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I don't think there's any making the two-two grandma like him; she's had a lifetime of watching humans kill, torture, dispossess and forcibly convert her kind. Plus he's dead, and she wasn't real pleased about that either. At least he can be honest, and hope she'll reply with her own honesty. Since he told her he didn't think Shaensigin was dead, so even though he fought her, the grandma knows she makes it out alive from the story he's telling even if she got hurt. And we've already seen she can heal and regrow from terrible injuries, which the grandma likely knows too. Duane trying to tell the grandma that "yes, Shaensigin and I had a respectful interaction where we mutually appreciated one another" would ring false about everything the grandma knows about both humans and her god. Plus, narratively, having the grandma decide that no, she won't hold up her end of the bargain and tell him about Ilganyag makes no sense at all. Also I don't think Shaensigin chews at all, because the crown of crystals around her head all have intact human corpses in them. I think she swallows whole and either digests or exudes.
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TheFuzzyLumpkin posted:I don't think there's any making the two-two grandma like him; she's had a lifetime of watching humans kill, torture, dispossess and forcibly convert her kind. Plus he's dead, and she wasn't real pleased about that either. At least he can be honest, and hope she'll reply with her own honesty. She needs meat to reconstitute her limbs and body, I think, but it's up for debate how that process actually works. Probably not actual digestion.
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Oct 11, 2019 00:20
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PetraCore posted:Yeah, and she's a senet beast, so her eating doesn't actually need to make biological sense. We know walking roots 'eat' but just to allow decomposition to fertilize their soil, efpheby (i know i spelt that wrong, I'm phoneposting) eat living minds, and idk if we've actually seen waterwomen eat, I suspect they mostly just need water. I forget where this was on the Tumblr, but Cope confirmed that the beasts don't actually need to eat, as they can't die of starvation. Some do get hungry and enjoy eating, so they do it, but it's not necessary for them to live, the same way there's babies but no sexual reproduction. Shaensigin was designed to eat waterwomen, because her salt would dissolve their flesh but not the hard nacre "hearts" they have, and so long as that survives the waterwoman will eventually regenerate around it. I agree that Shaensigin probably does need to eat more to regrow her limbs, since she's one of the beasts that can heal. Efheby's brain-drinking thing isn't actually a feeding process, when it's used on other senet beasts it's a mechanism for diplomacy, basically, and the beasts all retain their memories, just sharing them with the efheby instead. Efheby are only super dangerous to humans, because humans don't retain the memories when an efheby bites them.
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TheFuzzyLumpkin posted:I forget where this was on the Tumblr, but Cope confirmed that the beasts don't actually need to eat, as they can't die of starvation. Some do get hungry and enjoy eating, so they do it, but it's not necessary for them to live, the same way there's babies but no sexual reproduction. Shaensigin was designed to eat waterwomen, because her salt would dissolve their flesh but not the hard nacre "hearts" they have, and so long as that survives the waterwoman will eventually regenerate around it. I agree that Shaensigin probably does need to eat more to regrow her limbs, since she's one of the beasts that can heal. Speaking of senet beasts I think one my favorite ones in concept are ones we haven't seen yet - immortal silkworms that constantly go through pupation, then revert from moth form to worm form, then pupate again, to make First Silk. It's so weird because senet beasts don't normally... grow... at all? Meanwhile growing and changing sounds like all those guys do, as otherwise they're just, like, immortal bugs. A 'concept sketch' for metamorphosis, maybe?
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Oct 11, 2019 05:02
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still eternal, just cyclical rather than static
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Oct 11, 2019 05:06
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Tollymain posted:still eternal, just cyclical rather than static
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Oct 11, 2019 06:09
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PetraCore posted:Oh, that's really cool! I really like the whole concept of them as sketch-design work for an eventual self-sustaining systems, so they have all these like, almost-mortal things happening, but none of them work the way they work in the finished system because self-perpetuating cycles and death hadn't really been invented yet. It's a shame this stuff isn't relevant to the actual plot of the story because it's super cool, but there's not really any place or reason for the characters to stop off and have an in-depth multi-page discussion about the workings of the senet beasts. One of the books has a more in-depth senet beastiary in the back - I thiiiiiink book three? I'd have to check mine. It's got some supremely interesting stuff in there that I don't want to spoil because this comic is good enough to spend the money on.
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TheFuzzyLumpkin posted:I forget where this was on the Tumblr, but Cope confirmed that the beasts don't actually need to eat, as they can't die of starvation. Some do get hungry and enjoy eating, so they do it, but it's not necessary for them to live, the same way there's babies but no sexual reproduction. Shaensigin was designed to eat waterwomen, because her salt would dissolve their flesh but not the hard nacre "hearts" they have, and so long as that survives the waterwoman will eventually regenerate around it. I agree that Shaensigin probably does need to eat more to regrow her limbs, since she's one of the beasts that can heal.  Humans retain their memories after efheby experiences as long as A) the efheby doesn't swallow and B) they haven't been exposed to efheby venom so many times that their brain is melted.Admittedly it's addictive enough for the human as well as the efheby that most people are going to get to B eventually even if the efheby is ethical. In other news, That boy's lost, but we can still catch FOI-HELLICK!
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GreyjoyBastard posted:
At least if someone gets to B with an ethical efheby they're presumably really really enjoying themselves...?
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PetraCore posted:See I'd been looking at Ruck and using him as a template for efheby in general and only now I'm realizing how silly that was. The first time we met Ruck he mentioned that most of his kind stay far away from humans, whereas he seeks them out, so yeah, he's the odd one out. More from Ashley's Tumblr: quote:Anonymous asked: From what I remember, Ruck isn't the only Efheby left in the world. Is there a reason Shaensigin specifically recommended him? quote:Anonymous asked: So if efheby other than Ruck hate humans, was the one Bastion tupped Ruck? Or was he single-handedly the reason they stopped liking humans? I'm assuming it wasn't just him bantering, mostly cause that's the boring version... While looking for those, I also found these, which answer an earlier question here: quote:Anonymous asked: Was Shengy ever a little little lizard? I'm curious if senet beasts can grow eternally, like Mallory and coppers. Imagine the swole gains you could get. Also, what does Shengy normally eat besides salted long pork? quote:Anonymous asked: If Shaensign doesn'T have to eat, she probably doesn't have to breathe either (I mean what is there to burn). So her internal organs are functional, but not necessary for survival? quote:Anonymous asked: If Shaensigin has no metabolism she needs for survival and can regenerate large parts of her body, what would it actually take to kill her? Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 05:41 on Oct 12, 2019 |
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HEEEEEELP! MAAAAAAMAAAAAA! I did not quite successfully predict Duane's Plan.
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Shaensigin has a headache. Also, have had the Tumblr open the past few days and been casually reading further and further back, and found this question and answer regarding the latest chapter: quote:Anonymous asked: At that time of this flashback how old is Quigs and what is he doing? Just to put a plat lifespan in perspective
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Oct 15, 2019 17:07
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Lemuel you dick
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Oct 16, 2019 07:13
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yeah uh Duane I don't think you're endearing yourself to the two-toes right now
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"I know what will impress this two-tow woman who hates me: A story about how I beat up her god and my brother murdered at least one of her brethren!" (According to Ashley Duane's not describing all the details we're seeing, so besides, say, sparing the children the particular details of that one song earlier, he might be a bit light on details here.) Unrelated, while reading back through the Tumblr there were a couple things that stood out to me that have me thinking. First was that Shaensigin has some traits that are supposed to be reminiscent of Yerta: Color scheme, "roundness", motherhood stuff, etc. Second, and apparently related to this, is that the story has four major senet beasts featuring into it, the last of whom we're yet to meet. Shaensigin is obviously one, and I think the other two we know are fairly obvious too. Ilganyag, as I think has been noted here before even, is almost definitely our Tirna; she's red and black, alternately aids and harries mortals with her favor, and she's trapped in a world separate from the others (though in a somewhat amusing irony she's the one outside the mortal world rather than inside it like Tirna). She also apparently knows Ssael, and likewise Tirna was the one who supposedly inspired Ssael to turn against the other gods. (That page also mentions her having silver bones, which makes me wonder about Prakhuta's silver weapon, it being something she's "inspired" in him and likewise being glistening red meat over a silver support structure.) Ruck, meanwhile, is almost certainly the third "major" senet beast we know, and based on the wiki I'm inclined to think he's the Baelar of this quartet. From the wiki article: quote:Baelar is the warrior poet, the perfect soldier, and the creator of pymary. In times of conflict he is worshipped almost exclusively. Other times, he is a symbol to wrights, both masters and aspirants, though soldiers will often ask a priest to bless their swords in Baelar's name. A careless, distracted sort of deity, Baelar is thought to influence the outcomes of battles arbitrarily, favouring those troops most willing to die one day, and the next giving his blessing to the cowards. All the same, soldiers (and anyone wishing to succeed in a difficult task) will sometimes wear an iron ring on a chain around their neck and over their heart - a traditional archer's target - in a facetious attempt to confuse the fickle god. A lot of this fits Ruck perfectly. He's fickle and easily turns on those who previously had his favor, he's aiding both sides of the Bell-Sonorie conflict, and he's the new patron of the Black Tongues in their pymaric and scientific pursuits, having even "blessed" a blade (the mind-slicing knife) for them with his venom. Which raises the question of who, or what, our "Riv" will be; given the sea associations, I doubt we'll be seeing him until the Book 2 stuff Ashley's mentioned, though I have a few ideas. The talk of tempestuousness and such in particular brings to mind typhoon whales, though those are on such a ridiculous scale in both size and power that I'm not sure if one could really work as a character for the others to interact with. We'll see, I suppose.
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clearly, Minnow is Riv, she's the fish Also if we're listening to Shaensigin, there's a Tree yet to be seen.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Also if we're listening to Shaensigin, there's a Tree yet to be seen. The obvious candidate for the role of the tree is the wandering root that Sette got Duane to murder in the prologue. Since this is a flashback, it was still alive at the time of her talking.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:clearly, Minnow is Riv, she's the fish I considered Minnow, but again, Ashley mentioned that the fourth "major" senet beast is yet to be seen, which rules her out (unless you think that Ruck is the not-major one). Also, she's not really like how Riv is described. Far more reasonable; she's too nice to be any of the gods. That said, I remember reading somewhere that it's rumored a more intelligent Mamalen Entak is out there somewhere, (most are basically animal-like, as with the first chapter's example) so that could be the "Riv" of the bunch. Tangent, I've thought about this a few times before, but Tirna's position in Ssaelism seems weird; she's the one who turned Ssael against the other gods, and his god-murder occurred in the Khert, where she very much is/was not. However, I never see her mentioned as excluded from the slaughter, and there's at least one piece of in-universe art (back in chapter 7) showing Ssael confronting Tirna as well as Yerta. Is there an explanation for that yet, in-comic or out? Edit: Well, asked, and was answered: quote:Anonymous asked: This has probably been asked before, but what exactly is Tirna's position in Ssaelism? If I recall correctly, she helped spark Ssael's animosity towards the other gods, and Ssael's slaughter of the gods occurred in the Khert, which Tirna supposedly was not in. But in chapter 7 there's art depicting Ssael challenging Tirna as well as Yerta. Are there official Ssaelit explanations for how Tirna got back into the Khert, and why Ssael turned against her? Or do some Ssaelit think she's still alive? Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 18:55 on Oct 18, 2019 |
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Oct 18, 2019 18:14
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Fourth senet beast could be typhoon whales, which i'm pretty sure are metal af.
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Oct 19, 2019 01:25
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The fourth senet beast... is man...
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Oct 19, 2019 01:37
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The fourth senet beast was the friends we made along the way.
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Oct 19, 2019 03:33
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Smashing good time Where's that "Even the air here is salt" gif when you need it?
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good action scene, lots of first salt for the grabbing here, not a lot to discuss other than that ROGER FOI HELLICK is getting away
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I feel sorry for the salt lizard, senet beasts and two twos tbh. Something about mundane human bullshit crushing all fantastical things with its routine evil is more sickening than a big lizard eating someone.
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Motherfucker posted:I feel sorry for the salt lizard, senet beasts and two twos tbh. first silkworms will be preserved with all force at the states' disposal, dunno why you're complaining so will waterpeople, if my theory is correct and so will exactly one efheby, if he succeeds in his objectives
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Well, if he pulls off some clever plan perhaps, but Sonorie agrees with Roger: Once she's through with him, Ruck is going to die. (I think it's probably going to go Ruck's way rather than Sonorie's though, at least at first.)
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Though, Ashley seems to agree with the earlier post:quote:Anonymous asked: So if I'm reading this right, the main point of senet beast are to be bullied right? From the wandering root, to the sea women, and Salt lizards, the bullying is real and unstoppable. Tiddy bird is trapped and Ruck is just patiently waiting for the other shoe to drop. Is there any Senet free from the tyranny of spider paws? Also, double-posting because there's an update. Two pages today, and oh boy does that look unpleasant. What I was expecting after figuring out what Will was holding in the last panel of the previous strip, though.
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It amuses the hell out of me that Ashley is talking about senet beasts being bullied- when this ENTIRE EXCHANGE is because Shaensigin doesn't stop at eating humans, or even eating human children- no, she has to TORTURE HER FOOD FOR FUN. Meaning since Will was the only one alive that she was able to snatch, she intended to keep him alive for a while on the journey. Which caused the Adelier brothers to come after her, which so far has resulted in her being seriously injured, blinded, about to probably be even more seriously injured, and has caused the deaths of at least two of her followers and its looking highly likely most if not all are going to wind up dead in the crossfire. Essentially, she's getting an rear end kicking entirely caused by her being a bully to an eight year old. To those claiming they could have tried diplomacy, there's zero indication that Shaensigin would bargain with anyone short of being beaten to the brink of death, and they just saw how well that turned out for Roger. Peace was never an option- the only options that Shaensigin had were either refusing to eat a child ( and likely getting away with only some minor bruising from a boulder, and a full compliment of two twoed children to keep her company ), or just killing Will like the rest to salt later ( giving the Adeliers little reason to chase after her, given blind revenge was just as simple to go after on Dhampir ). Granted she had no idea this was the likely outcome, but there's no sympathy for someone whining about getting a bad ending out of choosing to do evil.
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shaensigin is a powerful creature in some ways, and if nothing else, this is a story with a lot to say about the powerful lmao
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i think the senet beasts provoke the sympathetic response they do from readers largely because theyre fairly literally irreplaceable
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Tar_Squid posted:It amuses the hell out of me that Ashley is talking about senet beasts being bullied- when this ENTIRE EXCHANGE is because Shaensigin doesn't stop at eating humans, or even eating human children- no, she has to TORTURE HER FOOD FOR FUN. Meaning since Will was the only one alive that she was able to snatch, she intended to keep him alive for a while on the journey. Which caused the Adelier brothers to come after her, which so far has resulted in her being seriously injured, blinded, about to probably be even more seriously injured, and has caused the deaths of at least two of her followers and its looking highly likely most if not all are going to wind up dead in the crossfire. Essentially, she's getting an rear end kicking entirely caused by her being a bully to an eight year old. *casually running a knife up the belly of an endangered wildcat "They're out here eating these poor innocent tea-pickers whose only crime was working the lands that were at one point part of the verdant jungles we chopped down. We had no choice but to extinct their entire species. They're man-eaters!" Ah I hear you SPUTTER, but Shaensigin is sentient and therefore chose to be a meanie head to the invading parasites attempting to kill her and her world. Why couldn't she just peacefully cede her entire lands and people to the whimsical fuckheads of capital and roll the gently caress over like a good dog and to that I say: Kill all humans, mankind deserves no more fitting a guillotine than the jaws of the two toe gods!! Motherfucker fucked around with this message at 15:28 on Oct 24, 2019 |
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To be fair I think the lizard probably wasn't expecting things to swing this direction what with the chaos caused by the curse.
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Motherfucker posted:*casually running a knife up the belly of an endangered wildcat She assumed she could do what she wanted to the stragglers and still keep her children safe. She was wrong. What's happening to her now is going to hurt like hell, but she can heal and Duane doesn't think it killed her. Can he say the same for everyone who crawled inside her, confident their god would keep them safe? EDIT: I don't actually think Shaensigin is entirely to blame it's just funny how easy it is to frame it that way lmao. If there's one constant in this story, it's that when powerful forces clash, it's the powerless who pay the highest price. PetraCore fucked around with this message at 16:08 on Oct 24, 2019 |
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Guys. Guys. We're talking about Unsounded. The correct answer is everyone is awful.
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Ashley was actually asked a question about that too recently:quote:Anonymous asked: Besides Matty, are there any characters in this story that *aren't* bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling? I like that a third of them are inanimate objects and/or animals. Also that Simon, Duane and Leysa's son, is not listed, un(?)intentionally implying that he's a horrible little poo poo.
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Aww, Elka isn't a bastard coated bastard with bastard filling. She's just bastard coated bastard.
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habeasdorkus posted:Aww, Elka isn't a bastard coated bastard with bastard filling. She's just bastard coated bastard. "aww, I hate seeing sad kids"
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Elka is a bastard coated bastard with spicy bastard filling! And yeah, the entire point is that if Shaensigin was more concerned about the Inak than just getting back at the humans in whatever spiteful and petty ways she could, a lot of pain would have been avoided. The earlier part where she talks with them about not being a great god comes off as her fishing for compliments when its very true. She cannot protect the Inak, and she cannot avenge them either. Even this long shot gambit of hers to get back even a few followers has blown up in her face. Speaking of which, what happened to the two toes inside her? I'm assuming nothing good given the salt armor has been completely shattered. But its so unlike Cope to not show the gory aftermath.
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Again answered on the Tumblr, but basically after the heart pumped again they fell back down her throat, which she says is probably the safest place for them, and that they aren't all dead. Some will show up on the next page.
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Just noticed that no one ever linked the new page, so here it is. Double-posting because the last post was a few hours ago and thus just editing this into the last post could be missed. The Etalarche Curse is just nasty, wow. Also, Shaensigin looks... Not great. Not much salt left on that lizard.
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