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Hmmm, even Marcy doesn't seem to have much insight into what DOJ might be going after with a criminal probe into the Mueller probe, but the timing on this seems awfully suspicious. https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/1187711060196954114?s=20
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Oct 25, 2019 14:42
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Oh wow. Talk about a guy for whom Trump's "charms" to encourage people to protect him are uh....very ineffective. This guy will burn Trump to the ground and then go out for a nice, rare steak dinner afterward to celebrate. Bolton strikes me as one of those guys that will actually kill for you if you're in something together but cut your throat if you cross him. Trump crossed him. I hate Bolton but I'm 100% here for him burning Trump down.
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Oct 25, 2019 14:46
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VH4Ever posted:Oh wow. Talk about a guy for whom Trump's "charms" to encourage people to protect him are uh....very ineffective. This guy will burn Trump to the ground and then go out for a nice, rare steak dinner afterward to celebrate. Bolton strikes me as one of those guys that will actually kill for you if you're in something together but cut your throat if you cross him. Trump crossed him. He’s going to show up to the deposition wearing a MAGA hat and say “gotcha!”
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Oct 25, 2019 14:49
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VH4Ever posted:Oh wow. Talk about a guy for whom Trump's "charms" to encourage people to protect him are uh....very ineffective. This guy will burn Trump to the ground and then go out for a nice, rare steak dinner afterward to celebrate. Bolton strikes me as one of those guys that will actually kill for you if you're in something together but cut your throat if you cross him. Trump crossed him. I said the same thing, almost word for word, to my wife just before I scrolled down to your post. He's a missile with lock on and aimed at tRump.
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Oct 25, 2019 14:50
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Brony Car posted:He’s going to show up to the deposition wearing a MAGA hat and say “gotcha!” I highly doubt that.
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Oct 25, 2019 14:52
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VH4Ever posted:Oh wow. Talk about a guy for whom Trump's "charms" to encourage people to protect him are uh....very ineffective. This guy will burn Trump to the ground and then go out for a nice, rare steak dinner afterward to celebrate. Bolton strikes me as one of those guys that will actually kill for you if you're in something together but cut your throat if you cross him. Trump crossed him. Bolton is competent global empire evil, and Trump has stained his name and attempted to throw him under the bus. I imagine Tucker and Fox siding with Trump over him only threw salt in the wound Bolton's going to throw Trump under a steamroller. Worst possible person to screw over 
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Oct 25, 2019 14:53
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Paradoxish posted:The Green Party is pretty well known thanks to Ralph Nader’s 2000 run. Nader wasn’t a nobody and that run got a lot of play in 2000, especially because the media was thinking that they had another Ross Perot to talk about. I’m willing to bet that the Green Party is the first thing that comes to mind for a lot of Americans when they think “third party,” much to the dismay of Libertarians everywhere. I would bet people of a certain age still think of the Reform Party
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Oct 25, 2019 14:54
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SpannerX posted:I said the same thing, almost word for word, to my wife just before I scrolled down to your post. He's a missile with lock on and aimed at tRump. He's the Wormtongue to Trump's Saruman.
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Oct 25, 2019 14:55
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I'm pretty sure a lot of people talked about and even voted for Ralph Nader without even knowing or caring he was running on a ticket. It's not like he was running on a platform other than 'gush vs bore amirite'
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Oct 25, 2019 14:56
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:I know this is gonna sound a bit pedantic, but can we not do this? It's the "DemocratIC Party", and the nominee for the Democratic Party will be the DemocratIC nominee. Rush Limbaugh started calling it the "Democrat Party" in an attempt to otherize and delegitimize Democrats and it's made its way WAY too far into modern political lexicon. Don't accept their framing. I go out of my way to not use the term, but I never really got how this is a "slur" or delegitimizing, since a party member is called a Democrat. You actually call them Democrats in your post. It seems totally innocuous.
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Oct 25, 2019 14:56
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Data Graham posted:I would bet people of a certain age still think of the Reform Party You might be right, but I feel like more people remember Ross Perot than the Reform Party itself.
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Oct 25, 2019 14:56
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ewiley posted:Hmmm, even Marcy doesn't seem to have much insight into what DOJ might be going after with a criminal probe into the Mueller probe, but the timing on this seems awfully suspicious. Also none of the stuff she theorizes in there anyone will care about outside of the right wing nuts
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Oct 25, 2019 14:57
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VH4Ever posted:Oh wow. Talk about a guy for whom Trump's "charms" to encourage people to protect him are uh....very ineffective. This guy will burn Trump to the ground and then go out for a nice, rare steak dinner afterward to celebrate. Bolton strikes me as one of those guys that will actually kill for you if you're in something together but cut your throat if you cross him. Trump crossed him. bolton wants to damage trump as much as he can without damaging his wingnut welfare career and so that latter part will influence how much he's willing to go hard against trump
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Oct 25, 2019 14:58
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TheDisreputableDog posted:I go out of my way to not use the term, but I never really got how this is a "slur" or delegitimizing, since a party member is called a Democrat. You actually call them Democrats in your post. It seems totally innocuous. It's not a slur, it's just doing the conservatives work for them. They did focus groups and found that Democrat party polled slightly worse than Democratic party. So they all starting saying Democrat. This was back in the day when they were more organized though. Now its just reflex or baked in.
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Oct 25, 2019 14:58
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VH4Ever posted:I highly doubt that. Yep, the only thing Bolton cares about is American power projection and Trump ruined that.
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Oct 25, 2019 14:59
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:I'm pretty sure a lot of people talked about and even voted for Ralph Nader without even knowing or caring he was in a party. Weren’t the post-Nader struggles of the Green Party the big reason why Sanders ended up going for the Democratic nomination instead of just running as a third party candidate?
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Oct 25, 2019 14:59
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ewiley posted:Hmmm, even Marcy doesn't seem to have much insight into what DOJ might be going after with a criminal probe into the Mueller probe, but the timing on this seems awfully suspicious. Because it's a fishing expedition. Hell, they'll probably check for goddamn parking tickets just because.
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Oct 25, 2019 14:59
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TheDisreputableDog posted:I go out of my way to not use the term, but I never really got how this is a "slur" or delegitimizing, since a party member is called a Democrat. You actually call them Democrats in your post. It seems totally innocuous. Because the party is called the Democratic Party, that's why it's a slur. I get that you're not a fan of arguing in good faith, based on your post history, but it is absolutely an attempt to delegitimize and otherize the opposition and anyone who says otherwise is flat-out lying.
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Oct 25, 2019 15:00
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VH4Ever posted:Oh wow. Talk about a guy for whom Trump's "charms" to encourage people to protect him are uh....very ineffective. This guy will burn Trump to the ground and then go out for a nice, rare steak dinner afterward to celebrate. Bolton strikes me as one of those guys that will actually kill for you if you're in something together but cut your throat if you cross him. Trump crossed him. There’s also a lot of the GOP who slobber all over Bolton’s war loving dick, so this has the potential to give GOP reps and senators who personally dislike Trump some cover to come out against him.
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Oct 25, 2019 15:01
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Paradoxish posted:You might be right, but I feel like more people remember Ross Perot than the Reform Party itself. True, I'd forgotten that it was the banner Pat Buchanan and even Trump were under.
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Oct 25, 2019 15:01
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Oct 25, 2019 15:01
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My favorite bit about Bolton's role so far is when the Ambassador told him about the Ukrainian aid being held up and he goes "Oh gosh, you should probably go tell Pompeo about that as he certainly doesn't know *wink* but will definitely know one you tell him in a way that creates a paper trail *wink* so that he can do something about it." And then apparently Pompeo didn't do anything about it.
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Oct 25, 2019 15:04
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What are the chances that anyone signing a "this is a sham" proclamation would ever vote to convict? Graham getting this many on board already doesn't seem like that bad for Trump.
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Oct 25, 2019 15:06
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LMAO this poll question https://twitter.com/MarkMellman/status/1187574990201327616
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Oct 25, 2019 15:06
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The resolution was just condemning how Schiff is handling the investigation? Yeah this is bad, but you still need like 20 R's to flip for a conviction no? Munkeymon posted:Because it's a fishing expedition. Hell, they'll probably check for goddamn parking tickets just because. Ideally this would be another article of impeachment that should also implicate Barr
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Oct 25, 2019 15:07
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Tibalt posted:My favorite bit about Bolton's role so far is when the Ambassador told him about the Ukrainian aid being held up and he goes "Oh gosh, you should probably go tell Pompeo about that as he certainly doesn't know *wink* but will definitely know one you tell him in a way that creates a paper trail *wink* so that he can do something about it." this is, jokes aside, exactly the kind of bureaucratic-bullshit-to-crush-his-internal-enemies stuff that Bolton is incredibly famous for from his days in previous administrations. his instincts to gently caress over fellow bureaucrats to take their power are almost as legendary as his instincts for starting unnecessary wars and murdering civilians
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Oct 25, 2019 15:07
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Hobo Clown posted:What are the chances that anyone signing a "this is a sham" proclamation would ever vote to convict? Graham getting this many on board already doesn't seem like that bad for Trump. graham's original letter was very explicitly "no quid pro quo we'll vote to aquit" and even tom loving cotton told him to stuff it on that this letter basically just asks the house to make their evidence public, which they will definitely do, and he still couldn't get 7 republicans and manchin on board
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Oct 25, 2019 15:07
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My favorite part of this whole situation is that this is probably the dumbest possible thing to actually stick. This isn't even good corruption. The fact that so many people were apparently complicit in an attempt to manufacture an idiotic scandal against someone who probably won't even be nominated is just... what the gently caress?
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Oct 25, 2019 15:08
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:There’s also a lot of the GOP who slobber all over Bolton’s war loving dick, so this has the potential to give GOP reps and senators who personally dislike Trump some cover to come out against him. See, exactly. Objectively, whatever else you think of Trump, he has thwarted and stymied the efforts of the more war-hungry assholes to charge in and do some of their own ethnic cleansing (no war in Venezuela, Iran and we just left Syria) and there's definitely a war hawk side of the Republicans who, I am sure, aren't happy with it. Makes me wonder if a meeting in a smoky room happened somewhere where Bolton, fresh from the sting of being punked by Trump, volunteered to knife him in the back for the "good" of war hawking assholes everywhere. Hey, if it burns Trump down I'm here for it. We just have to corral those motherfuckers in the chaos that follows with President Pence for however long that lasts, if that happens. Tibalt posted:My favorite bit about Bolton's role so far is when the Ambassador told him about the Ukrainian aid being held up and he goes "Oh gosh, you should probably go tell Pompeo about that as he certainly doesn't know *wink* but will definitely know one you tell him in a way that creates a paper trail *wink* so that he can do something about it." See that's what I mean. He was telling people how to cover their own asses in a way that specifically implicated people like Pompeo in what was going on. Say what you will about Bolton but he's no dummy, and I'm sure the second he saw what was up he was in full CYA mode for himself and anyone who approached him. No way he goes to jail for Trump.
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Oct 25, 2019 15:11
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this is another good point: https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1187726650999529474
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Oct 25, 2019 15:12
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If you subscribe to the belief that Tulsi Gabbard is compromised and is a Russian asset, which I don’t because it is crazy, then technically what she is doing is the worst possible thing for Democrats. She is young, looks great on TV, has conservative appeal and military experience, and she is a soon-to-be former Democratic Presidential Candidate. She can do some real damage if she becomes a permanent Fox News contributor. She would become a legitimate barrier to chipping away at that ~95% support that Trump has amongst Fox viewers. All they would need to do is trot her out a few times a week to support DNC conspiracy theories, bash Hillary, and support Trump’s military decisions. It’s hard to chip away at Trump’s support when such a high profile Dem is on his side. A third-party run is too obvious; her becoming a Fox News commentator is probably the best use of her (again, if you subscribe to the Russian asset theory) If you subscribe to the money theory, it also makes the most sense too. That’s why she’ll probably do it.
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Oct 25, 2019 15:12
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Keep in mind that John Bolton is "only" 70 years old too. He might very well think that there's a place for him in a future Republican administration if he can throw Trump under the bus without looking too much like a self-serving rat.
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Oct 25, 2019 15:13
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"And they were like 'No, no, no, Bolton, we want to do normal crimes, not WAR crimes!' and I just looked at them like they were crazy!"
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Oct 25, 2019 15:13
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Paradoxish posted:My favorite part of this whole situation is that this is probably the dumbest possible thing to actually stick. This isn't even good corruption. The fact that so many people were apparently complicit in an attempt to manufacture an idiotic scandal against someone who probably won't even be nominated is just... what the gently caress? It's pretty on brand for these chucklefucks, actually.
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Oct 25, 2019 15:14
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Slowpoke! posted:If you subscribe to the belief that Tulsi Gabbard is compromised and is a Russian asset, which I don’t because it is crazy, then technically what she is doing is the worst possible thing for Democrats. i generally agree with the idea that trump's only real path to victory relies on spoiler candidates, so the idea of a tulsi campaign is...not great...but it is far from clear to me she's an effective spoiler. she seems to me much more likely to appeal to republicans who don't love trump but can't bring themselves to vote for democrats. she's not a far-left candidate, she's Republicans' Favorite Democrat and that sounds like someone who peels off republicans
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Oct 25, 2019 15:16
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:Because the party is called the Democratic Party, that's why it's a slur. I get that you're not a fan of arguing in good faith, based on your post history, but it is absolutely an attempt to delegitimize and otherize the opposition and anyone who says otherwise is flat-out lying. It just seems weird that the term Democrat isn't otherizing a person, but Democrat Party is, that's all. TheDeadlyShoe's marketing explanation makes sense, though.
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Oct 25, 2019 15:17
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Slowpoke! posted:She is young, looks great on TV, has conservative appeal and military experience, and she is a soon-to-be former Democratic Presidential Candidate. She can do some real damage if she becomes a permanent Fox News contributor. She would become a legitimate barrier to chipping away at that ~95% support that Trump has amongst Fox viewers. All they would need to do is trot her out a few times a week to support DNC conspiracy theories, bash Hillary, and support Trump’s military decisions. It’s hard to chip away at Trump’s support when such a high profile Dem is on his side. A third-party run is too obvious; her becoming a Fox News commentator is probably the best use of her (again, if you subscribe to the Russian asset theory) she's literally already doing this dude, it doesn't actually matter at all approximately 1 in 100 democratic primary votes ever even considered voting for her and she's long been a marginal figure because of her "far left on economic issues but also fascist" platform
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Oct 25, 2019 15:18
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evilweasel posted:this is another good point: 67 is a very high bar when you're starting with 45-ish Senators, many of whom are up for re-election in deeply red states in 2020. Honestly I am not sure how a 'damaged' Trump is any different from the current one we have now, other than possibly tipping the Senate to Dems in 2020.
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eke out posted:she's literally already doing this dude, it doesn't actually matter at all given how close key states were in 2016, that a spoiler might pull "just" 1 in 100 democrats is actually kind of a big deal, every vote matters for a state like wisconsin
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