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Robot Hobo posted:Plenty of reasons, but the main one is that private prisons are profitable. Private prison companies want more profit, so they influence (bribe) politicians into finding ways to put more people in prison for longer sentences on the smallest of crimes. Private prison profits drive a lot of our law-writing these days. The USA has a higher percentage of our people in prison than almost any other country entirely because someone makes a lot of money off of each one. Public prisons have the same problem. The prison guard union in California was the biggest driver behind the prison boom there and the three strikes law. That was all public unions. Private prisons are usually shittier than public ones though. Just saying rooting out all private prisons isn’t going to stop the mass incarceration problem or even put the brakes on it.
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Absolutely no one is saying that abolishing private prisons alone will magically fix mass incarceration everywhere. But it’s a major part of feedback loop that needs to be felt with if we want to have a hope of making the justice system better. Your question was “why do we not like private prisons?” and that’s been pretty thoroughly answered.
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Stickman posted:Absolutely no one is saying that abolishing private prisons alone will magically fix mass incarceration everywhere. But it’s a major part of feedback loop that needs to be felt with if we want to have a hope of making the justice system better. Your question was “why do we not like private prisons?” and that’s been pretty thoroughly answered. It’s not really a major part of the feedback loop. Prison system is hosed before private prisons came around and will be hosed still if we get rid of every single one. The feedback loop is that people want prisons to be lovely, they want people to get raped, and they’d rather beat people with sticks than rehabilitate them even if it makes them less safe. I didn’t ask why people didn’t like private prisons I asked why are you so gung ho about them? I haven’t heard any solid arguments that private prisons are a bigger issue than say prison rape, police discrimination or any one of the myriad other issues we have to tackle.
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Oct 23, 2019 09:19
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https://twitter.com/uschamber/status/1184926141158526976?s=21 Oh no the people on the real life death panels standing between sick people and medicine are gonna lose their jobs
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DeeplyConcerned posted:It’s not really a major part of the feedback loop. Prison system is hosed before private prisons came around and will be hosed still if we get rid of every single one. Well, public prisons don’t spend millions of dollars lobbying against prison and judicial reform (though their increasingly-prevalent private subcontractors do and that’s another problem). You might be able to come up with some reasons why “why do we do talk about bad thing when there’s also other bad things” is a silly argument on your own. Stickman fucked around with this message at 09:43 on Oct 23, 2019 |
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Omobono posted:Running scared rear end in a top hat? While your statement is true, classically you use italics for emphasis, not underlines.
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Oct 23, 2019 09:50
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beejay posted:Are those bats? haveblue posted:They're birds, presumably tweeting Timmy Age 6 posted:I have to echo evilweasel here and say if you haven't read Taylor's statement, you should go do that right now. 
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Oct 23, 2019 09:55
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I do not want to give a private organisation the degree of power over a person that prison involves, under any circumstances whatsoever.
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Oct 23, 2019 10:17
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Timmy Age 6 posted:I have to echo evilweasel here and say if you haven't read Taylor's statement, you should go do that right now. This poo poo is loving crazy, they are incredibly bad at this, and it is absolutely bonkers that you can BE this bad at this and it still be this hard to do anything about it.
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Oct 23, 2019 10:31
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Christ Jesus that's a statement and a half.
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Oct 23, 2019 10:47
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https://twitter.com/BGrueskin/status/1186953107714068481 removal at +2, approval at -20
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The Lone Badger posted:I do not want to give a private organisation the degree of power over a person that prison involves, under any circumstances whatsoever.
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eke out posted:https://twitter.com/BGrueskin/status/1186953107714068481
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DeeplyConcerned posted:Private prisons are usually shittier than public ones though. The quality of the prisons themselves isn't the issue, it's that a profit-incentive structure will inflate their populations edit - there may well be some quality issues too of course
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Oct 23, 2019 12:06
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Charlz Guybon posted:Nixon's high was 58% wasn't it? Getting close to that. Trump won’t resign like Nixon though. He’ll have to be drug out of the White House kicking and screaming all while live tweeting on his phone about PRESIDENTIAL HARASSMENT!
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Spiffster posted:Trump won’t resign like Nixon though. He’ll have to be drug out of the White House kicking and screaming all while live tweeting on his phone about PRESIDENTIAL HARASSMENT! Absolutely. When it seriously looks like they will lose the Senate (and there is already talk of dem's improving chances), the Republicans will try to cut their losses and ask trump to resign. After he refuses, he goes right to Twitter to tell everyone about how the senate Republicans tried to get him to leave. This may also split the Republican party: trump will still have high support by Republicans to be sure, so this will be seen as a betrayal of trump and skullfuck turnout next year, leading to the biggest rout in american election history. Please god let this be what happens.
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Meatball posted:This may also split the Republican party: trump will still have high support by Republicans to be sure, so this will be seen as a betrayal of trump and skullfuck turnout next year, leading to the biggest rout in american election history. I've said this a few times but all the other would be right wing demagogues like Buchanan, Gingrich, and Palin just kinda faded away and never tried to antagonize the GOP. Trump will literally Never Log Off.
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Oct 23, 2019 12:29
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I actually love being removed from office by 66 Perfect Senators.
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The Lone Badger posted:I do not want to give a private organisation the degree of power over a person that prison involves, under any circumstances whatsoever. Just to dogpile a little, don't forget that the paragons of public service can also be incredibly corrupt. *any* financial incentive to treat vulnerable populations in an 'economically efficient way' will always end badly. https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/03/14/593204274/alabama-sheriff-legally-took-750-000-meant-to-feed-inmates-bought-beach-house
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Speaking of Trump never logging off... https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1186850642901557248 https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1186856554055852035 https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1186856923636948993 https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1186857437657214976 https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1186959459878350848 https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1186968579125792768
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FizFashizzle posted:I've said this a few times but all the other would be right wing demagogues like Buchanan, Gingrich, and Palin just kinda faded away and never tried to antagonize the GOP. He won't log off but he also can't resist being a 2-bit scammer so he'd probably do something like start a Trump Presidential Leadership Seminar series, only $3000 per seat!
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I realise this is a book review and not like a stand alone academic study but I offer you all Craig Gilmore's "On the Business of Incarceration" which makes a case that opposing private prisons is not nearly enough, and notes that 4 of 5 the states that have done away with private prisons actually have increasing incarceration numbers.
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Willo567 posted:Speaking of Trump never logging off... This is directly refuted by Taylor's testimony and I hope this loving tweet is included in an article of impeachment for continuing obstruction.
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Oct 23, 2019 12:57
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Willo567 posted:Speaking of Trump never logging off... Not that I think he's even trying to be clever, and we're way past being "technically honest" , but you've got to admire the "Wrong, I never even discussed this with them" when the original tweet just says that he's privately testing the idea. Weird look angry tweeting 24/7 about a dead case, then
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FizFashizzle posted:Also doesn't that tweet kind of admit it? Yeah we're at the "i did it, and it wasn't illegal" part of the narcissist's prayer.
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Oh yeah, the big dick toilet guy was the acting AG for a little bit. I completely forgot about him.
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I’m the double space after the clearly pasted-in “Sycamore “.
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I'm telling you, Trump knows what quid pro quo means about as much as he knows what a tariff is. He just thinks that if you repeat "no quo" a lot "no homo" style then all parties have to pretend that what's obviously happening isn't.
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Tibalt posted:Oh yeah, the big dick toilet guy was the acting AG for a little bit. I completely forgot about him.
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Phobic Nest posted:I'm telling you, Trump knows what quid pro quo means about as much as he knows what a tariff is. He just thinks that if you repeat "no quo" a lot "no homo" style then all parties have to pretend that what's obviously happening isn't. Was just about to post this. He's just quoting someone saying fancy Latin words that sound good for him, and going WHERE IS THE WHISTLEBLOWER because that's the only thing he can grasp about this, something about a bad guy called a "whistleblower" who is basically a "leaker" like all the ones he yelled about for the first year of his term.
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It's good to know that they've invented a computer that can tally all of the Trump crimes.
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Jealous Cow posted:I’m the double space after the clearly pasted-in “Sycamore “. I'm the "and 3 min 20 sec" instead of "in 3 min 20 sec". The computational complexity understander has logged on Alternatively I'm the nationalistic "supremacy" framing on a thing which should be hailed as an achievement for, like, humanity or something
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It’s so exhausting to deal with an opposition that literally doesn’t care at all about facts or reality. I spent my entire life wondering how people could go along with Nazism but we get to see 35% of our electorate who would’ve gladly aligned with Hitler every day. So discouraging.
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LeeMajors posted:It’s so exhausting to deal with an opposition that literally doesn’t care at all about facts or reality. If it makes you feel better, most of the likely Nazis are going to be dead within 20-30 years
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Quoting Charlie Kirk. Sir, have you no sense of shame? Have you no decency?
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