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Look analysis and context is your job, I'm just a journalist, it's my job to repeat things that the government says to me, but do NOT accuse me of being a spokesperson for the government.
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Oct 22, 2019 23:16
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Nick Cohen (not a fan but this article is ok) in the Spectator. Full article below quote:Allow me to introduce Dominic Slack-Oxley. Never heard of him, I hear you cry. Oh but you have. You hear from him every time you pick up a newspaper or turn on the TV news. Slack-Oxley is everywhere. More than Facebook or Vladimir Putin, he is the most reliable source of fake news in Britain.
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Oct 22, 2019 23:16
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General election now, let's just have it out.
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Oct 22, 2019 23:18
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General election when the extension has actually been offered and accepted. I'm nervous about Labour's chances but it's gotta be done.
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Oct 22, 2019 23:26
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CGI Stardust posted:Full article below The biggest issue I have with this sort of poo poo is that it's all a question of semantics. If you call it "fake news", there's something apparently deservedly sneaky about putting news out there that isn't true. But if they bit the bullet and called it propaganda - which it is - you'd get the grimy proto-fascist undertones coming through nice and strong, and there's nothing smirk-worthy about using a word that invokes Himmler's name.
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Oct 22, 2019 23:28
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did we brexsit the brexit or what friends
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Oct 22, 2019 23:31
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blunt posted:
You're misreading the graph. 51% of anticapitalists voted leave, not 51% of leave voters were anticapitalists.
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Oct 22, 2019 23:39
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MrL_JaKiri posted:You're misreading the graph. 51% of anticapitalists voted leave, not 51% of leave voters were anticapitalists. You're right, my bad! And a little more hope was lost.
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Oct 22, 2019 23:41
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Maugrim posted:I'm nervous about Labour's chances but it's gotta be done. If you're nervous about Labours chances then best remedy is knock on some doors yourself to tip the dial in your local area and encourage others to do the same. And btw Labour lefts chances will always feel shaky, if they don't feel shaky it's because we're cucking. The right-wing press will always say old women should die in pools of their own poo poo if it allows tax cuts for the rich, the Guardian will always say young women should turn to prostitution to pay rent if their landlord is a woke vegan. There will never, ever be a perfect moment where the powers that be will allow us a fair shake, so let's just take the nearest opportunity for electoral change and fight the loving campaign.
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Oct 22, 2019 23:42
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Rarity posted:Yeah but you're pessimistic as gently caress so your predictions don't hold much value Pessimists are people too y'know  Anyway I am fully pessimism now about an election in the next 2 months resulting in anything buy Tories as the largest party but I'm also fine with that because I have enough wrestling to watch to help me ignore that reality for the next several years. So long as the power doesn't go out anyway
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Vitamin P posted:If you're nervous about Labours chances then best remedy is knock on some doors yourself to tip the dial in your local area and encourage others to do the same. but pete buttegieg is gay AND a troop
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bump_fn posted:did we brexsit the brexit or what friends If you watch BBC news one of their guest analysts has construed the vote for the bill on a second reading as "securing a majority in the house for the deal" and went on to say "I think [a general election] will be quite good for the tories. I think Labour were hoping to be able to go into the election campaign warning if you vote for Boris Johnson there's a risk of No Deal and actually what he has managed to do by getting that deal is take No Deal off the table."
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Azza Bamboo posted:If you watch BBC news one of their guest analysts has construed the vote for the bill on a second reading as "securing a majority in the house for the deal" and went on to say "I think [a general election] will be quite good for the tories. I think Labour were hoping to be able to go into the election campaign warning if you vote for Boris Johnson there's a risk of No Deal and actually what he has managed to do by getting that deal is take No Deal off the table." 
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Really, really not seeing why people are fully convinced Labour's absolutely doomed in the election. It'd be bollocks to argue that we've got it in the bag and there's nothing to worry about etc. etc.. There's risks and dangers and threats that need to be managed. But the Tories are in massive disarray, Farage is already howling and BXP will eat a bunch of rabid Brexiteer votes, Johnson's about to have his claims about how he's totally going to Brexit on October 31st come hell or high water thrown out of the window, they've lost the DUP, and once election reporting rules kick in it's going to be a gently caress of a lot harder for the media to chat poo poo about the whole situation. Last time around May was, supposedly, an historically popular PM who had courage and vision and all that shite and we were doomsaying until the very second the first BBC exit poll dropped. We need to fight and fight hard, and take nothing for granted, but there's no reason at this stage to be talking about how the Tories are on the cusp of some kind of absolutely massive majority.
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i feel so completely detached from brexit news while im out of town but also im terrified of getting sick or injured cause im not sure i set up our work travel insurance properly and what if i have to deal with the american healthcare system again
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My main concern about Labour is just from listening to people and talking to people around me. While I obviously haven't gathered enough people for a poll, the mood seems to be that Corbyn is unfashionable. He's not cool. Labour is a dirty word. There is a lot of Tory hate around but voicing it isn't as acceptable out in public. I'm curious really because this seat (Lincoln) is consistently Con/Lab marginal with about 1500 votes in it usually. Azza Bamboo fucked around with this message at 00:00 on Oct 23, 2019 |
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Oct 22, 2019 23:57
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OwlFancier posted:My political position is that I really want guy verhofstadt to notice my politeness in his twitter feed and then do me up the arse bent over the EU parliament benches. well gotta respect that when you go for ugly, you don't accept a half-measure. though if you want to look him in the eyes during, that position's not good for your back
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Azza Bamboo posted:My main concern about Labour is just from listening to people and talking to people around me. While I obviously haven't gathered enough people for a poll, the mood seems to be that Corbyn is unfashionable. He's not cool. Labour is a dirty word. On the other hand, Jezza can appear on stage at a music festival and have the entire crowd chanting his name. I do think Labour's star has faded in the last few months though, I hope there's a way to revive it when they can start really bringing the messages to the public at large. Do we actually know when we're going to hear back from the EU on extension matters?
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Azza Bamboo posted:If you watch BBC news one of their guest analysts has construed the vote for the bill on a second reading as Wh... OK so these people do know that if we have a general election the bill gets reset right, they do know how legislation works in this country?
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Azza Bamboo posted:My main concern about Labour is just from listening to people and talking to people around me. While I obviously haven't gathered enough people for a poll, the mood seems to be that Corbyn is unfashionable. He's not cool. Labour is a dirty word. If your main concern is that Labour isn't cool then congrats on being a dumb baby I guess? The trick is think about the issues that matter to you and then start fighting a little for them, you might be pleasantly surprised at how much cut-through you get when people experience an actually engaged person rather than passive news and you might be surprised when listening to them ends inspiring you too.
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It's just the noes to the left And then the yeas to the right With the votes on your deal You whip your MPs in tight But it's the dither and delay That really drives you insane Let's do the Brexit again Let's do the Brexit again
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Oct 23, 2019 00:18
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so when people ask me "why does thing happening seem to cause you crippling depression" I just look at them with an expression of slightly more crippling depression
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Ms Adequate posted:Really, really not seeing why people are fully convinced Labour's absolutely doomed in the election. Fuckin this. Labour have a great ground game that will kick into high gear the second a GE is announced. We should all be getting involved when that happens. e: Even if you're super introverted and you're not quite ready to open your front door, you can tweet about Labour all day/every day, offer to be a social media officer for your local Labour branch. NinpoEspiritoSanto fucked around with this message at 00:36 on Oct 23, 2019 |
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Vitamin P posted:If your main concern is that Labour isn't cool then congrats on being a dumb baby I guess? The trick is think about the issues that matter to you and then start fighting a little for them, you might be pleasantly surprised at how much cut-through you get when people experience an actually engaged person rather than passive news and you might be surprised when listening to them ends inspiring you too. I talk about workers rights, the welfare state, housing, scrapping tuition fees, jobs in green energy and public sector jobs. This area has huge exploitative warehouses, factories, has seen its housing stock dumped into the private market, has a thriving university, has one of the nation's largest engineering facilities for wind turbine components (which it relies on exporting to the EU) and its NHS trusts are struggling, its councils are struggling and it has a huge amount of military influence by means of being surrounded by no fewer than 3 RAF airbases. My passions don't come from reading a manifesto, they come from listening to people around me. I don't just shy away when someone tells me who they are and that they don't like Jeremy. I don't preach, either. I just try to be honest in whatever conversation comes up, or maybe bring up a conversation if there's nothing else to talk about. I do sense, though, that I am perceived as an outsider and once the other person cottons on that I'm favouring a political party they simply want to put me in the jezz bin. That's what has me worried. I only see a handful of the people around me talking kindly of Labour, and the Lib Dems seem to be getting positive words although one of the veteran pissbirds I know says she wants rid of Jo Swinson. Azza Bamboo fucked around with this message at 00:54 on Oct 23, 2019 |
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I don't think we're doomed or anything, I feel really positive about the actual socialist policies that are going to be in the manifesto, and the fact that the public genuinely liked those policies last time around. What I worry about is that Labour were held back in 2017 by the wreckers in the PLP, and while many of them are gone now or standing down, there are still some left. The Lib Dems were also more or less a nonentity in 2017 whereas now they are specifically targeting Labour as a route back to relevancy (and the press are desperate to push this) even if it enables an overall Tory win. There's also zero sign of any improvement for Scottish Labour (although any gains there would probably be against the SNP so it doesn't affect kicking out the Tories). Those popular socialist policies also might not be worth as much if this election is framed as a a Brexit election, which both the Tories and the Lib Dems are going to be pushing at every possible opportunity.
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Oct 23, 2019 00:53
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You might just be speaking to a lot of assholes.
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Oct 23, 2019 00:53
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Lol labour. Lol corbyn. Lol Britain. Hell(o) brexit.
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It's just an anecdotal example, but here's how a conversation with a coworker went last week. We were chatting about Brexit, and he told me that he doesn't follow politics and doesn't have much interest in it BUT immediately afterwards, he told me about his 'lifelong Labour voter' uncle who has told him that Corbyn is a 'weasel oval office' who only wants to stop Brexit and has tried to stop it every step of the way. He just accepted that as fact. I would once upon a time have decided not to engage on the topic when someone so vehemently holds the opposite opinion to me, especially a coworker, but I decided to see what he actually knew about the Parliamentary arithmetic etc. Like how the ERG were the ones who originally wrecked the government's majority and how it's a bit ridiculous to suggest Corbyn's at fault when he's never actually been in charge of the process. He listened mostly in silence, just telling me how he doesn't pay any attention to any of that stuff and how he just listens to his Dad and Uncle 'cos they know more than him etc. Then, just like every time I get talking to someone who has this irrational hatred of Corbyn, I started telling him about Labour policy - and that's when he started actually getting interested. Asking me questions, genuinely taking it in. And that's what gives me some hope - it doesn't take much to cut through the bullshit and the lies if you actually engage with people. Labour's policies are surefire winners for the VAST majority of this country, if only they can just be persuaded to actually listen to what they are.
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Bardeh posted:It's just an anecdotal example, but here's how a conversation with a coworker went last week. We were chatting about Brexit, and he told me that he doesn't follow politics and doesn't have much interest in it BUT immediately afterwards, he told me about his 'lifelong Labour voter' uncle who has told him that Corbyn is a 'weasel oval office' who only wants to stop Brexit and has tried to stop it every step of the way. He just accepted that as fact. I would once upon a time have decided not to engage on the topic when someone so vehemently holds the opposite opinion to me, especially a coworker, but I decided to see what he actually knew about the Parliamentary arithmetic etc. Like how the ERG were the ones who originally wrecked the government's majority and how it's a bit ridiculous to suggest Corbyn's at fault when he's never actually been in charge of the process. He listened mostly in silence, just telling me how he doesn't pay any attention to any of that stuff and how he just listens to his Dad and Uncle 'cos they know more than him etc. Then, just like every time I get talking to someone who has this irrational hatred of Corbyn, I started telling him about Labour policy - and that's when he started actually getting interested. Asking me questions, genuinely taking it in. I've had a few conversations like this, unfortunately working in IT a lot of my honestly decent colleagues are very sensible centrist can't we all just get along types, but are acutely aware that people worse off are being poo poo on. I've found it fruitful to lead with how poo poo the media is and how little they report on Labour then yeah, go right into policies. Fortunately a good number of my colleagues are northerners, so there's always that latent Thatcher hatred you can draw out. Another good in I've found with my particular employment circle is there's often a complaint along the lines of "I wouldn't mind my taxes if they got loving spent on anything <cue how poo poo the NHS is, how bad roads are etc>" which is a nice path down to the rich fuckers we work for paying their share and the funds actually being used for infrastructure rather than lining rich Tory shite pockets. You'd be surprised how many melts have just got kids they worry about and they barely scraped together the house they went four fold into debt for. Labour policy resonates with a lot of folks but it gets no loving mainstream coverage. Talk to people. NinpoEspiritoSanto fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Oct 23, 2019 |
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Oct 23, 2019 01:28
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Ufft the thread was more fun last night
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Christmas election eh A guess: CON single largest party but hung parliament, LAB/LDEM/SNP c&s govt
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Azza Bamboo posted:While I obviously haven't gathered enough people for a poll, the mood seems to be that Corbyn is unfashionable. He's not cool. Compared to noted cool guys like BoJo and Gove?
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People thinking they're too cool for politics is a thing unfortunately, one of the many brands of idiocy that has been instilled into people by capitalism.
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Random Integer posted:Compared to noted cool guys like BoJo and Gove? Bojo and Gove are authentic dudes with bling and SWAG who don't give a gently caress. Corbyn is a square old dude who likes jam and drives around in the care car.
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ronya posted:Christmas election eh What makes you think the lib dems would prop up Corbyn? They'd pretty clearly collapse and anti-tory coalition on account of being Tories
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