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sit on my Facebook posted:Emrakul and copter are near-guaranteed bans at the first opportunity imo copter? copter is just a really efficient card. if that's the level that's bannable this format is gonna have to ban half the cards available.
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Cards banned in their respective standards since RTR: Emerakul, the Promised End Smuggler's Copter Reflector Mage Felidar Guardian (instead of Saheeli Rai) Aetherworks Marvel Attune with Aether Rogue Refiner Ramunap Ruins (instead of Hazoret the Fervent) Rampaging Ferocidon (instead of Chandra, Torch of Defiance) Field of the Dead Energy might not be as overpowering in a larger card pool, but Marvel would definitely be on my watch list. The Saheeli combo is probably fine. Unless mono-red is extremely overwhelming Ruin is probably fine too, but we'll see. So yeah, Emerakul, Copter, and Marvel is my short list. A big flaming stink posted:copter? copter is just a really efficient card. if that's the level that's bannable this format is gonna have to ban half the cards available. Tibalt fucked around with this message at 00:45 on Oct 22, 2019 |
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Oct 22, 2019 00:27
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lmbo forever that a rando red 3-drop was banned instead of Hazoret
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Oct 22, 2019 00:29
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Marvel getting Ugin is enough for it to get the axe. When Marvel got banned, Emrakul had already gotten banned, so its hits were Ulamog and, what, World Breaker? Chandra? Some other medium sized planeswalker? In this new format there's a whole hell of a lot of immediate game ending threats, and there'll always be more printed, so it's probably gotta go.
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Oct 22, 2019 00:30
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whydirt posted:lmbo forever that a rando red 3-drop was banned instead of Hazoret An uncommon land was too.
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Oct 22, 2019 00:34
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The delve cards will surely be on a shortlist as well. DRS? Probably not since there's no fetches. I bet there'll be some sort of rock deck with tireless tracker and thoughtseize.
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Oct 22, 2019 00:35
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Hellsau posted:Marvel getting Ugin is enough for it to get the axe. When Marvel got banned, Emrakul had already gotten banned, so its hits were Ulamog and, what, World Breaker? Chandra? Some other medium sized planeswalker? In this new format there's a whole hell of a lot of immediate game ending threats, and there'll always be more printed, so it's probably gotta go. think there's a G/x devotion + golos list?
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Oct 22, 2019 00:41
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Also tcgplayer or whomever should out whichever addresses bought up all the poo poo last week. gently caress their privacy policy you're part of a conspiracy.
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Oct 22, 2019 00:45
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Reflector Mage was banned for being really annoying in the Flash deck, not as a dodge for some other mythic like Ramunap Ruins, right?
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Oct 22, 2019 00:48
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Cactrot posted:An uncommon land was too.
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Oct 22, 2019 00:50
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How many cards does Saheeli go infinite with in this pool? It can't just be the one.
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Oct 22, 2019 00:59
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Waiting for banned format. You can play any two banned cards in your deck no more no less.
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Oct 22, 2019 01:01
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I'm not sold on standard format. Cards rotate out within a year (?), lots of money to spend, requires friends have comparable amount/value of cards, your deck can be greatly inferior to someone else's as a consequence. What's the appeal?
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Oct 22, 2019 01:09
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Perry Mason Jar posted:I'm not sold on standard format. Cards rotate out within a year (?), lots of money to spend, requires friends have comparable amount/value of cards, your deck can be greatly inferior to someone else's as a consequence. What's the appeal? It's really two years other than Core sets. The appeal for me is it's not as competitive, the rotation means it's a bit more balanced without a bunch of bans, and while probably not cheaper in the long run, its costs are spread out.
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Oct 22, 2019 01:13
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Perry Mason Jar posted:I'm not sold on standard format. Cards rotate out within a year (?), lots of money to spend, requires friends have comparable amount/value of cards, your deck can be greatly inferior to someone else's as a consequence. What's the appeal? Standard is typically slower and less powerful, which makes it easier to brew and do your own thing, you fun thing in modern would get crushed by the raw dog efficiency in that format.
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Oct 22, 2019 01:16
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The whole point of formats is that you can go to a card shop and play with strangers, and know what you're getting in for. Rotation makes sure those games against strangers stay interesting, as the format shifts over time. If you're just playing with friends at the kitchen table then you don't really need to worry about it.
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Perry Mason Jar posted:I'm not sold on standard format. Cards rotate out within a year (?), lots of money to spend, requires friends have comparable amount/value of cards, your deck can be greatly inferior to someone else's as a consequence. What's the appeal? It's a competitive format. It constrains the game such that you can play with strangers when both of you are trying hard to win, and both of you have something of an idea of what power level things are at going in. Compared to other competitive constructed formats, it stays fresh, because cards rotate after ~1.5 years on average (it's every year, but it's the cards from the year before that rotate out). It's also full of more interactive games and metagames than Modern, while not costing as much as Legacy so there's actually people playing it. Tom Clancy is Dead fucked around with this message at 01:21 on Oct 22, 2019 |
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Oct 22, 2019 01:18
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Anarcho-Commissar posted:It's really two years other than Core sets. Can you explain this? I don't understand core sets or sets in general and their rotation.
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Oct 22, 2019 01:20
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Can you explain this? I don't understand core sets or sets in general and their rotation. Core sets rotate every fall on the release of a new non-core set. Non-core sets rotate at the second fall set release after their printing For example, GoR released last fall. Eldraine released this fall. Next fall everything between Guilds and Eldraine will rotate out. The fall after that, Eldraine and whatever comes before next fall rotates
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Can you explain this? I don't understand core sets or sets in general and their rotation. https://whatsinstandard.com/
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Oct 22, 2019 01:22
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Feels like people are preemptively banning cards in their mind that were oppressive in their standard formats, but will likely not be a problem in what is closer to Modern 1.5 than Standard 2.0. A lot of the more abusable cards are before RTR anyway.
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Oct 22, 2019 01:23
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A big flaming stink posted:copter? copter is just a really efficient card. if that's the level that's bannable this format is gonna have to ban half the cards available. I think it's more the ubiquity problem than the power-level problem. Every deck that plays creatures immediately slams 4 Copters and that sucks. It's better for any format if cross-archetype staples are minimized, especially at the outset
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Oct 22, 2019 01:23
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Hellsau posted:Marvel getting Ugin is enough for it to get the axe. When Marvel got banned, Emrakul had already gotten banned, so its hits were Ulamog and, what, World Breaker? Chandra? Some other medium sized planeswalker? In this new format there's a whole hell of a lot of immediate game ending threats, and there'll always be more printed, so it's probably gotta go. Teferi stops the combo tho
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Oct 22, 2019 01:26
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A big flaming stink posted:think there's a G/x devotion + golos list? only if like 30 cards get banned, there's a whole lot of consistent turn 3/4 kill combo decks. born on a buy you posted:Teferi stops the combo tho You know what Teferi is really bad against? Whirler Virtuoso. Hellsau fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Oct 22, 2019 |
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Oct 22, 2019 01:28
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sit on my Facebook posted:I think it's more the ubiquity problem than the power-level problem. Every deck that plays creatures immediately slams 4 Copters and that sucks. It's better for any format if cross-archetype staples are minimized, especially at the outset I'm not at all convinced about this. Copter was banned before Fatal Push and Abrade were printed, at a time when there weren't any good answers to it at all. I think it will see a good amount of play but I don't think it will be ubiquitous.
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Oct 22, 2019 01:31
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I will say that I appreciate WotC basically doing an open beta test on the format instead of pre-banning cards.
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Oct 22, 2019 01:37
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Perfect. Cheers all, standard seems much better now.
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I'd like to think that Invoke Prejudice is a $300+ card (higher than Mana Drain?!?) because so many have been destroyed due to having literal hooded klansmen in the art, but I'm fearful the real answer isn't as heartwarming.
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Oct 22, 2019 02:19
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whydirt posted:I'd like to think that Invoke Prejudice is a $300+ card (higher than Mana Drain?!?) because so many have been destroyed due to having literal hooded klansmen in the art, but I'm fearful the real answer isn't as heartwarming. I mean, it has the Hitler number in Gatherer and WotC pinky swear's that it was random, but keep on keeping the faith.
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Toshimo posted:I mean, it has the Hitler number in Gatherer and WotC pinky swear's that it was random, but keep on keeping the faith.
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Oct 22, 2019 02:32
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I think it is a coincidence myself
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Tibalt posted:Reflector Mage was banned for being really annoying in the Flash deck, not as a dodge for some other mythic like Ramunap Ruins, right? Kind of, yeah. When they banned Copter and Emrakul, for their various reasons involving both, the Blue/White Flash deck that would have been left around would have likely been the de facto best deck without anything coming close, especially with other major players, like RW/Mardu Vehicles and GB Delirium taking big hits at the same time. The threat of that was enough for them to make a targeted ban, coupled with Reflector Mage having generally been an unfun card to play against(Collected Company was legal with it after all!), and things such as memory issues, etc lead to Mage being the perfect target. EDIT: Also worth noting, had Reflector Mage not been banned, it would have been legal, if only for a little bit, with Saheeli and Felidar Guardian in Standard(it had already been legal with Saheeli, but she was weak enough on her own that it doesn't matter much). FrozenPhoenix71 fucked around with this message at 02:40 on Oct 22, 2019 |
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sit on my Facebook posted:I think it's more the ubiquity problem than the power-level problem. Every deck that plays creatures immediately slams 4 Copters and that sucks. It's better for any format if cross-archetype staples are minimized, especially at the outset
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sit on my Facebook posted:I think it's more the ubiquity problem than the power-level problem. Every deck that plays creatures immediately slams 4 Copters and that sucks. It's better for any format if cross-archetype staples are minimized, especially at the outset They don't because they're busy slamming 4 CoCo instead. Which also sucks but for different reasons. (Bant Coco really good guys)
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Oct 22, 2019 02:49
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TheKingofSprings posted:They don't because they're busy slamming 4 CoCo instead. Is Bant Coco really better than Aetherworks Marvel or Copy Cat?
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Oct 22, 2019 03:06
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Tubgoat posted:Nominally, for this to be a wacky non-shadowy coincidence, would mean it was the one thousand four-hundred and eighty-eighth unique Magic: The Gathering card to exist? Juxtapose comes immediately after. Not unique, they're numbered alphabetically by set. This one really is a wacky coincidence (or someone had some amazing foresight back in the day).
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Oct 22, 2019 03:10
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AnEdgelord posted:Is Bant Coco really better than Aetherworks Marvel or Copy Cat? Depends. https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/2399761#paper I like this. And I don't need to buy cards to play it. Give me more of this.
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Oct 22, 2019 03:23
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ItBreathes posted:Not unique, they're numbered alphabetically by set. This one really is a wacky coincidence (or someone had some amazing foresight back in the day). Yeah, that's a considerably better phrasing of what I wanted to convey, as though every card printed is part of one unmanageably large set.
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Oct 22, 2019 03:46
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GoutPatrol posted:Depends. This deck seems like it'd get dominated by various Company value piles and redundant combo decks, and also Autumn's Veil. are they going to need to ban autumn's veil lol
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Hellsau posted:This deck seems like it'd get dominated by various Company value piles and redundant combo decks, and also Autumn's Veil. If you kill my dreams before I get to play a game I will get angry. I just don't want to have to actually re-buy cards again, let me play GBx in every format. edit: Also Nissa or Vivian seems better than Amonket Lili anyway. GoutPatrol fucked around with this message at 04:14 on Oct 22, 2019 |
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