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HauntedRobot posted:Honest question, where does the phrase "smooth brain" come from, and is it not a bit... casually ablist? Mr Luxury Yacht posted:While there's a couple extremely rare congenital conditions that can make part of a human brain smooth I always assumed the term stemmed from the fact that reptiles and birds don't have brain folds. I thought the origin of the quote was a joke/genuine ignorance about how your brain developed wrinkles by thinking too much so smoothbrained just meant someone who doesn't think about things. 2003: The Iraq War begun and killed a lot of people and caused huge chaos throughout the region but is still considered a good thing by a few horrible people.
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namesake posted:I thought the origin of the quote was a joke/genuine ignorance about how your brain developed wrinkles by thinking too much so smoothbrained just meant someone who doesn't think about things. I always thought that without the folds you’d have very little usable brain, but it’d still fill the gap in your skull. I am not a brain doctor.
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Yeah all the conditions that cause brain smoothness in humans are generally fatal during infancy. It's probably one of the few ways of calling someone a loving
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namesake posted:I thought the origin of the quote was a joke/genuine ignorance about how your brain developed wrinkles by thinking too much so smoothbrained just meant someone who doesn't think about things. Well both of those sound plausible, thanks. Wasn't trying to gotcha anyone but I don't like using phrases I can't explain!
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Selfish question, the point of the transition period is that things stay the same, right? Like free movement of services? Because if not I'm going to need to figure some things out quite fast...
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HauntedRobot posted:Honest question, where does the phrase "smooth brain" come from, and is it not a bit... casually ablist? There was a theory that the more ridges a brain has, the more surface area, the more higher cognitive you are. Not sure this was actual scientific of pseudo science bullshit.
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Bobstar posted:Selfish question, the point of the transition period is that things stay the same, right? Like free movement of services? During the transition period we will still have free movement and EU obligations, but after that who knows. If we do 'leave' get poo poo sorted asap, as it is going to be a colossal fuckup Ratjaculation fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Oct 21, 2019 |
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The folded portion of the brain is the part responsible for complex reasoning and is very pronounced in humans, the reason for the folds is that the structure of the brain tissue is divided between the surface layer and the deeper layers and the reason it's folded up is to increase the surface area, letting you fit more of that functional structure into the skull. I don't really know the specific origin of it as a synonym for idiot though. Guavanaut posted:It's probably one of the few ways of calling someone a loving Also that, given that idiot, moron, and cretin are all just old clinical words for mental impairment. We don't really have many words for the concept in english that don't have that as their origin. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Oct 21, 2019 |
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i've got a smooth brain pouring using oil of olay into my ear, so please use the term respectfully.
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:While there's a couple extremely rare congenital conditions that can make part of a human brain smooth I always assumed the term stemmed from the fact that reptiles and birds don't have brain folds. I feel like it’s more likely an artifact of a belief that more wrinkles = smarter, and not anything more complicated. Guavanaut posted:Yeah all the conditions that cause brain smoothness in humans are generally fatal during infancy. Agreed.
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Oct 21, 2019 20:50
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The last ten posts made me feel ill. Ban the brain.
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Guavanaut posted:It's probably one of the few ways of calling someone a loving
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You could make the assertion that this specific form of terrible thing is not, in fact, less valued, and is, in general, likely to be facilitated politically and rewarded personally. But that this is still a bad thing.
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Steve2911 posted:Ban the brain. A Buttery Pastry posted:That just means it's a new ablism. Like, how can you even make the negative judgment "this person is a terrible thinker" without at the same time saying that this is a bad thing and other people who are terrible thinkers too, are, all else being equal, valued less highly? One group needs assistance and the other is smooth brained. e: ^^ that too
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Everyone knows it's in reference to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I33u7P-XokE&t=303s
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I assumed it was some contortion of "consider a perfectly spherical cow", implying pseudo-intellectual economic/political thinking.
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HauntedRobot posted:Honest question, where does the phrase "smooth brain" come from, and is it not a bit... casually ablist? In the 1972 film Horror Express anyone who had their memory sucked out by the beast had a smooth brain when autopsied afterwards.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:That just means it's a new ablism. Like, how can you even make the negative judgment "this person is a terrible thinker" without at the same time saying that this is a bad thing and other people who are terrible thinkers too, are, all else being equal, valued less highly? You're pretty much never going to be able to call someone not very smart without potentially insulting or belittling people with learning disabilities. Not if you define ableism as valuing people with traditional intelligence and the ability to make sensible decisions above people without those skills. Personally I think calling someone an idiot or a moron is fine. We no longer use those words to refer to actual disabilities and everyone understands you mean it as an insult rather than a genuine critique of their faculties.
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chestnut santabag posted:Everyone knows it's in reference to this: Good grief that film hasn't aged well!
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Found an explanation of a weird minor detail in the Withdrawal Bill, if any bored goons choose to leaf through it. https://twitter.com/paulcroft56/status/1186368515206500356?s=21 https://twitter.com/ilphilanthropus/status/1186376373113364480?s=21
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I mean if we’re really gonna get this nitpicky about calling someone dumb then you also have to consider that insulting another human being with the intent to insult is a harmful act, devaluing them by definition even if it’s not any kind of discrimination And at that point I mean come the gently caress on
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jabby posted:Personally I think calling someone an idiot or a moron is fine. We no longer use those words to refer to actual disabilities and everyone understands you mean it as an insult rather than a genuine critique of their faculties. e: ^^^ It's just a market correction, as most of them as seriously overvalued.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:That just means it's a new ablism. Like, how can you even make the negative judgment "this person is a terrible thinker" without at the same time saying that this is a bad thing and other people who are terrible thinkers too, are, all else being equal, valued less highly? It's a significant improvement over regular ableism when there's no actual sufferers of the condition being used as an insult, at least.
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I'd assumed that the UK leaving the customs union would be very bad for the Republic of Ireland regardless of how the NI border problem was solved, but it looks like only ~11% of Irish exports go to the UK? This is really surprising to me for some reason! As it stands the solution to the Irish border problem proposed in this latest withdrawal agreement, where NI remains in the EU customs union while the rest of the UK leaves it, isn't a great outcome for the Republic but seems far from the worst outcome. Is this missing anything?
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Nocturtle posted:I'd assumed that the UK leaving the customs union would be very bad for the Republic of Ireland regardless of how the NI border problem was solved, but it looks like only ~11% of Irish exports go to the UK? This is really surprising to me for some reason! As it stands the solution to the Irish border problem proposed in this latest withdrawal agreement, where NI remains in the EU customs union while the rest of the UK leaves it, isn't a great outcome for the Republic but seems far from the worst outcome. Is this missing anything? How many imports go through the UK.
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Nocturtle posted:I'd assumed that the UK leaving the customs union would be very bad for the Republic of Ireland regardless of how the NI border problem was solved, but it looks like only ~11% of Irish exports go to the UK? This is really surprising to me for some reason! As it stands the solution to the Irish border problem proposed in this latest withdrawal agreement, where NI remains in the EU customs union while the rest of the UK leaves it, isn't a great outcome for the Republic but seems far from the worst outcome. Is this missing anything? The numbers are distorted by our (Ireland's) large multinational pharma exports. But a lot of that is offshored profit. If you look at our domestic exports, like the agrifood sector, it's something like 30+% to the UK (I forget the exact number). So it would be real poo poo for the Irish economy. But then, we also stand to gain in the medium term by being the only native English-speaking country in the EU and attracting even more FDI, plus we get NI back, so who knows really
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Nocturtle posted:I'd assumed that the UK leaving the customs union would be very bad for the Republic of Ireland regardless of how the NI border problem was solved, but it looks like only ~11% of Irish exports go to the UK? This is really surprising to me for some reason! As it stands the solution to the Irish border problem proposed in this latest withdrawal agreement, where NI remains in the EU customs union while the rest of the UK leaves it, isn't a great outcome for the Republic but seems far from the worst outcome. Is this missing anything? The NI in the customs union is 'temporary' during the transition, after that who knows and thats a lot of political/border uncertainty for an economy to ride. You can't really *solve* the border problem, if it's in the middle of the Irish sea its still going to cause issues. Ireland has a trade deficit with us so they'll be paying more on imports form us in tariffs, potentially up to 33% extra on about £30b worth of goods. They can't bilaterally agree to ignore this under the WTO, as they need to do it as part of the EU. Despite our differences we also offered a lot of mutual support in EU decisions that would affect the UK/Ireland, our council seats are being redistributed, so this will loose Ireland a lot of footing in issues that may have affected it. Though, expect a lot of businesses to move from the UK to Ireland as well, so that's a bit of a silver lining. Ratjaculation fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Oct 21, 2019 |
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Intelligence based insults are the same as appearance based insults, just low blows that can harm more people than their intended targets. There are better are more creative ways to insult people
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If both stupid and gross looking are off the table I'm quickly running out of ways to describe our masters
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Ms Fuchi posted:Intelligence based insults are the same as appearance based insults, just low blows that can harm more people than their intended targets. There are better are more creative ways to insult people Like I'm not a big fan of the Joris Bohnson thing because the dude that said it clearly had some kind of mild impairment and then it got turned into a "lol look at the sort of mental defectives that vote Tory" type thing in some parts, but saying that Johnson himself is another product of the Eton brain smoothing facility is fair game.
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Ash Crimson posted:I've given up on the south, there's just nothing there, they got us into this mess in the first place, perhaps I will see a dissolved UK in my lifetime and it would be beneficial for humans such as the Irish, Welsh, Scottish and Cornish Catching up with the thread to say shut the gently caress up with this poo poo. On insulting the intelligence of people, I believe there’s a big difference in insulting someone who has a genuine need for care and support for circumstances beyond their control, and insulting someone that is clearly intelligent to some degree but wilfully disregards any critical faculties to support their desired worldview. We could spend the entire podcast just calling them cunts but that would get real boring and lack a lot of the required nuance to satisfy catharsis, entertainment and analysis.
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I just thought Jòris Bohnson was a stupid ironic spoonerism, but now that I know it's an ableism...I'll probably keep using it until it gets even more passé?
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Being stupid isn't a crime but people who want to criminalize their concept of stupity being, themselves, monumentally stupid, is kind of funny.
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mediaphage posted:I feel like it’s more likely an artifact of a belief that more wrinkles = smarter, and not anything more complicated. No.
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OwlFancier posted:Being stupid isn't a crime but people who want to criminalize their concept of stupity being, themselves, monumentally stupid, is kind of funny. 
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Thanks for all the replies. Given it's proximity it seems obvious that the UK leaving the customs Union would be an economic disaster for Ireland, despite the inflated export numbers. Just trying to get a handle on the extent that other regions are going to get dragged into this horror show, now that there's an agreement that has a non-negligible chance of passing.
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Jesus Christ are you people seriously debating on how to appropriately insult one another?
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Nocturtle posted:Thanks for all the replies. Given it's proximity it seems obvious that the UK leaving the customs Union would be an economic disaster for Ireland, despite the inflated export numbers. Just trying to get a handle on the extent that other regions are going to get dragged into this horror show, now that there's an agreement that has a non-negligible chance of passing. If it's any consolation it'll be worse for us! (it's not)
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