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Bape Culture posted:Oh I thought the amendment meant running the clock down didn’t result in default no deal. Doh the amendment basically forced Johnson to request an extension - he was trying to get around it by presenting a deal (so no need to extend according to the Benn act) but the motion got amended and passed as "we've seen it but we're not accepting it until the actual implementing legislation is passed" so he still had to request one, and the deadline was that night. By getting an extension the Oct 31 deadline (and any crash out) would be pushed back They tried to hold that vote again on Monday so they could cancel the letter, but Bercow said nope it's done with, can't just re-run the same vote What's at stake now is that if this deal passes, that's just the Withdrawal Agreement - we still need to agree a deal on the future relationship, and the deadline for that is December next year. If we don't agree a deal (and that is a real tight deadline for a free-trade agreement they usually take several years) then oopsie looks like we have "No Deal" uwu So there are amendments in the pipeline to do things like get us in a customs union instead of negotiating a free trade agreement, and I think trying to push the deadline back. People want assurances that we won't just crash out without a deal next year and Johnson is saying "I can assure you we won't crash out because we'll get a great deal by then", SOUND FAMILIAR?!
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BBC News depressing as always. Loads and loads on the political drama of 'will we Brexit on the 31st?!' Absolutely zero about Johnson's deal and what it will mean for the country.
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jabby posted:BBC News depressing as always. Loads and loads on the political drama of 'will we Brexit on the 31st?!' Peter O'Hanraha hanrahan was a documentary
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At this point I'm thinking Labour should just push for an election, and run on second referendum versus Boris' deal. He's asked for an extension, he's going to miss his deadline, and trying to force through a referendum while forcing him to remain PM is just a ridiculous idea for so many reasons.
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So does the EU just want the UK fully out at this point? I imagine uncertainty is unhelpful, but you'd think they'd be slyly trying to help any Remainers get one over on any Brexiters.
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So if this vote fails tonight does that clear the floor for a VONC and GE safe from no deal?Tijuana Bibliophile posted:
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jabby posted:At this point I'm thinking Labour should just push for an election, and run on second referendum versus Boris' deal. Corbyn is incapable of committing to remain (or anything really ?) and that renders labour irrelevant as any GE will be all about Brexit. Or they would be irrelevant if they were not hogging the opposition benches preventing anyone genuinely opposing the Tories at the weakest and most factional they've ever been. They are calling him the man who could have been king in Europe. Without his utter uselessness the Tories would have been out on their ear years ago. Back when the labour party did nothing but try to topple him I thought they should get behind him and present a united front against the Tories, once that stopped he was revealed as having absolutely no front to get behind. The perfect storm of incompetence on both sides of the house.
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Yvette Cooper would have got a 200 majority and we'd all be laughing on our way to the camps.
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Luxury Tent Carpet posted:So if this vote fails tonight does that clear the floor for a VONC and GE safe from no deal? Not until the EU actually agrees to the January extension, or offers a counter extensiont hat's then accepted.
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jabby posted:
But still, I fear, less ridiculous than having an election in order to restart negotiations in order to have another referendum... If Labour can’t agree on a electorally viable Brexit policy, then the only alternative is to sort out Brexit before the election. Which means not Brexiting, which means a referendum.
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Morningwoodpecker posted:Corbyn is incapable of committing to remain (or anything really ?) and that renders labour irrelevant as any GE will be all about Brexit. Or they would be irrelevant if they were not hogging the opposition benches preventing anyone genuinely opposing the Tories at the weakest and most factional they've ever been. How very original and refreshing. Have you met my good friend Dr. Robert (Rob) Zands, PhD?
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Morningwoodpecker posted:Corbyn is incapable of committing to remain (or anything really ?) and that renders labour irrelevant as any GE will be all about Brexit. Or they would be irrelevant if they were not hogging the opposition benches preventing anyone genuinely opposing the Tories at the weakest and most factional they've ever been. Sourcing your quotes should be a thread rule
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mehall posted:Not until the EU actually agrees to the January extension, or offers a counter extensiont hat's then accepted. I see, so Parliament has to accept the extension from the eu?
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Brony Car posted:So does the EU just want the UK fully out at this point? I imagine uncertainty is unhelpful, but you'd think they'd be slyly trying to help any Remainers get one over on any Brexiters. even if there were, how d'you think "unelected eu officials seek to betray the will of our people with traitors etc" would play out in the brexit narrative? if anything it's the sort of thing might deliver the glorious independent clean break brexit
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"This week on Who Do You Think You Are?: Charlie Kirk"
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Morningwoodpecker posted:Back when the labour party did nothing but try to topple him I thought they should get behind him and present a united front against the Tories, once that stopped Are you posting from the future? radmonger posted:But still, I fear, less ridiculous than having an election in order to restart negotiations in order to have another referendum... Labour has a Brexit policy, it's to have another referendum. There aren't the votes to have another referendum in this parliament. Labour already did the whole 'force Johnson to remain PM' thing, it served it's purpose of forcing him to request an extension. If they try and keep him in place any longer he'll get his deal through and that'll be it. And it's a worse deal than May's.
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Jedit posted:If the Withdrawal Agreement passes then we move from EU membership into the transition period. Once that happens there is literally nothing Parliament can do to stop No Deal, especially not if the Tories win a majority on the back of Getting Brexit Done. so if a deal passes then No Deal could happen? do you even understand what words mean?
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Oct 22, 2019 18:38
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Brony Car posted:So does the EU just want the UK fully out at this point? I imagine uncertainty is unhelpful, but you'd think they'd be slyly trying to help any Remainers get one over on any Brexiters. The EU wants whatever it takes to not make this unholy mess their fault, first and foremost. There will be extensions, as a result.
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Julio Cruz posted:so if a deal passes then No Deal could happen? do you even understand what words mean? this deal is the withdrawal agreement, that's how we leave the EU the next deal would be the future relationship, and Johnson wants a FTA if we don't get one before the transition period runs out, welp
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Julio Cruz posted:so if a deal passes then No Deal could happen? do you even understand what words mean? the transition period is until december 2020. there's nothing in this prospective deal for after that, outside of the NI stuff
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Morningwoodpecker posted:Corbyn is incapable of committing to remain (or anything really ?) and that renders labour irrelevant as any GE will be all about Brexit. Or they would be irrelevant if they were not hogging the opposition benches preventing anyone genuinely opposing the Tories at the weakest and most factional they've ever been. "Corbyn's so weak and useless!" *Corbyn effortlessly sees off challengers from inside his party and not one but two Tory Prime Ministers* *Corbyn steers the Labour party towards having a popular, exciting, forward-looking set of leftist policies* *Corbyn helps Johnson set new records for Parliamentary vote losses* "Ah. Well, nevertheless."
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This thread gets very defensive whenever there is criticism of Corbyn, but despite having so many great policies, he’s also made some substantial blunders, and has been disappointing in some respects. Particularly with regard to how he’s handling Labour rebels on this issue, as well as not getting idiots like Barry ‘Modi is my BFF’ Gardiner out of the shadow cabinet.
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Oct 22, 2019 18:47
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Yes but Corbyn won't make Brexit go away, which is definitely possible and not the stupidest loving concept on Earth right now.
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He's by no means perfect and has definitely made some mistakes! But acting like he's hosed up everything he's touched is even more wild than if I were to act like he's the other JC, reincarnate.
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A large part of the American Jewish community seems to think he's an anti-semite, unfortunately. I don't know if there was a better way to handle those allegations, but they have taken quite a damaging and long-lasting life of their own.
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Pesmerga posted:This thread gets very defensive whenever there is criticism of Corbyn, but despite having so many great policies, he’s also made some substantial blunders, and has been disappointing in some respects. Particularly with regard to how he’s handling Labour rebels on this issue, as well as not getting idiots like Barry ‘Modi is my BFF’ Gardiner out of the shadow cabinet. "this issue" is literally happening right now, how can the approach be disappointing before we see the actual effect of it.
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Morningwoodpecker posted:Corbyn is incapable of committing to remain (or anything really ?) and that renders labour irrelevant as any GE will be all about Brexit. Or they would be irrelevant if they were not hogging the opposition benches preventing anyone genuinely opposing the Tories at the weakest and most factional they've ever been. This is a terrible post.
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Pesmerga posted:This thread gets very defensive whenever there is criticism of Corbyn, but despite having so many great policies, he’s also made some substantial blunders, and has been disappointing in some respects. Particularly with regard to how he’s handling Labour rebels on this issue, as well as not getting idiots like Barry ‘Modi is my BFF’ Gardiner out of the shadow cabinet. Brony Car posted:A large part of the American Jewish community seems to think he's an anti-semite, unfortunately. I don't know if there was a better way to handle those allegations, but they have taken quite a damaging and long-lasting life of their own.
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Morningwoodpecker posted:Corbyn is incapable of committing to remain (or anything really ?) and that renders labour irrelevant as any GE will be all about Brexit. Or they would be irrelevant if they were not hogging the opposition benches preventing anyone genuinely opposing the Tories at the weakest and most factional they've ever been. Lmao shut up dumbass
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Guavanaut posted:He's made some missteps, but I'm not sure how they would have been best handled at the wheel of a broad tent that keeps shouting "we're being oppressed, this used to be a broad tent." I was just using that as an example of how widespread the belief that Corbyn is an anti-semite is. Jeez. Plus, from what I've read, it looks like that's something disturbing the Labour party ranks so I wouldn't call it a non-issue.
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He does seem unelectable because of the job the big media outlets in this country have done on him and just from seeing and listening to things people in my social circles say and that’s pretty sad. Starmer would win because he “looks professional” and everyone one over the age of 40 is thick as gently caress lol. Cool country
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Brony Car posted:I was just using that as an example of how widespread the belief that Corbyn is an anti-semite is. Jeez. People on the UK streets don't seem to have paid it much attention unless they both ideologically hate Labour and aren't an antisemite themselves. ^^ Anyone with his policies would be called unelectable by the UK press.
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As I said, the main criticism I have right now is with how he’s handling the wreckers in the Labour Party. That and continuing to listen to people like Ian Lavery. There are better people in the Labour Party to be advised by than him.
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