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evilweasel posted:i, uh hey remember that time that we made stealing people's houses legal so these guys could make good on their gambling debts, and in so doing wiped out 80% of all black wealth in America? sure is a good thing that solved the problem forever
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FizFashizzle posted:Wait, from 50? 538 says that's 37% when you take into account their bias.
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Matt Gaetz has had at least one affair with a staffer, which was so blatant people were asking her to take all the pictures of her in a bikini off instagram because they'd be besides pictures with him. There are quite a few rumors percolating around. He's basically Duncan Hunter but he doesn't get drunk at lunch. He knows that's probably about to come down on him as well. Charlz Guybon posted:538 says that's 37% when you take into account their bias. Yeah but just from them that's a seven point swing in a week. That's nuts.
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Charlz Guybon posted:What do they expect him to do. They want him to hold hearings and call friendly witnesses and that sort of poo poo. Graham, presumably, is declining because he originally was going to do that, starting with Rudy Guliani, and boy that turned out to be a loving terrible idea that he is trying to memory-hole.
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Tuff Scrote posted:I agree with my concern about a too broad impeachment inquiry, but there is some low hanging fruit here with emoluments clause violations and his tax returns that will keep the GOP on his toes and Trump in a Twitter fury. We already see how much Trump digs his own grave at the absolute worst moments. Keeping up the heat with issues that voters understand is a good strategy, IMO. The enoulments clause violations are at pretty advanced stages of litigation and likely to go before the Supreme Court soon, so it would be dangerous to include those and then have a 5-4 majority say that under the original intent of the founders, "enoulments" means "a jewel of precisely 69.420 carats, and nothing else whatsoever" and find that trump has not accepted any such jewels.
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evilweasel posted:i can't recall where i saw it, but i thought i saw a study relatively recently that showed 40 hours seemed to be the actual best workweek productivity-wise. basically, as people work more per week their productivity per hour goes down, but obviously there is a point where working less hours decreases your "output" more than increasing your efficiency for the remaining hours can make up for), and that seemed to show a maximum total worker productivity around 40 hours. i.e. you work 35 hours, you'll probably produce less per week; but if you work 45 hours you probably will also produce less per week. The research into this is actually pretty complex and there's a lot of conflicting information. It's also going to depend on how you want to define productivity, what specific aspects of productivity you want to emphasize, the type of work being performed, and plenty of other factors. That said, I don't think that there's a ton of research that actually shows that 40 hours is "ideal" in any way. There's some work that shows that productivity goes over a cliff after 50 hours and there's strong evidence that people tend to be much happier with work weeks in the 30-38 hour range, so I think the consensus is that having work days that are at least shorter (if only marginally) than 8 hours is a good thing Basically, it doesn't seem like 40 hours is really perfect or good in any sense. We just lucked into a work week that isn't too horrendously harmful in either direction.
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Paradoxish posted:downtowns definitely exist so this is not ideal It’s not. The summary is “Bank revenue not growing fast enough so they’re becoming less profitable.” Downturn is relevant because it would further hit bank profitability. The source document doesn’t indicate That there’s a solvency concern. Also this is mostly concerning banks in the emerging markets.
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FizFashizzle posted:Matt Gaetz has had at least one affair with a staffer, which was so blatant people were asking her to take all the pictures of her in a bikini off instagram because they'd be besides pictures with him. Yeah, they went from 50% total approval on 10/16 to 43% today. "Strongly Approve" also dropped from 37% to 32%, and "Strongly Disapprove" climbed from 40% to 45%.
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I think there's room to throw Emoluments/the tax records/whatever on the articles of impeachment if they are finished in time, but the Ukrainian investigation is going at a break neck pace. If they come back from the Thanksgiving break ready to vote for articles, I think holding things up would be a mistake.
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evilweasel posted:i can't recall where i saw it, but i thought i saw a study relatively recently that showed 40 hours seemed to be the actual best workweek productivity-wise. basically, as people work more per week their productivity per hour goes down, but obviously there is a point where working less hours decreases your "output" more than increasing your efficiency for the remaining hours can make up for), and that seemed to show a maximum total worker productivity around 40 hours. i.e. you work 35 hours, you'll probably produce less per week; but if you work 45 hours you probably will also produce less per week. This thought process of workers working better when not under constant duress and overworking doesn't penetrate the thick skulls of upper management in most places, however, which is a huge problem in this country.
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evilweasel posted:i, uh Hey remember not too long ago when this thread was shiting on anyone who was trying to warn that the next economic collapse was going to be massive because none of those 2008 era problems had actually been solved? The next economic crisis is going to be 2x-3x the size of the 2008 crisis- and on the other end of it either there's a fascist America or a progressive America waiting for us all. There really won't be any middle ground on this one.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:ROFL Rasmussen has Trump down to 43% approval rating. That’s umm, not good. Working hard, thank you!
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Paradoxish posted:The research into this is actually pretty complex and there's a lot of conflicting information. It's also going to depend on how you want to define productivity, what specific aspects of productivity you want to emphasize, the type of work being performed, and plenty of other factors. People literally died for a shorter work week, but okay, sure, we just "lucked" into it via the invisible hand or whatever. 
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sexpig by night posted:no one actually gives a poo poo. It literally only is working for the Fox News crowd and they'd stay with Trump even if a video of him raping and murdering a child came out so who gives a gently caress about them Well if you check that child’s social media accounts you can clearly see he was no angel...
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Paradoxish posted:The research into this is actually pretty complex and there's a lot of conflicting information. It's also going to depend on how you want to define productivity, what specific aspects of productivity you want to emphasize, the type of work being performed, and plenty of other factors. An 8-hour work day means you can run 3 shifts and your factory never has to stop running. That's it, that's how we got to it.
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evilweasel posted:lol even loyal fuehertrooper mark meadows is throwing a little bit of shade at trump suggesting that if he's upset perhaps he shouldn't have hosed that chicken so hard that he lost the house The most depressing point here is he's not chastising him for breaking the law, he's chastising him for not keeping a majority so they could just ignore it.
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Paradoxish posted:That said, I don't think that there's a ton of research that actually shows that 40 hours is "ideal" in any way. There's some work that shows that productivity goes over a cliff after 50 hours and there's strong evidence that people tend to be much happier with work weeks in the 30-38 hour range, so I think the consensus is that having work days that are at least shorter (if only marginally) than 8 hours is a good thing to be clear, i think the study i was talking about was from the perspective of the employer, not the employee (who doesn't really give much of a drat about productivity). i 100% believe an employee working 30 hours a week is happier than one working 40 hours a week, provided it's not a 25% pay cut to do so.
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Wylie posted:An 8-hour work day means you can run 3 shifts and your factory never has to stop running. That's it, that's how we got to it. This was the image I was thinking of, but I don't think it's actually Wobbly and might not be contemporary Tibalt fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Oct 24, 2019 |
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Tibalt posted:I think there's room to throw Emoluments/the tax records/whatever on the articles of impeachment if they are finished in time, but the Ukrainian investigation is going at a break neck pace. If they come back from the Thanksgiving break ready to vote for articles, I think holding things up would be a mistake. House can always impeach him separately for the other things. Trump extorting Ukraine is such a straightforward article it makes sense to get it out there now and work on the rest over time if they need to.
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evilweasel posted:i, uh Sure, bring on the Second Great Depression. Why not.
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Tibalt posted:Unions also pushed it because "8 hours to work, 8 hours to sleep, and 8 hours to live" was a catchy logo that resonated. I'll see if I can find the Wobbly pamphlet I'm thinking of specifically. iirc though getting to 40 hours also required expanding the weekend from just sunday to saturday and sunday, it's not purely an 8 hour thing
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Wylie posted:An 8-hour work day means you can run 3 shifts and your factory never has to stop running. That's it, that's how we got to it. 
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Retro42 posted:House can always impeach him separately for the other things. Trump extorting Ukraine is such a straightforward article it makes sense to get it out there now and work on the rest over time if they need to.
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Charlz Guybon posted:What do they expect him to do. Trump may not be a 12th dimension chess player, but he knows how to keep Graham in line, and that's to dunk his head in the toilet every chance he gets. Lindsay Graham is Starscream or that guy with the 3-D glasses in Biff Tannen's gang, you don't keep your evil toadies in line by letting them develop self respect.
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Prester Jane posted:Hey remember not too long ago when this thread was shiting on anyone who was trying to warn that the next economic collapse was going to be massive because none of those 2008 era problems had actually been solved? No? Pretty much everyone in this thread is of the opinion the recession is already here, it's just being masked by some systemic factors, market manipulation, and outright lies by the Trump administration.
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DrNutt posted:People literally died for a shorter work week, but okay, sure, we just "lucked" into it via the invisible hand or whatever. I think you're seriously misinterpreting what I'm saying. That part about "luck" had nothing to do with how the work week was established. I'm saying that none of this data was available when we arrived at a 40-hour work week, it just so happens that 40 hours is both not horrendously bad or wildly good. Paradoxish fucked around with this message at 16:28 on Oct 24, 2019 |
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friendbot2000 posted:https://twitter.com/keithboykin/status/1187022153599897601 This motherfucker deserves to have both his knees broken.
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FizFashizzle posted:No? Pretty much everyone in this thread is of the opinion the recession is already here, it's just being masked by some systemic factors, market manipulation, and outright lies by the Trump administration. We told PJ that she didn't have unique insight into the size of the next recession, which is still true regardless of the size of the next recession.
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Rincewinds posted:What if they remove the CEO bonuses? But then why have banks???
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Rincewinds posted:What if they remove the CEO bonuses? How do you expect to attract talent if you only give CEOs 7 figure salaries, corner offices, access to company car(s) and driver(s), free helicopter rides, and a private jet? I mean what idiot would take that offer?
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Prester Jane posted:This motherfucker deserves to have both his knees broken. There should really be some national database or very well know aggregator that keeps records of these guys for quick reference and a 'never forget' kind of campaign. The only true justice that's ever going to be leveraged against them is total social ostracization.
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Boris Galerkin posted:How do you expect to attract talent if you only give CEOs 7 figure salaries, corner offices, access to company car(s) and driver(s), free helicopter rides, and a private jet? I mean what idiot would take that offer? How about 2 harems!? I dunno man, just spit-balling. There has to be some solution.
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evilweasel posted:i, uh What's interesting about the article itself is that it seems to be focusing more on how newer entrants into the financial services industry are displacing banks, one example cited being Amazon with credit cards. They then end it less as a warning about the fragility of the economy but rather a warning that the banks need to "innovate." However, the article to me misses two glaring issues. One is how banks are unable to make their core business functions (like lending for mortgages, cars, etc.) profitable. If those things aren't profitable, they either the banks are structurally unsound and are a major liability in a downturn (bad) or that the economy is severely distorted by something - probably a mix of the excess capital trying to find an investment home and legal/corporate frameworks written to cater to to the rich - which means the entire economic order is a liability in a downturn (really bad). The second issue is how will a bunch of startups and tech firms trying to squeeze into the financial sector fare during a downturn. We saw in 2008 that over-leveraged banks and financial firms fared very poorly and were unable to adapt without massive bailouts, and these were long-standing institutions with a lot of "experience" to work with. How do we suppose Silicon Valley startups trying to do IT wiz-banking will fare when things start blowing up? It's like termites eating at a wooden structure, taking bits and pieces out but without replacing it with any sturdy replacement. Once the weakened financial structure starts getting stressed, more of them might fall due to weaknesses from competition and the new guys being unable to cope. Mostly speculation at this point, but the idea of 2008 being repeated, but now with Silicon Valley IT guys and Amazon added into the mix does not sound good at all.
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FizFashizzle posted:No? Pretty much everyone in this thread is of the opinion the recession is already here, it's just being masked by some systemic factors, market manipulation, and outright lies by the Trump administration. Personally I wasn't trying to poo poo on anyone, but I stand by my belief that 2008 was 1.) An incredibly bad recession and really should have been called the The 2nd Great Depression and 2.) Car loans and student debt isn't going to crater the economy like finance-entagled mortgages did.
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re: what happened yesterday https://twitter.com/K8brannen/status/1187362999318859776 https://twitter.com/K8brannen/status/1187386419754520578
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DandyLion posted:How about 2 harems!? I dunno man, just spit-balling. There has to be some solution. We are clearly too dumb and lazy to figure out the solution to this problem.
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