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zoux posted:I'd like to see the Navy pilot's face as some marine jumps in his F4U and takes off. At least it'll solve the age old question of katana vs. sticky bomb "It's a bomb on a stick, a sticky bomb."
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Phanatic posted:"It's a bomb on a stick, a sticky bomb." "Cherry Bomb" by The Runaways plays as the guy in Saving Private Ryan blows himself up.
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zoux posted:Speaking of history video games, this is an interesting application. AC: Odyssey added a discovery mode that lets you just walk around their city models. It's alright? I felt like every town in that game basically looked the same aside from Athens and Sparta. It was a real shame, since it included a lot of obscure city-states that don't usually make the public eye like Delphi or Argos.
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I have a lot of weird glimpses about the gulf wars in my early memory. I recall news anchors saying with certainty that the Iraqi army placed persisting VX bombs under bridges and in tunnels where the marines were expected to advance. gently caress, no effort was spared in making them look like monsters.
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vains posted:one guy on 1 team will have joystick/rudder controls and gently caress everyone else up from an airplane. Camp the enemy hangar for 30 minutes and c4 the plane when it spawns to prevent this problem
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I think the controversy is more that until recently in games you just played as the Honourable No Different From Their Enemies Except Very Elite (But Less So Than The SS) And Also All The Best Guns And Tanks Wehrmacht and now for some reason people are more interested in something resembling the actual Wehrmacht.
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SeanBeansShako posted:First video game ever to use the pigeon guided missile sincerely. Nah, that's the ASM-N-2 Bat which is a perfectly normal radar guided glide bomb. Being used against land for some reason (it did not do well at this in real life)
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Tias posted:I have a lot of weird glimpses about the gulf wars in my early memory. I recall news anchors saying with certainty that the Iraqi army placed persisting VX bombs under bridges and in tunnels where the marines were expected to advance. gently caress, no effort was spared in making them look like monsters.
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xthetenth posted:Nah, that's the ASM-N-2 Bat which is a perfectly normal radar guided glide bomb. I was corrected by the esoteric missile master.
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HEY GUNS posted:we were talking about this in the discord and it was fascinating to compare cessna's memories (a soldier at the time) to mine (a small child). they fully expected that most of the US forces would die, and everyone was utterly shocked when the Iraqui army just folded I don't know about "most," but the initial assault's troops weren't going to have an easy time of it. For the war itself I was with a unit called OCD-1, Obstacle Clearing Detachment. We were an ad-hoc roughly platoon sized unit made of engineers, blade tanks (tanks with dozer blades), and AAVs with explosive line charges whose job it was to [strike]throw our bodies across[/strike] clear the minefields they'd set up between the border and Kuwait City. We knew we were screwed. As it is, yes, the war ended a lot faster then we expected. I thought that it would take us a few weeks, maybe a month to get to Kuwait City (if I survived), but it ended up taking us four days. We fought pretty much the whole way, but I remember thinking that maybe we were being suckered into a trap. It turns out that we weren't. That's me on the far right: 
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zoux posted:When you signed up did you think you'd ever be deployed in an actual shooting war If you don’t consider that a possibility when joining then I don’t know know what to tell you. Hell I joined the navy reserves as an IT knowing drat well from talking to people I could end up as a gunner on a convoy in the desert.
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zoux posted:When you signed up did you think you'd ever be deployed in an actual shooting war I understood that it was a possibility, sure. But I was also a dumb kid, so...
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Was being the one idiot with a foofy helmet on, open jacket, and wacky pose part of your job, or were you just born to be a goon-marine?
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Also, how do they decide who gets an M203 (and what are you holding)
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You show that man some respect. His dick gun is the biggest of all of them
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SeanBeansShako posted:Yeah I am happy to see dumb goofy poo poo in that games trailer rather than trying to pretend they care about the realism and blood letting because the game franchise is video game action fictions being mushed into the dirt. No, but beware that the latest Hearts of Iron has Paradox's newer model of DLC delivery, which hides a lot of interesting, useful, or necessary things behind DLC, which costs 20$ per DLC pack, with a minimum of 4 that must be purchased. Its fine if you get it on sale, otherwise, only get Paradox games off-sale if you hate money. Jobbo_Fett fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Oct 23, 2019 |
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Milo and POTUS posted:You show that man some respect. His dick gun is the biggest of all of them I guess I didn't realize we were still using lancers in GW1
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Was being the one idiot with a foofy helmet on, open jacket, and wacky pose part of your job, or were you just born to be a goon-marine? I'd lost my watch-cap somewhere, so I wore a kevlar helmet. I stuck that cammie-net on it to keep my neck from getting sunburned worse than it was. And that's a flak-jacket over nomex. I've got the M-85 out of the TC's position because I was TC and because I was a dumb 20 year old kid. I thought I'd mentioned the dumb kid part earlier?
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I was in elementary school during the first Gulf War and I remember us all being made to write letters to The Troops. I most likely drew fighter jets on mine.
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FuturePastNow posted:I was in elementary school during the first Gulf War and I remember us all being made to write letters to The Troops. I know this may sound a bit silly and maudlin, but we really appreciated those letters. We got mail from home about every other or every third day. Some guys didn't have a lot of family to write to them, so the platoon sergeants made sure those guys got extra "little kid letters." We didn't always have the time or opportunity to write back, but it was always nice to get a message from the real world. Just knowing that there were people going about their lives, going to school, made for a nice break from sweating and training.
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FuturePastNow posted:I was in elementary school during the first Gulf War and I remember us all being made to write letters to The Troops. I had to do that in the second. I remember drawing US, UK, Texas, Confederate, and French flags, and a whole bunch of dead people with cartoony gore. Also my cousin ended up getting crippled in Iraq around while I was doodling, but I didn't know that until after.
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Cessna posted:I know this may sound a bit silly and maudlin, but we really appreciated those letters. Hey Cessna I really appreciate your posts, especially your experiences in the Gulf War which is a conflict which has fascinated me greatly. I sort of see it as the "final" battle of the cold war that solidified the power of the United States and the beginning of a new geo-political era. For better or for worse.
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zoux posted:Also, how do they decide who gets an M203 (and what are you holding) m203s go to fireteam leaders and squad leaders, generally. from time to time, units experiment with making a designated grenadier. some of the old timers from my company were in the lav platoons following the breaching vehicles in desert storm. 
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Cessna posted:I know this may sound a bit silly and maudlin, but we really appreciated those letters. On the subject of the mail something i have come across was that the Saudi censors really wanted to get into the coalition mail system in order to check letters and parcels for bibles, girlie mags and Christmas decorations. It was decided to let them into the mail operation upon which the like 20 or so members of the Saudi religious police that came along walk in the door and come face to face with the 4 C-5 galaxy flights a day worth of mail and parcels that was delivered (Something like 3-400 tons of mail). They gave up fairly quickly.
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Polyakov posted:On the subject of the mail something i have come across was that the Saudi censors really wanted to get into the coalition mail system in order to check letters and parcels for bibles, girlie mags and Christmas decorations. It was decided to let them into the mail operation upon which the like 20 or so members of the Saudi religious police that came along walk in the door and come face to face with the 4 C-5 galaxy flights a day worth of mail and parcels that was delivered (Something like 3-400 tons of mail). They gave up fairly quickly. Haha, but also why was the US going to permit that.
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vains posted:lav platoons following the breaching vehicles in desert storm.
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zoux posted:I guess I didn't realize we were still using lancers in GW1 The lances reach out a couple of kilometers
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zoux posted:Haha, but also why was the US going to permit that. There is a whole song and dance (and i mean REALLY elaborate) that the hosue of Saud are doing. Remember that until 2004 Jews werent allowed to enter Saudi Arabia, non muslims are still not allowed in Mecca and parts of Medina. I dont think non muslims were allowed into Medina until the 2000's, maps of Saudi Arabia even are sufficiently sensetive topics that T-Shirts being sold with maps of Saudi Arabia were brought up in a meeting between the US and Saudi commanders in chief (Norman Schawzkopf and Prince Khalid). A significant Iraqi propaganda message is about non Muslims and non Arabs in the holy land going to go and defile up a storm, the structure of Saudi society is loving nuuuuuts. So you have the house of Saud who really want the US there, and are fighting a significant internal battle against the really nutty Islamists to do it. The US also wants to be there but they and the House of Saud together are having to try to keep things to the state where these clerics arent going to try and overthrow the government. So in that context i suspect it was a nice confluence of just let them wear themselves out on this so we dont have to have the very difficult conversation about say Jewish US service members having their services in the kingdom (For reference that was solved in part by flying them out into the gulf to worship there.) Or the slightly (but only slightly) less vicious topic of Christian ceremonies. Polyakov fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Oct 23, 2019 |
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zoux posted:Haha, but also why was the US going to permit that. Probably diplomatically easier to prove the job is futile than to deny them the access.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:Probably diplomatically easier to prove the job is futile than to deny them the access.
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Polyakov posted:There is a whole song and dance (and i mean REALLY elaborate) that the hosue of Saud are doing. Remember that until 2004 Jews werent allowed to enter Saudi Arabia, non muslims are still not allowed in Mecca and parts of Medina. I dont think non muslims were allowed into Medina until the 2000's, maps of Saudi Arabia even are sufficiently sensetive topics that T-Shirts being sold with maps of Saudi Arabia were brought up in a meeting between the US and Saudi commanders in chief (Norman Schawzkopf and Prince Khalid). A significant Iraqi propaganda message is about non Muslims and non Arabs in the holy land going to go and defile up a storm. So you have the house of Saud who really want the US there, and are fighting a significant internal battle against the really nutty Islamists to do it. The US also wants to be there but they and the House of Saud together are having to try to keep things to the state where these clerics arent going to try and overthrow the government. So in that context i suspect it was a nice confluence of just let them wear themselves out on this so we dont have to have the very difficult conversation about say Jewish US service members having their services in the kingdom (For reference that was solved in part by flying them out into the gulf to worship there.) Or the slightly (but only slightly) less vicious topic of Christian ceremonies. Oh, and OBL was one of these nutty Islamists, right? I've never really read up on him but I understand he was radicalized by the "misdeeds" of US service members stationed in KSA during Desert Storm. Were there legit abuses of civilians by troops or was it just our decadent Western ways.
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Polyakov posted:On the subject of the mail something i have come across was that the Saudi censors really wanted to get into the coalition mail system in order to check letters and parcels for bibles Why these? I thought Islam acknowledged both the old and new testaments (as in Jesus was a prophet).
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Jesus the prophet who got zapped into heaven doesn't quite gel with the whole sacrifice and resurrection for are sins thing if you're an islamic extremist state. Us jews do the same things, except Israel has to maintain the pretense of democracy to keep all the Uncle Sam bucks coming, so we don't get to be as blatant as Saudi Arabia. Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 19:41 on Oct 23, 2019 |
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feedmegin posted:Why these? I thought Islam acknowledged both the old and new testaments (as in Jesus was a prophet). And Christian white supremacists acknowledge the old Testament Epicurius posted:In theory, Christians are allowed to have a bible for their private use, but having more then one bible or displaying bibles publically are considered proselytizing, and it's illegal in Saudi Arabia to proselytize any religion other than Islam.
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feedmegin posted:Why these? I thought Islam acknowledged both the old and new testaments (as in Jesus was a prophet). In theory, Christians are allowed to have a bible for their private use, but having more then one bible or displaying bibles publically are considered proselytizing, and it's illegal in Saudi Arabia to proselytize any religion other than Islam.
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zoux posted:Oh, and OBL was one of these nutty Islamists, right? I've never really read up on him but I understand he was radicalized by the "misdeeds" of US service members stationed in KSA during Desert Storm. Were there legit abuses of civilians by troops or was it just our decadent Western ways. One Saudi woman married an enlisted soldier, immigrated to the US, got bored when he got deployed again, made friends with a stripper at an on base laundry mat, became a stripper and divorced him. She was even a shieks daughter. Quite a story.
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LingcodKilla posted:One Saudi woman married an enlisted soldier, immigrated to the US, got bored when he got deployed again, made friends with a stripper at an on base laundry mat, became a stripper and divorced him.
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zoux posted:I've never really read up on him but I understand he was radicalized by the "misdeeds" of US service members stationed in KSA during Desert Storm. During the "Desert Shield" stage we drove around quite a bit and would occasionally cross paths with other units. Once we ran into a French Foreign Legion armored car/recon unit. We stopped and ate together. They broke out a bottle of wine. We were stunned, as Saudi Arabia was/is a 100% "dry" country. Wine or any other form of alcohol is absolutely prohibited - but nonetheless, the Legion had their wine. I remember asking a Legionnaire what would happen if their wine was cut off. In a dead serious tone he replied, "We would shoot our officers."
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Cessna posted:During the "Desert Shield" stage we drove around quite a bit and would occasionally cross paths with other units. Once we ran into a French Foreign Legion armored car/recon unit. We stopped and ate together. They broke out a bottle of wine. Good to see that french ideals exist even in the legion.
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