8. I watched TV for the first time in a while, and in Northern Ireland, and I was taken aback by an Amazon advert which was like "come and visit our warehouses! We don't mistreat our workers!  "
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Oct 21, 2019 01:14
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Jealous Cow posted:This is the longest post I’ve seen in my 20 years on this stupid forum. It's three years long, should never have existed, and distracts from more important discussions such as austerity and wealth inequality.
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Oct 21, 2019 01:15
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Camrath posted:I watched the whole goddamned series (wife is a fan) hoping desperately that they’d get to 1929 and the family losing everything in the Great Depression. And no joy. Sorry brother, you haven't seen the whole series then, Canadian Netflix at least got a new season a couple weeks ago...and, uh, dreams come true?
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Oct 21, 2019 01:24
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They should do a spinoff set in russia right before the revolution.
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Oct 21, 2019 01:25
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While I'm sure there's probably more happening on the EU side than that, I like how the post basically gives the impression that the EU just watching the whole circus from the sideline and commenting at times, best summed up in the line "Donald Tusk has stated that he has received this letter. "
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Oct 21, 2019 01:27
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painted into a coroner posted:I watched TV for the first time in a while, and in Northern Ireland, and I was taken aback by an Amazon advert which was like "come and visit our warehouses! We don't mistreat our workers! They say this and yet an Amazon worker died of a heart attack and was on the ground for 20 minutes before anyone noticed.
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Oct 21, 2019 01:29
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I'm someone who follows UK parliament quite closely but hasn't really pried into the EU. I know where to look for information on our votes and our political wranglings but wouldn't quite know where to start on finding out how the EU has operated their end of the bargain. I agree that it'd be interesting to try and shine a light on the EU and EU27 end of these talks. I know that Leo Varadkar is receptive to new trade options (why wouldn't he be) and that Macron feels some kind of obligation to look as though he's trying to go hard on the UK. There's also been times where Farage has tried to go above the heads of the UK and convince the EU leaders to veto these discussions.
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Oct 21, 2019 01:33
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Should someone do something? Y/N
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Oct 21, 2019 01:40
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Azza Bamboo posted:I'll try to create a "Brexit explained" post. I'll start at the beginning. Good job Azza Bamboo.  Jealous Cow posted:This is the longest post I’ve seen in my 20 years on this stupid forum. To understand Brexit, you've got to grasp the full stupidity in context, and the chain of events that's led to where we are currently. The bad decisions and quirks of fate resulting in this absolute ongoing clusterfuck.
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Oct 21, 2019 01:40
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Jealous Cow posted:This is the longest post I’ve seen in my 20 years on this stupid forum. Someone never saw the Steam thread OP from a few years back.
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Oct 21, 2019 01:42
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Azza, you should probably post a link to that post (though probably not the whole thing) in the USPOL thread, since that’s where most of the people who come in here asking what’s going on with Brexit hang out.
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Oct 21, 2019 01:57
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What a loving gas of a post Im doubtful scotland was insistent on the colonisation of ireland as they were both atlantic islanders
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Oct 21, 2019 02:02
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Pesky Splinter posted:Good job Azza Bamboo. To understand Brexit, you must become Brexit. You must chexit before you wrexit, and only then will you achieve succexit.
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Oct 21, 2019 02:08
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I swear if we somehow come out the other side of this mess with Corbyn as Prime Minister, the man is officially the world's biggest strategic genius.
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Oct 21, 2019 02:11
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jabby posted:I swear if we somehow come out the other side of this mess with Corbyn as Prime Minister, the man is officially the world's biggest strategic genius. Nah, anyone will have been able to have done it. A proper leader of the opposition would have become king by that point. Too little too late, Jeremy.
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So, is this poo poo going to happen or what? So hard to keep up with what's just happening in America, let alone the UK as well.
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