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Kesper North posted:Oyyy. If we start shooting at Turkey I don't think we're gonna get our nukes back. The security around those nukes is ridiculous. And the best part? Even if somehow all the security measures to keep the weapons out of the wrong hands fails, the bombs are completely useless without the codes. The codes that are in the football that travels with POTUS. The more head loving thing is trump talking about being willing to start shooting Turkey, a NATO ally, if he needs to. Putin had to be loving thrilled to hear that tidbit.
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# ? Oct 21, 2019 21:19 |
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Woodchip posted:Dien Bien Phu went well Idk if Incirlik is the set piece battle that will break the back of Erdogan's forces, but okay
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# ? Oct 21, 2019 21:22 |
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:The security around those nukes is ridiculous. And the best part? Even if somehow all the security measures to keep the weapons out of the wrong hands fails, the bombs are completely useless without the codes. The codes that are in the football that travels with POTUS. The wrong hands in this case is the countries of Turkey and Russia. How fast do you think they'd have those physics packages rebuilt into something else?
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# ? Oct 21, 2019 21:25 |
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Internet Wizard posted:Smoke ‘em if you got ‘em When news like this comes out it really does make me want to pick up smoking again.
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EBB posted:When news like this comes out it really does make me want to pick up smoking again.
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:The security around those nukes is ridiculous. And the best part? Even if somehow all the security measures to keep the weapons out of the wrong hands fails, the bombs are completely useless without the codes. The codes that are in the football that travels with POTUS. Locks keep honest men honest. They're bombs. They're nuclear bombs in the hands of an unstable fascist country. In 2016, I would joke all the time, "do you want Trump to have the nuclear football?" Because now he's literally fumbled it.
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# ? Oct 21, 2019 22:29 |
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:The security around those nukes is ridiculous. And the best part? Even if somehow all the security measures to keep the weapons out of the wrong hands fails, the bombs are completely useless without the codes. The codes that are in the football that travels with POTUS. I have no doubt that Erdogan couldn't do poo poo with them, if they even tried you'd land half the marines on their head. I'm not worried about that, I'm worried that Erdogan even thought it was a reasonable thing to do to threaten their integrity, it's well up there with the dumbest, most short sighted political things I've seen even evil bastard dictators do over my life. How do you go from 0 to WAR in 60 seconds? Err, that basically.
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# ? Oct 21, 2019 22:34 |
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Casimir Radon posted:Crack Is a bitch.
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# ? Oct 21, 2019 22:39 |
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Hexyflexy posted:I have no doubt that Erdogan couldn't do poo poo with them, if they even tried you'd land half the marines on their head. I'm not worried about that, I'm worried that Erdogan even thought it was a reasonable thing to do to threaten their integrity, it's well up there with the dumbest, most short sighted political things I've seen even evil bastard dictators do over my life. This administration epitomizes the “shoot your shot” mentality. Might as well try your dumb loving plans because the chances are better than usual you’ll get away with them.
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Wasabi the J posted:They're bombs. They're nuclear bombs in the hands of an unstable fascist country.
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# ? Oct 21, 2019 22:41 |
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Yeah, even threatening a base like that is a bad idea. You might take it but you're not keeping it and the consequences will range from dire to world-ending.
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# ? Oct 21, 2019 22:41 |
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Erdogan's leash isn't that long and he knows it
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# ? Oct 21, 2019 22:42 |
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joat mon posted:So who would we give them to? Uhhhh (spins globe).... idk Canada? Proud Christian Mom posted:Erdrogan's leash isn't that long and he knows it I suspect its significantly longer than we all hope it is.
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# ? Oct 21, 2019 22:42 |
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The idea that PALs would stop a state level actor from making functional weapons out of 50 B61s worth of weapons grade fissile material is laughable on its face. Even if they have to detonate the chemical explosives in a blast chamber and recover what's left it's still an engineering problem and a massive shortcut around building an enrichment program.
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# ? Oct 21, 2019 22:55 |
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May Allah bless this mess. https://twitter.com/BrandyZadrozny/status/1186398345029443584
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shame on an IGA posted:The idea that PALs would stop a state level actor from making functional weapons out of 50 B61s worth of weapons grade fissile material is laughable on its face. Even if they have to detonate the chemical explosives in a blast chamber and recover what's left it's still an engineering problem and a massive shortcut around building an enrichment program. Yeh that's true, but it isn't what I'm worried about. If you gave a bunch of us goons a chunk of plutonium we could probably build a fairly crappy nuke, the physics isn't that hard in the scheme of things. It's the threat - "do what we want or we're going to grab these B61s off you and what're you going to do about it?".
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# ? Oct 21, 2019 23:09 |
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I would be more worried about Turkey passing fissile material on to non-state actors who could at the very least build cheap dirty bombs.
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Hexyflexy posted:Yeh that's true, but it isn't what I'm worried about. If you gave a bunch of us goons a chunk of plutonium we could probably build a fairly crappy nuke, the physics isn't that hard in the scheme of things. It's the threat - "do what we want or we're going to grab these B61s off you and what're you going to do about it?". Probably give the 75th Ranger Regiment a new home base with the 82nd airborne and 2ACR (or whoever the hell has that mission now) to follow shortly.
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Hexyflexy posted:Yeh that's true, but it isn't what I'm worried about. If you gave a bunch of us goons a chunk of plutonium we could probably build a fairly crappy nuke, the physics isn't that hard in the scheme of things. It's the threat - "do what we want or we're going to grab these B61s off you and what're you going to do about it?". Uh, yes it is. Do you have any idea how precisely that poo poo has to be machined, or what plutonium likes to do while being machined, not to mention how spot-on the explosives have to be to trigger it? Get it wrong and it wont work, full stop.
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shame on an IGA posted:The idea that PALs would stop a state level actor from making functional weapons out of 50 B61s worth of weapons grade fissile material is laughable on its face. Even if they have to detonate the chemical explosives in a blast chamber and recover what's left it's still an engineering problem and a massive shortcut around building an enrichment program. Just going to leave this piece of history here. https://gizmodo.com/for-20-years-the-nuclear-launch-code-at-us-minuteman-si-1473483587
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Uh, yes it is. Do you have any idea how precisely that poo poo has to be machined, or what plutonium likes to do while being machined, not to mention how spot-on the explosives have to be to trigger it? Get it wrong and it wont work, full stop. How much do you think policymakers would be willing to bet against Turkish PMEL?
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# ? Oct 21, 2019 23:43 |
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Somebody in the milhist thread made a big effort post about the B61 will probably brick itself when tampered with a few days ago:LatwPIAT posted:There are some half-declassified documents that strongly imply that the decision to fit PALs to nuclear bombs were strongly influenced by the tensions between Turkey and Greece and the fears that one or both sides would seize the US warheads. LatwPIAT posted:Basically the system I know the most about is the D-cat PAL fitted to the B61 nuclear bomb, so I'll talk about it:
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Uh, yes it is. Do you have any idea how precisely that poo poo has to be machined, or what plutonium likes to do while being machined, not to mention how spot-on the explosives have to be to trigger it? Get it wrong and it wont work, full stop. For a fusion bomb yes, the timing is down to fractions of a nanosecond, for an atom bomb not so much, we did it in the 40s, that's 75 years ago. Plutionium having different allotropes is the first bit of material science I read that scared the poo poo out of me, heat it up a bit much when you're machining it, the crystaline structure changes and you can be turbo hosed if it suddenly decides to increase density.
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I didn't read all that but I do like the implication that the possibility that Greece would invade Turkey and capture US nuclear weapons was part of the decision.
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Smiling Jack posted:Probably give the 75th Ranger Regiment a new home base with the 82nd airborne and 2ACR (or whoever the hell has that mission now) to follow shortly. Last I read it was a special unit within JSOC itself.
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# ? Oct 22, 2019 00:06 |
Bored As gently caress posted:Last I read it was a special unit within JSOC itself. I meant more along the "seize hostile airfield and establish a airhead" not "secure the nukes". I would hope all that noise about being able to put a shitload of troops on the ground in a hurry isn't just a fantasy. Suddenly dumping an airborne regiment or two into a friendly airbase on a "training exercise" would hopefully shut the Turks up. Smiling Jack fucked around with this message at 00:45 on Oct 22, 2019 |
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# ? Oct 22, 2019 00:43 |
I feel like seal worship has kind of died off. It’s gonna be insufferable if they go in and take back like 50 nukes. The future conservatives want.
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Smiling Jack posted:I meant more along the "seize hostile airfield and establish a airhead" not "secure the nukes". I would hope all that noise about being able to put a shitload of troops on the ground in a hurry isn't just a fantasy. Ah yeah. And good point.
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colachute posted:I feel like seal worship has kind of died off. It’s gonna be insufferable if they go in and take back like 50 nukes.
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colachute posted:I feel like seal worship has kind of died off. It’s gonna be insufferable if they go in and take back like 50 nukes. SEAL worship will die down even further if they recover 49 nukes.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Uh, yes it is. Do you have any idea how precisely that poo poo has to be machined, or what plutonium likes to do while being machined, not to mention how spot-on the explosives have to be to trigger it? Get it wrong and it wont work, full stop. Pretty much. At most you'd have a dirty bomb and even then, it's debatable how bad it'd be.
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# ? Oct 22, 2019 00:51 |
Hexyflexy posted:For a fusion bomb yes, the timing is down to fractions of a nanosecond, for an atom bomb not so much, we did it in the 40s, that's 75 years ago. Plutionium having different allotropes is the first bit of material science I read that scared the poo poo out of me, heat it up a bit much when you're machining it, the crystaline structure changes and you can be turbo hosed if it suddenly decides to increase density. ...............yes, you did it in the 40s, with one of the largest projects in human history and the intellectual might of the worlds largest superpower behind it. If you're referring to a gun-type bomb, well, quote:Since it is a relatively slow method of assembly, plutonium cannot be used unless it is purely the 239 isotope.
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pantslesswithwolves posted:SEAL worship will die down even further if they recover 49 nukes. lol
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What did the tweet say? It's gone now
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Just finished the first episode of Watchmen and the right wing backlash against it is what I’m looking forward to as much the rest of the season.
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pantslesswithwolves posted:SEAL worship will die down even further if they recover 49 nukes. man this marketing campaign for the new Modern Warfare is wild
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:The security around those nukes is ridiculous. Heh remember the time in Belgium the protesters walked into the airbase (with nukes) to get arrested had a hard time doing that and eventually wondered around until they found an unarmed guard who got people to deal with them. In the press event in response to this incident they reported on how the protesters did not get into the area of the base that houses the nukes. So in response to that more protesters broke in found there way to the hard shelters and found one with a door open and took some photos of the inside of the bomb shelters. Granted the security at the site in Turkey is hopefully in better hands and has recently gotten upgrades.
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Bulky Bartokomous posted:Just finished the first episode of Watchmen and the right wing backlash against it is what I’m looking forward to as much the rest of the season. The best part has been woke white people outwardly expressing their shock at not knowing about the Tulsa Race Riots until a superhero show told them about it
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# ? Oct 22, 2019 02:06 |
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Like come on it's not even a cover up Wikipedia has had a full fledged article on it for over a decade
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A few times during the late 80s my dad had to investigate missile silos that Plowshares had broken into and splashed blood everywhere.
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