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qirex posted:at least in the us there's no regulation around that and the employee would not be eligible for unemployment as far as I know this varies state by state qirex posted:another place the foreign ceo [who had apparently never seen actual bay area traffic] was going to move the whole office from sf to redwood shores [an hour in a car, 2 hours on publc transit] then threw a tantrum when an internal survey said over half the company said they'd quit and rented an extremely lovely office in that is now the zynga building then moved everyone anyway a year later many years ago i was a contractor at a company that moved from chicago to boston because they recruited a ceo who didn't want to be too far from his summer home. they fired any staff who refused to move two years later they moved to ohio for a tax break. you can guess what happened to staff who refused to move. then two years after that they moved back to boston because they recruited another boston area ceo. staff? same story. i think after the second boston move they had <5 of the original staff, out of hundreds
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:many years ago i was a contractor at a company that moved from chicago to boston because they recruited a ceo who didn't want to be too far from his summer home. they fired any staff who refused to move
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FMguru posted:one of the best illustrations of the lie that businesses/capitalism/"the market" optimize for efficiency was the biz school study that showed that far and away the most powerful explanation for why company headquarters were located where they were was "thats where the ceo lives" everyone knew amazon was going to do an hq2 in nyc because bezos has three houses in the ny metro area lol the entire competition and runoff was all a cynical attempt to make nyc offer them a special tax package, which the city and state refused to do
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Hughlander posted:I'm curious about stories of those soft firings. Like what is the actual case-law / settlements of someone refusing to do so and operating as remote? I assume at some point the company calls it job abandonment, and the person applies for unemployment calling it a dismissal but would love to read about how it actually shakes out.
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ShadowHawk posted:The term to research is "constructive dismissal" if you're curious about more of this this is another thing that varies state by state but relocation is almost never constructive dismissal if you're just closing the drat office
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:everyone knew amazon was going to do an hq2 in nyc because bezos has three houses in the ny metro area lol It sounded like they were going to give a poo poo ton of breaks until the local population realized that actually one thing NYC doesn't need is more rich people
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Sleng Teng posted:I came to learn last week that management will probably tell me to move to an office in another city with a significant CoL increase. this will be without any bump or relocation assistance or anything. At a minimum you should expect or demand: 1) Complete moving expenses from the company. I mean everything: - Car registration - Dog/Pet licenses - First and last months rent of any place you choose (Or realtor fees if you had to sell a house) - First months utilities - A company-provided place to stay while you look for a place to rent/buy. - Car transportation/shipping. - Plane tickets for you and your family. - A moving company to pack your poo poo and move you. - Storage for everything the above packed. Also, of course, a COL raise (At a minimum) and a full week to move. Pro-tip: DO NOT, EVER, except a stipend to move. It's ALWAYS more expensive than you anticipate.
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I just remembered I once talked to a recruiter in cleveland who said they didn't do relocation assistance because "it's so much cheaper here, you'll save tons of money" [they also wanted to pay 40% less]
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qirex posted:I just remembered I once talked to a recruiter in cleveland who said they didn't do relocation assistance because "it's so much cheaper here, you'll save tons of money" [they also wanted to pay 40% less] i'd give them a pass, thats 100% on brand for cleveland
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I will never fully understand the flyover logic of "leave super important req open for 18 months instead of increasing comp" but I don't have an mba
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qirex posted:I will never fully understand the flyover logic of "leave super important req open for 18 months instead of increasing comp" but I don't have an mba I mean the goal is to make money for the consultant and executives, not the company.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:this is another thing that varies state by state but relocation is almost never constructive dismissal if you're just closing the drat office But relocating a short distance isn't the same sort of thing, so there's a lot of legal nuance here. Either way, you the worker have to make your claim and push things legally. 
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qhat posted:It sounded like they were going to give a poo poo ton of breaks until the local population realized that actually one thing NYC doesn't need is more rich people that was the standard development kickback - nobody thought to means test it
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ratbert90 posted:At a minimum you should expect or demand: I once accepted a 12 grand stipend to move from Palo Alto to SF. I spent 600 bucks because the lease was expiring. My new rent was 25 bucks higher than the old rent
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:everyone knew amazon was going to do an hq2 in nyc because bezos has three houses in the ny metro area lol I hope someone writes a book or something on this whole, idk, fiasco? Experiment? Everyone seems to have a different take on who benefited, etc. Some article in the Seattle Times (I'd link it but their site is hosed up at the moment) pointed to their last minute donations to various city council PACs that the HQ2 experiment "failed" and they realized they needed the city more than they thought (so they decided to spend money locally to kick out the socialists, basically) I don't know that it failed though, I think the result was pretty terrifying, to me the clear message is that even if they don't make an HQ2 we've got a whole list of major metropolitan areas ready to play ball, we'll set up offices in all of them and any city that doesn't get with the program, including Seattle, can expect to see jobs/employees migrated away. Hell Bellevue is right across the water, and most of the wealthier developers already live there.
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qhat posted:It sounded like they were going to give a poo poo ton of breaks until the local population realized that actually one thing NYC doesn't need is more rich people all of the tax breaks are completely standard off-the-shelf items if you invest X dollars, build on Y site, and employ Z people you get huge tax breaks of course you have to actually do those things, it's not like you get the tax breaks pre-emptively in the hope you do poo poo
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:of course you have to actually do those things, it's not like you get the tax breaks pre-emptively in the hope you do poo poo *waves at wisconsin*
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e:  Notorious b.s.d. posted:of course you have to actually do those things, it's not like you get the tax breaks pre-emptively in the hope you do poo poo* *unless you're doing a deal in wisconsin with koch pet project scott walker
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I had forgotten how awful all these online job boards (and the third party recruiters who troll them) are, jeez
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Sleng Teng posted:I had forgotten how awful all these online job boards (and the third party recruiters who troll them) are, jeez
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Steve Jorbs posted:I still get stray recruiter emails now and again to an email address I haven't used for job hunting in five years. I have most of the domains filtered to spam now but it's amazing how many names these body shops operate under. most of these use the same vendor system, I looked it up once after realizing they all had the same unsubscribe page. the vendor does no offer a global "remove my poo poo" option as of the last time I checked
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There's an off chance that I'm going to get an offer from a FANG, what should I say if the recruiter asks me how much I make or want? I've already finished the on sites.
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Acer Pilot posted:There's an off chance that I'm going to get an offer from a FANG, what should I say if the recruiter asks me how much I make or want? I've already finished the on sites. A million dollars
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ask for something higher than what levels.fyi says
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Acer Pilot posted:There's an off chance that I'm going to get an offer from a FANG, what should I say if the recruiter asks me how much I make or want? I've already finished the on sites. faang offers are going to be kind of take or leave it as far as base is concerned. everything else though... hobbesmaster fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Oct 24, 2019 |
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it's really amazing how consistently nbsd gives bad and ill-informed advice, every single page has nbsd posting an opinion and then someone's immediate dunk on it
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hobbesmaster posted:faang offers are going to be kind of take or leave it as far as cash is concerned. everything else though... idk i got $10k and a $40k signing bonus from negotiating coming from the grand salary of $0 unemployed the signing bonus is like a recruiter slush fund, doesn't come out of the hiring manager's budget, lean on that when you're done with salary/rsu's. when they start using language like "top of the band" or "fair to the team" you're bumping up on the (effective) salary cap Acer Pilot posted:There's an off chance that I'm going to get an offer from a FANG, what should I say if the recruiter asks me how much I make or want? I've already finished the on sites.
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i meant base salary, should've been way clearer because cash usually means sign on which is negotiable
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10k salary, missed a word there, but yeah it moves way less than other levers
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hmm. realizing I don’t know what direction I want to go in, that my current job (1st out of school in this discipline) has maybe not prepared me very well for much, and that a lot of that is my fault, probably. I will take this introspection as a good part of this job search potential congratulations, acer pilot
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Acer Pilot posted:There's an off chance that I'm going to get an offer from a FANG, what should I say if the recruiter asks me how much I make or want? I've already finished the on sites. If you’re in California, they are required to answer truthfully your follow up question of “what is the range for this position?” It might not be the most deft negotiating tactic, but if you don’t know how much to ask for, knowing their range can at least keep you from saying too low a number.
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Bhodi posted:it's really amazing how consistently nbsd gives bad and ill-informed advice, every single page has nbsd posting an opinion and then someone's immediate dunk on it if you don't like my posting you are entitled to a 100% refund
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:if you don't like my posting you are entitled to a 100% refund I’ll take store credit at the shoe factory
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:if you don't like my posting you are entitled to a 100% refund ah great the most metal refund of all: NOTHING!
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any special tips for getting interest/interviews out of your local area? I've only been at it for a couple of weeks but all my hits so far have just been in my city. I figure more applications + more time is needed (and of course being a more attractive candidate) but is there anything else I'm missing here
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So as I got ready to release another raft of no-hope job applications it suddenly struck me that I'm actually happy where I am. The work is easy enough, the people are nice enough, and we're starting to make inroads into providing MSSP services as value-adds for our customers so I have a chance to get at some information security skills. What... what's happening to me, jobsthread? 
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lol thanks, linkedin. i flagged myself as ‘open to offers’ which of course opened the floodgates to copy/pasted offers from recruiters who couldn’t even be bothered to skim my profile. linkedin just decided to send me a message all, ‘you’re not replying to these messages so we’re assuming you aren’t actually open to offers’ gently caress entirely off
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LinkedIn needs you to hit "not interested" to appease the engagement gods. A recent favorite:quote:We have a Temp to Perm opening with a company called FINRA...
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PIZZA.BAT posted:lol thanks, linkedin. i flagged myself as ‘open to offers’ which of course opened the floodgates to copy/pasted offers from recruiters who couldn’t even be bothered to skim my profile. linkedin just decided to send me a message all, ‘you’re not replying to these messages so we’re assuming you aren’t actually open to offers’ Just reenable the thing that says you're open. It costs nothing.
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qhat posted:Just reenable the thing that says you're open. It costs nothing. except fleeting moments of your highly temporary existence op
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