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OwlFancier posted:Little do you know once they hit zero they underflow and it turns out we brexited several decades ago. This is why they should switch to a moon-based Brexit proximity indicator E: back at it again with the terrible snipes - time to log off for the night boys
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CoolCab posted:brexit is a super emotive issue, particularly for those with eg EU nationals as family members or similar. I think people can get a little frayed around it. My partner's a Finnish national so yeah, all the garbage since 2016 has been loving awful for us.
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https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1186745910841270274 I think if Boris calls an election on a one-line bill Labour will have to go for it. Would be a bad look for the opposition to vote against an election and lose.
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The problem with a general election is I cant see it ending in anything other than a massive Tory majority.
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been having a nice long bath this evening what’d I miss hmm looks like Parliament passed another vote to prevent Johnson loving us over and now it looks like we’ve got an extension and an election coming up who could have possibly predicted that all the doomsaying ITT was ill-founded, I wonder
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PriorMarcus posted:The problem with a general election is I cant see it ending in anything other than a massive Tory majority. You guys like women, right? Hillary Clinton is available and looking for work.
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I actually think it'd be good to run an election whilst this deal is set but in limbo - it's not a great deal. If it gets dissected and dragged over the curse of an election campaign i don't think it'll stand up at all. It certainly isn't the all things to all people brexit promised.
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You know. Earlier this year it looked like Therese May was balancing on the knives edge to avoid a no-deal Brexit. But Boris has been ploughing head first towards no deal and it's like the world contorts its way around him to make him hit a brick wall. The system itself will get itself an extension. Makes me wonder if May ever had the power to cause or avoid no deal in the first place.
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jabby posted:Voting down the Queen's speech doesn't bring down the government any more. It has to be a two-thirds majority or a confidence vote. Which...is almost certainly still a confidence vote, according to every time it's come up in committees and others. https://skwawkbox.org/2019/09/01/johnsons-queens-speech-will-be-a-confidence-vote-heres-why/
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Julio Cruz posted:been having a nice long bath this evening what’d I miss I'm convinced it's at least in part because the press was in a full-on this time we're definitely brexitting mode. I don't think it was as blatant with May's deal, possibly because the RWM monsters weren't quite as onboard with her as they are with Boris. Or maybe I'm just misremembering. Anyway gently caress Tories, gently caress Brexit.
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Brony Car posted:You guys like women, right? Hillary Clinton is available and looking for work. And she's in London in just the right timeframe! https://twitter.com/policyatkings/status/1186656419917029377
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Apparently my gammon father-in-law is doing his nut on Facebook about the delays, which is at least minor schadenfreude to counterbalance the constant, depressing uncertainty. There might be something in the brexit fatigue after all, I imagine that a lot of the less insane raving ones might be swayed by the argument that leaving means at least a year more (probably more like five) of this poo poo, and remaining means the EU returns to being a fringe issue for lunatics. OwlFancier posted:You can't fire an MP. It's like if you boss couldn't actually fire you but came in threatening to stop telling you what to do, how would you react? Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Oct 22, 2019 |
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josh04 posted:And she's in London in just the right timeframe!
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Apparently my gammon father-in-law is doing his nut on Facebook about the delays, which is at least minor schadenfreude to counterbalance the constant, depressing uncertainty. There might be something in the brexit fatigue after all, I imagine that a lot of the less insane raving ones might be swayed by the argument that leaving means at least a year more (probably more like five) of this poo poo, and remaining means the EU returns to being a fringe issue for lunatics. Except in this case they have a job offer to do gently caress all for minimum 5 figures a year. Like we're talking 30 hours a month chatting poo poo on a golf course type "job".
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The positive side of the bill getting to 2nd reading is that it wasn't outright rejected by parliament, whereas putting it on hold is all on the government. If they genuinely wanted to Get Brexit Done they'd still be moving ahead with the process, even if the timetable wasn't what they wanted. Instead they're the ones actively frustrating the passage of the bill. Corbyn even asked them to meet and agree on a timetable for moving forward, so even though Labour mostly voted against the bill it looks like the Tories are the ones undermining THE DEAL also for everyone saying it should have been whipped and destroyed, that's fbpe because it assumes Corbyn has the magic brexit-ending stick he just chooses not to use. Look at the context - Johnson brings a deal back and tries to rush it through at the last minute with a lot of media momentum. The overall narrative is one of Getting It Done, People vs Parliament, Traitors, A Test Of Democracy Itself etc - this is intentional pressure being exerted by the Tories, in an extremely short timeframe, on an explosive issue. Nobody's had time to really examine the deal, get any analysis of its outcomes, anything at all - it dropped the night before the vote in that context, this close to the deadline, some MPs were obviously gonna be wary about just rejecting it at the first opportunity. The process is multiple votes in both houses along with debates and amendments, meaning more time to look at the deal, make changes and an informed decision. I can totally see some people wanting to basically act in good faith, not be rushed into that final decision, or signal to their Leave constituents that they at least gave it a fair shot instead of blocking it immediately. Like, this was all intentional, that's why the Tories created this pressure cooker with all the delays and prorogation and arbitrary deadlines and drum beating about betrayal why do you assume Corbyn would even have the power to coerce people in that situation? What if he tried and failed (because those people felt they needed to give it a shot) and lost the chance to influence other votes like the timetable, or amendments, or the final reading (where it really is the end of the road, nothing more to do but make a decision)? These are all tactical decisions, and unfortunately doing the thing that makes you feel good isn't always the best move to get the outcome you want
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I was reading through this Lord Ashcroft Polls summary of how and why people voted in the referendum and this stat from the end jumped out at me:quote:The impact If a plurality of brexit voters truely believe there isn't much in it either way, no wonder they're fine with no-deal as long as it's over and see cancelling it as subverting democracy. Hopefully the last three years has convinced some of them otherwise but that doesn't really seem to be the case. Odd though that despite it not making much difference either way it'll definitely solve these forces of ill:  sigh, though 50% of each group at least thinks capitalism is bad I guess.
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I mean https://twitter.com/guyverhofstadt/status/1186733216251691009 I can relate
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PriorMarcus posted:The problem with a general election is I cant see it ending in anything other than a massive Tory majority. didn’t get this far by being scared of elections. Tories want a fight we’ll give them one.
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All these werido reply guys in the comments of the EU dudes really makes me want to brexit tbh.
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where IS eu supergirl anyway where's the album
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Can we just let the brexiteers leave? Like give them a chunk of the cumbrian coast and then blast it free into the atlantic. I guarantee this is not as dumb as half of the solutions being thrown around Lib Dem HQ.
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My political position is that I really want guy verhofstadt to notice my politeness in his twitter feed and then do me up the arse bent over the EU parliament benches.
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baka kaba posted:where IS eu supergirl anyway off fighting george soros
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jabby posted:Are you posting from the future? I didn’t say we don’t have a policy, merely that we don’t have a viable policy; one which, under some imaginable circumstances, could lead to gaining seats compared to 2017. In order to win seats that were lost in 2017, then in a single-issue Brexit election you would have to have a Brexit policy that some people prefer to the 2017 policy. To prove me wrong, find me those people.
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blunt posted:I was reading through this Lord Ashcroft Polls summary of how and why people voted in the referendum and this stat from the end jumped out at me: Love/hate of capitalism shall heal UK. Edit: It does not say what % of people were negative, so I wonder if people were more positive to some issues in general, such as feminism, etc. Though if it follows the elections, its pretty much 50-50 anyhow. Rincewinds fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Oct 22, 2019 |
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CoolCab posted:didn’t get this far by being scared of elections. Tories want a fight we’ll give them one. yeah I don’t see how an immediate election is anything but a good thing for Labour some of the Brexit lunatics are going to vote BXP and the rest Tory but there aren’t really all that many of them Brexit isn’t the main issue for nearly as many people as the Tory press would have you believe
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OwlFancier posted:My political position is that I really want guy verhofstadt to notice my politeness in his twitter feed and then do me up the arse bent over the EU parliament benches.
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Julio Cruz posted:yeah I don’t see how an immediate election is anything but a good thing for Labour Yeah. Get the extension in the bag, vote down the queen's speech and VONC. The DUP don't hold the balance of power any more and they've been betrayed so they may well go along with the VONC.
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Do you think, even in the back of their lovely brains, that the lib-dem labour right types that have spent 4 years smearing corbs and the labour left acknowledge that without the historical swing we achieved by not being poo poo neolibs for the 2017 election we would have brexited long ago? That without us it would have been a nu-lab robot and the tories would have had a comfortable majority for this whole episode? Like the lib dems should be respecting that the labour left pulled off the shock upset we did but not a word even recognising why the parliamentary arithmetic is the way it is.
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Lol if you think liberals are that introspective or give that much of a poo poo about reality.
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Vitamin P posted:Do you think, even in the back of their lovely brains, that the lib-dem labour right types that have spent 4 years smearing corbs and the labour left acknowledge that without the historical swing we achieved by not being poo poo neolibs for the 2017 election we would have brexited long ago? That without us it would have been a nu-lab robot and the tories would have had a comfortable majority for this whole episode? You fool, if it wasn't for Corbyn, leave wouldn't have won in the first place.
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PriorMarcus posted:The problem with a general election is I cant see it ending in anything other than a massive Tory majority. Yeah but you're pessimistic as gently caress so your predictions don't hold much value Brony Car posted:You guys like women, right? Hillary Clinton is available and looking for work. HIRE MORE WOMEN DETENTION CENTRE GUARDS
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BBC News and Keunnsberg just uncritically repeating the spin that parliament 'approved' and 'voted for' Johnson's Brexit deal.
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Can someone explain to me why a new brexit bill is being heard? I understand that Joris can't put forward the withdrawal agreement motion as per Section 13 of the EU Withdrawal act as per Bercow's ruling but what I don't understand is what the new bill does differently to the 2018 act? Is it quite simply trying to do Boris' deal in a very longwinded way or is there something materially different about the new bill?
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Vitamin P posted:Do you think, even in the back of their lovely brains, that the lib-dem labour right types that have spent 4 years smearing corbs and the labour left acknowledge that without the historical swing we achieved by not being poo poo neolibs for the 2017 election we would have brexited long ago? That without us it would have been a nu-lab robot and the tories would have had a comfortable majority for this whole episode? These people seem to believe that May was a uniquely bad candidate and that literally anyone else would have won a majority and that policies had nothing to do with it, which to be fair is neoliberal as gently caress because they all just want New Improved Tony Blair with extra racism and down punching action to run the country forever. Julio Cruz posted:yeah I don’t see how an immediate election is anything but a good thing for Labour Mildly concerned that a good number of previously apparently normal people have the same opinion as about half of my office, which is that although remaining would be better we have to brexit because the prime minister said so and it's basically illegal to not do what the prime minister says, parliament only exists to help the prime minister do the things they want to do and therefore all of the MPs voting against "brexit right now as fast as possible" are breaking the rules and should be punished.
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OwlFancier posted:Lol if you think liberals are that introspective or give that much of a poo poo about reality. But they do tacitly acknowledge it, thats what the whole 'corbyn didn't campaign hard enough for remain' angle was, they do understand on some level that he's a strong campaigner. I think the root is that they are deeply incapable of understanding that manifestos/ideology/inspiring activism actually matters, their entire world-view is predicated on the establishment structural stuff, so they are trying to square a circle. They don't believe that the British working class could actually be lions rising after slumber, so his success was obviously some weird hypnosis power, so why he not use that to help us too  ????
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Nick Cohen (not a fan but this article is ok) in the Spectator. Paywall: https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/10/meet-dominic-slack-oxley-the-biggest-source-of-fake-news-in-britain/ Covers similar ground to the Peter Oborne article link I posted earlier: https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/british-journalists-have-become-part-of-johnsons-fake-news-machine/
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:
lmao peston is very loving salty about it https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1186749078408970247?s=20
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lol go on Robert, tell us how you really feel
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