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Solkanar512 posted:Zuckerberg live in Congress. Anyone watching that posts highlights for those of us who have it blocked at work would have my thanks 
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syntaxrigger posted:Anyone watching that posts highlights for those of us who have it blocked at work would have my thanks https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/1187014184581636096
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pkay posted:He isn't resigning...ever. Trump isn't Nixon. Nixon was evil but he wasnt mentally ill. Trump isn't even really a Republican. He'll burn the party down if they turn on him and the Senate Republicans know this. They will never allow him to be removed from office. At this point Trump could literally eat a baby on live TV and his supporters would excuse it as long as the baby was brown.
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TVs Ian posted:Dems also don't have a candidate yet, so that number is the "hyped for anybody but Trump" number. I am reading this as more R's are excited to vote than Dem's. There are probably more Dem's but the way this is not broken out by party, it's hard to say why people are excited to vote. I have honestly seen a lot of chud's I'm related to start forming ranks behind the pres and pledging to vote, so I'm taking this all with a grain of salt
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Shifty Pony posted:No the idea is to get boomers all "yeah, put it to those drat liberal colleges! Here's my email to keep me up to date on owning the libs! Take my money!" Precisely. College students don't have money, the grift is in telling old people that their donations are turning young people conservative
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Check this out https://twitter.com/williamjordann/status/1187015074226946048 Yeah, Dems are in a strong position.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Check this out There's still not a dem candidate either lol.
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this is an inevitable outgrowth of trump's legal position but i think i'd have tried to finagle not giving a straight answer rather than state it outright https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1187018257980710917
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Check this out Ah, thanks! Not to get into primarychat but lets hope that enthusiasm won't be dampened by Warren or Bernie being the candidate
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Solaris 2.0 posted:Republicans ARE enthusiastic as well, it's why they retained the senate. However, there are far more people who hate the President and are enthusiastic about voting him out than there are MAGA chuds. That to me was the lesson of 2018. yep, and as a reminder, the senate seats up for grabs in 2020 were selected by 37% of RVs in 2014
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ewiley posted:I am reading this as more R's are excited to vote than Dem's. There are probably more Dem's but the way this is not broken out by party, it's hard to say why people are excited to vote. I have honestly seen a lot of chud's I'm related to start forming ranks behind the pres and pledging to vote, so I'm taking this all with a grain of salt Chuds will always close ranks because the "moderate voter" is a giant lie. People lean in a direction and typically stick with it. Also chuds are in complete sunk cost fallacy at this point, even if they aren't insanely stupid racists
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Oct 23, 2019 15:53
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Can they actually do this?
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Don’t forget that Republicans had extremely strong turnout in 2018. They were very enthused. It’s just that the Dems had absolutely historic turnout. 2020 will likely go the same way.
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Oct 23, 2019 15:54
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Willo567 posted:Can they actually do this? Not under current senate rules
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Oct 23, 2019 15:55
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SirPablo posted:Republicans have their orange goblin to rally around right now. Dems are still parking the clown car. Tons of time for enthusiasm to change. its not clear to me that you would expect dem enthusiasm to go up after a candidate is selected or not. i can easily argue both positions: right now, you can easily think that your candidate will be the nominee and be enthused about voting for them, letting any of (biden, bernie, warren) voters be enthusiastic about voting, while when only one of those three (or none) is actually the nominee, you might see some drop-off from the supporters of the failed candidates. alternatively, yeah, having a single candidate could hype people up once they come around after the primary.
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Willo567 posted:Can they actually do this? Not without a majority of the senate attaching their names to it.
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Willo567 posted:Can they actually do this? they can move to dismiss the charges on a majority-rules vote asap, but i think the best interpretation of mitch saying "no seriously, we're having a trial" is that at least three vulnerable republicans have told him they're not down with that approach and need to go through the motions of a full trial at a bare minimum.
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evilweasel posted:this is an inevitable outgrowth of trump's legal position but i think i'd have tried to finagle not giving a straight answer rather than state it outright PSA. By this logic, Trump could murder senators and become immune to removal from office.
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Oct 23, 2019 15:57
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The moment there's a formal trial in the Senate Trump's gonna absolutely lose his mind. I mean, even more than now.
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evilweasel posted:its not clear to me that you would expect dem enthusiasm to go up after a candidate is selected or not. i can easily argue both positions: right now, you can easily think that your candidate will be the nominee and be enthused about voting for them, letting any of (biden, bernie, warren) voters be enthusiastic about voting, while when only one of those three (or none) is actually the nominee, you might see some drop-off from the supporters of the failed candidates. alternatively, yeah, having a single candidate could hype people up once they come around after the primary. perhaps, but "gently caress trump" alone seems to be an extremely strong motivation.
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Oct 23, 2019 15:58
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Meatball posted:I think they're going to ask him to resign when support for impeachment matches nixon. I think were really close to that now. I want to say it reached high 50s before he resigned and were at about 55 now. I don't agree. I think the paradigm has shifted enough that the situation now is no longer analogous to Nixon. I don't think there is any % of support that causes Republicans to jump ship now. They'll ride it out to whatever conclusion and hope for the best.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Don’t forget that Republicans had extremely strong turnout in 2018. They were very enthused. It’s just that the Dems had absolutely historic turnout. It's good, there's hope. And I will take absolutely nothing for granted and will be funneling whatever I can to DSA, justice dems and the Democrats party in that order.
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https://twitter.com/burgessev/status/1187017238626406405 well that's not great news for ol' don, when they're basically saying "we're hoping against hope there's lots of exonerating evidence our republican friends on the committee have failed to leak"
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Unponderable posted:PSA. By this logic, Trump could murder senators and become immune to removal from office. He'd have to murder all of them, the conviction vote is based on members present.
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DandyLion posted:I don't agree. I think the paradigm has shifted enough that the situation now is no longer analogous to Nixon. I don't think there is any % of support that causes Republicans to jump ship now. They'll ride it out to whatever conclusion and hope for the best. Nah, as soon as (and if) polling starts to show that Trump's continuing existence is a risk to their reelection chances they'll turn fast
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oxsnard posted:perhaps, but "gently caress trump" alone seems to be an extremely strong motivation. certainly. I do not have the data to come to a conclusion about if current dem enthusiasm is a ceiling or floor and don't want to suggest i do, i just see good enough arguments either way that i would not trust someone simply assuming one or the other without seeing the data.
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ewiley posted:Ah, thanks! Not to get into primarychat but lets hope that enthusiasm won't be dampened by Warren or Bernie being the candidate Go donate to one or both of them and do your part of evangelizing then, you weenie. The projections are in both of their respective favor so go convince somebody in your life to like them more if you’re worried about their electability.
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Oct 23, 2019 16:03
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still think the single biggest factor behind Trump's win was the pollster modeling circle jerk assuring us that he didn't stand a chance
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https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1187007731506597888 https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1187017773337268229
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Au Revoir Shosanna posted:https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1187007731506597888
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Is impeachment conviction a simple majority or 2/3s
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Is impeachment conviction a simple majority or 2/3s It's a majority for the house to impeach, 2/3rds for the senate to convict.
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I think it's hilarious that the Democrats are infuriating Republicans with this closed door investigation stuff, considering it's a direct response to the clown show the Republicans made of the investigations into election interference and the Benghazi bullshit before that.
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AmiYumi posted:So at what point does this count as interference/obstruction? Not that anything will happen, just wondering. Oh goody Matt DUI Gaetz leading the way  Doesn't this poo poo qualify for censure or removal for essentially leading an (admittedly hilarious) attempted coup?
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oxsnard posted:Nah, as soon as (and if) polling starts to show that Trump's continuing existence is a risk to their reelection chances they'll turn fast But what if abandoning him is projected to have just as many deleterious downstream affects as continued support? Kind of feels like they're stuck between a rock and a hard place, and I'd imagine inaction is easier and more likely than concerted combined efforts to distance themselves.
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Oct 23, 2019 16:09
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It's all about public performing for daddy Trump favor
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SchrodingersCat posted:I think it's hilarious that the Democrats are infuriating Republicans with this closed door investigation stuff, considering it's a direct response to the clown show the Republicans made of the investigations into election interference and the Benghazi bullshit before that. Please, the republicans aren’t feeling any emotions over this, it’s just theatrics.
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TulliusCicero posted:Oh goody Matt DUI Gaetz leading the way matt gaetz is the one who committed textbook witness intimidation trying to shut michael cohen up
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