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Pissed Ape Sexist posted:I think that's what he means by the garbled mess at the end. He's surprised those wacky dems allow him to give up his salary (for some reason) and then kinda brags about how much it is anyway. Bragging about how much money you aren't making is the most Trump thing I can think of tbh.
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goethe.cx posted:god drat it i laughed at a hillary tweet psychotically nearly blowing up the world over pointless military dickwaving is good now because no one involved made any uncouth tweets or said any bad words in a letter
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Party Plane Jones posted:https://twitter.com/RudawEnglish/status/1186281897913180160?s=20 Man I remember when "no blood for oil" was easy for right-wingers to blow off as disingenuous
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Oh I completely agree. But Doug has spent two years surrounded by dipshit K street consultants who are CONVINCED the path to reelection goes through the wealthy Birmingham suburbs or the forgotten Florabama bar voters or some complete nonsense.
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evilweasel posted:The one thing I have not seen any theorizing on, and I'm sort of surprised about this, is where Manchin and Jones would land. I think Jones will vote to convict (and he voted against Kavanaugh), but he's got a very tough race coming up so he'll be under very intense pressure. Manchin just got re-elected so he's pretty far away from needing to answer to WV voters about his vote (either way) but he'd still be iffy at best unless we're in the scenario where proof of guilt is so overwhelming that there's a serious chance of conviction. I think they matter even in a world where conviction is impossible because if Romney does vote to convict and brings a few people along, the vote to convict being bipartisan and the vote to acquit being partisan will be very meaningful, as will getting a majority of senators. If Romney doesn't flip, and acquittal is bipartisan while conviction is partisan, that also won't be great. The Democratic Party's decision to betray its principles and support Manchin continues to pay off in spades..... Prester Jane fucked around with this message at 16:12 on Oct 21, 2019 |
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FizFashizzle posted:Oh I completely agree. I think his path to re-election is nil unless the Republicans run another child molester for some insane reason.
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https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1186289735054090245?s=20 https://twitter.com/ibrahimpols/status/1186007525809938432 https://twitter.com/NinjaEconomics/status/1186099994975035392 https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1186250823573102592 https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/1186284454135898120 https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/1186298818452738048 Party Plane Jones fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Oct 21, 2019 |
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Paradoxish posted:Wait, who glorifies debt collectors? I know lawyers who look down on debt collection attorneys as the scum of the Earth. Maybe I'm not saying it right. The law kind of doesn't apply to debt collectors in the way it seems to for everyone else, and there's a certain appeal to a certain kind of person who is into that kind of thing. I think it's because of how we treat police and inherently dehumanize "criminals" that leads to this kind of thing. Maybe it doesn't get spoken of very much in polite circles? But there are a lot of people who get off on watching people get effectively brutalized by some people who aren't even really part of the justice system (such as it is). Even just 2 months ago there was a case where some bounty hunters murdered a random guy because he tried to escape from them breaking his car windows, and they were found not guilty. https://fox17.com/news/local/bounty-hunters-who-shot-at-wrong-car-found-not-guilty-in-killing-of-clarksville-dad That, and there's always some kind of television show following self-described bounty hunters or people repossessing people's poo poo for the reward. Americans like other people's pain. It isn't that surprising that we have an entire regime built on that right now. It's a cultural thing to declare a subgroup bad and then enjoy watching them get hurt. That's why "illegals" has such traction among the right wing -- they think law and order should be spectacle. Bounty hunting is another manifestation of that, I think.
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Wylie posted:Jones got elected by PoC in Alabama coming out to vote at levels they previously had not, for two reasons: 1. The brainworms that infected white Evangelicals absolutely did not infect black Evangelical churches in Alabama, and they were highly motivated against Moore. 2. Doug Jones, had he not been elected to the Senate, would have been best known as the prosecutor who got two convictions in the 1963 Birmingham church bombing. Seems like the Democratic Party in Alabama might do well to field an actual black candidate next, if so.
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BarbarianElephant posted:I think his path to re-election is nil unless the Republicans run another child molester for some insane reason.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:It's 'Bama man. They might run the same child molester again. Thanks Al'Bama...
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The Supreme Court today basically dropped any pretense of not being a political body by tossing a ruling against gerrymandering in Michigan today. Republicans are gonna rule this nation for a looooooong time.
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BarbarianElephant posted:Seems like the Democratic Party in Alabama might do well to field an actual black candidate next, if so. You'd think, yes. But the Democratic Party in Alabama, as I've said before, is in a sorry state, for reasons that are too weird to get into here. Jones basically ran a statewide campaign by himself; the state party is not functional.
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SchrodingersCat posted:The Supreme Court today basically dropped any pretense of not being a political body by tossing a ruling against gerrymandering in Michigan today. I haven't seen anything on this. Links?
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SchrodingersCat posted:The Supreme Court today basically dropped any pretense of not being a political body by tossing a ruling against gerrymandering in Michigan today. Dems just took back control of the House by a huge margin even with all of the extensive existing gerrymandering though.
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Wylie posted:You'd think, yes. But the Democratic Party in Alabama, as I've said before, is in a sorry state, for reasons that are too weird to get into here. Jones basically ran a statewide campaign by himself; the state party is not functional. Democratic Leadership's strategy of mostly ignoreing the party in states where it is unlikely to win continues to pay off in spades.... Prester Jane fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Oct 21, 2019 |
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Dems just took back control of the House by a huge margin even with all of the extensive existing gerrymandering though. That's in part due to the gerrymander itself. Once they fail, they tend to fail very hard. But the wave won't be able to sustain itself on simply "not doing anything." The voters are going to want to get something for the wave, and if the leadership fails to show anything for the faith the voters put in them, the voters are unlikely to do so again. The senate is also a different beast, because the numbers advantage the republicans hold there is more absolute than the regional ones that gerrymandering creates. 'course, without the senate, the house can't really provide the voters with anything all that substantial, so another wave is already being worked against just by virtue of the bicameral system. That's another (another) reason why impeachment is so important. It's the leadership delivering anything.
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Prester Jane posted:Democratic Leadership's strategy of mostly ignoreing the party in states where it is unlikely to win continues to pay off in spades.... The national party has withheld funds from the state party, yes. But that is largely due to the people in charge of the state party being hilariously awful grifters who won't relinquish control of the state party apparatus.
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Wylie posted:The national party has withheld funds from the state party, yes. But that is largely due to the people in charge of the state party being hilariously awful grifters who won't relinquish control of the state party apparatus. Maybe the National Party should have a stronger top-down organization then. Just thinking out loud, you know?
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Isn’t this latest SCOTUS ruling just in line with their prior ruling a few months ago that said states are essentially allowed to do whatever they want in terms of districting? I didn’t even know there was another case.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Dems just took back control of the House by a huge margin even with all of the extensive existing gerrymandering though. You can't count on historic levels of outrage in every election, that's a temporary solution and the underlying problem has to be solved sooner or later.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:https://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/1186262508195274752 It would be outright suicidal.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:https://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/1186262508195274752 Of course we let Turkey take the nukes! Too expensive! I made a GREAT DEAL for the Nukes! Turkey is buying OUR GREAT CORN! MAGA
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mango sentinel posted:It would be outright suicidal. Sure, but who would stop them? The US? Our track record of standing up to despots is a little poo poo, atm.
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haveblue posted:You can't count on historic levels of outrage in every election, that's a temporary solution and the underlying problem has to be solved sooner or later. I disagree because demographics are destiny. If the Democrats won this election by such a huge margin, imagine how much easier it will be for them to do it the next time when more Boomers have died off. With the right (carefully-crafted and focus-group tested) policy proposals the Democrats will handily carry the next Statewide election in Michigan.
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mango sentinel posted:It would be outright suicidal. Not if we don't do anything about it. You think Trump wouldn't tell the people stationed there to abandon the nukes and run? It's a crazy thought but you know people are thinking about just what they can get away with right now. https://twitter.com/jbouie/status/1186304709453332480
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:What would Israel think of another regional nuclear power? They would be very very very mad, but Putin would be very very happy.
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Prester Jane posted:Maybe the National Party should have a stronger top-down organization then. Just thinking out loud, you know? I mean, you're not wrong here. But you were before: it's not that Dems don't have a chance to win in Alabama. They do: we have a D senator and just elected the first black mayor in Montgomery in the history of ever. But it is wrong to say that the national party is ignoring Alabama because they think they can't win there. They're trying to starve out the idiots in charge from above, because they're bad at their job. Sure, the national party should clean house. But they can't, for a lot of reasons largely involving race and history that's a little bit more raw in Alabama than elsewhere. Edit: PJ, please stop doing that thing where you're playing with Poe's Law and posting centrist talking points sarcastically. Wylie fucked around with this message at 16:44 on Oct 21, 2019 |
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Dems just took back control of the House by a huge margin even with all of the extensive existing gerrymandering though. But Michigan is hosed. Republicans control both branches of the legislature despite receiving far fewer votes. Without a serious supermajority, it’ll be very difficult to dislodge them and claw back all the voter suppression poo poo they put in place when they had top-to-bottom control (which affects national and state-wide elections). Plus, even though we’ve won the house, gerrymandering makes enacting progressive policy tougher - a smaller democratic margin makes blue dogs tougher to ignore. E: Michigan isn’t alone here, they’re just the most severe case.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:What would Israel think of another regional nuclear power? Israel isn't part of NATO, but we treat them as The First of the major Non-NATO Allies (MNNs), so they're not really threatened by a member of NATO... or they wouldn't usually be, since they're functionally a US protectorate. Beyond that, Beebs is kind of into the idea of existential threats he can scream about. He might be into it because it can help his chances to be pres for life. edit: if the world order is so far gone that Turkey would threaten to nuke/annex/invade Israel, I think it's safe to say that all bets are off.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Isn’t this latest SCOTUS ruling just in line with their prior ruling a few months ago that said states are essentially allowed to do whatever they want in terms of districting? I didn’t even know there was another case. It is. This is striking down a Sixth Circuit ruling that ruled that Michigan had to redraw the maps. It was appealed to SCOTUS and now SCOTUS reversed the Sixth Circuit decision, in alignment with their prior two "Gerrymandering? Not our problem!" rulings.
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SchrodingersCat posted:The Supreme Court today basically dropped any pretense of not being a political body by tossing a ruling against gerrymandering in Michigan today. This was SCOTUS bringing one of the federal courts into compliance with their ruling. They already killed rules against federal gerrymandering a while back. State courts can still rule against it using the state constitution (Note this link isn't THAT Freep) https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2019/10/21/michigan-gerrymandering-us-supreme-court/4051876002/
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