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gh0stpinballa posted:dream scenario, labour smash the next GE and each one after that, moving further left in the process, how long do you think it would be before the party system could be abolished entirely and we could develop a one-party state? seems like we'd be missing a trick not trying to marginalize and destroy the lib dems, tories, greens etc if we're bringing in these lovely reforms of everything else likely scenario? 20-25 years because at that point we'll have probably abolished the party system one way or another, and if we're going to get Climate Leviathan I'd rather it was the social democratic left doing it birbs for cheerfulness  
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Dream scenario, 20-30 years we're all in the matrix except we don't loving care and it's literally the 10 million merits episode of black mirror E: unless Corbyn gets in in which case its the san junipero episode 
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RockyB posted:Commentariat - lol Rob Liddle doing the exact inverse of this threads poll doomsaying a LAB+SNP+LDEM c&s is what the optimistic polling does imply, yes; with a restrained assumption of Magic Grandpa On The Campaign Trail leading to a Labour bump, this projection is a reasonable one the problem, rather, is the old one where this arrangement seems to benefit SNP and LDEM rather more than it does LAB, which takes the brunt of the beating for finally, finally, giving up its precious ambiguity. This is unpalatable. But the party doesn't really have better options either - even the Starm/Thornberry/McDonnell #peoplesvote camp can see that their odds are low - so what else is there? I suspect we will see a GE announced sooner rather than later, myself.
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Oct 25, 2019 16:46
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Good to see France are going to make us leave with no deal at the end of October.
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Oct 25, 2019 16:48
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the EU really make it hard to campaign for a second referendum and ask the public to stay when they vote to not increase search and rescue and one of the most prominent figures is an angry centrist Napoleon.
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Tesseraction posted:Good to see France are going to make us leave with no deal at the end of October.
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Oct 25, 2019 16:52
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"yeah I know they're absolute loving dogshit bureaucrats who love neoliberal capitalism and they're doing absolutely gently caress all to actually help the working class but we should still stay in because the alternative, somehow, is even worse"
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Bundy posted:Thanks Miftan, I'll search for stuff/anecdotes on this too (and would be immensely grateful if you have any). None without doxing myself, it's just something I see daily. I suppose you could try contacting the teachers unions in your area, I work with them every now and then and they should have more concrete info for you.
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We used to have a lovely chaffinch who came to into the bird hide at work, so I made him a name badge we got an amazing picture of him next to it. If I could post it without doxxing myself I would. Then I kept seeing them in NZ because a posho Victorian took some over to make his estate.sound more British. They obviously spread.
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CGI Stardust posted:Nah, Macron's direly in need of a wedgie but not actually stupid, it gives him a chance to push for stuff for France to deal with the inconvenience. Probably. See, if I thought he was smart, I'd be less annoyed. But he's not smart, he's a jumped up little poo poo who failed upwards, and that's why we're doomed.
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I doubt anyone will be able to identify you from your chaffinch alone.
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Morningwoodpecker posted:I'm genuinely not trying to sass you or talk down to you, its just once the thread goes with "grr pissflaps is a pooface" I'm struggling to take any of this remotely seriously. Addendum: The only thing you have strong feelings about is not being called out on being a bigoted, racist wankrag. All your posting in this thread is just trying to rationalize away being an awful person and whining about being called out on being among the shittiest people alive and figuring out how it's the fault of Labour how the Tories are loving this up. Because for all your blathering on about how the Tories are bad you don't seem to have any problems with the ways they're bad other than where their xenophobia threatens your comfortable existence. You're every bit as lovely as the out-and-out racists, you're just trying to hide it. You're not getting dogpiled because you're on the wrong team. You're getting dogpiled because you're a genuinely awful human who doesn't care about the senseless torture being inflicted on the unlucky while having the sheer audacity to whine about you being mildly inconvenienced.
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I don't think Labour will get as much of a bump as it did at the last GE. A huge part of it was Theresa May being so weirdly hostile to doing any media that the press had no choice but to pay attention to a Labour Party that was turning up, a leaked manifesto that was supposed to humiliate Labour but ended up being extremely popular and reasonable to anyone who wasn't part of the landed gentry, the few policies that the Tories did announce being bizarrely aggressive towards their own base and the hubris of the press. Boris is going to go with a "CHOKE THE RIVERS WITH OUR DEAD" approach to media and flood them with obviously bollocks leaks that don't stand up to the barest of scrutiny but that the press will dutifully present without comment and a demand that you work it out for yourself. There will be far more dirty tactics from outgoing MP's who will be given massive platforms and I don't think the press will present the Labour manifesto unspun again now that it's clear to them they were huffing their own bullshit. I mean this prediction does depend on the liberals learning from their mistakes and conservatives not being hateful self spiting idiots. We still have the biggest group of campaigners who will do more going door to door than any young tory or lib dems who turns up at your door. Class politics still resonates more than identity bullshit and the Lib Dems will probably collapse when actually confronted in any meaningful manner much like most centrists. If I had to go with my head I'd say a CON-DEM coalition where Jo Swindon remains leader despite losing her seat and a bunch of piss diamonds looking really confused as to why Jo would work with Boris but quickly gets replaced with Vince Cable. Heart says Labour-SNP coalition that's incredibly rocky but gets some poo poo done.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:I think you're getting carried away. I may be a wee bit angry about the subject in general and his posting is a heartwarming rendition of Shy Tory Shitgargler. But it's not like there's much to say without just repeating myself. Believe me, I tried, but when I edited out all the redundancy out of that post that was what I was left with.
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seizure later posted:"yeah I know they're absolute loving dogshit bureaucrats who love neoliberal capitalism and they're doing absolutely gently caress all to actually help the working class but we should still stay in because the alternative, somehow, is even worse" That's Lexit! Honestly I'm still very sympathetic to that position, and claims of an 8% reduction in GDP or rather a reduction in forecast GDP growth don't hold much water with me when most of that growth will go to the richest anyway. But it's become pretty evident that the way it's been handled by both the tories and the EU is going to cause the poorest to get utterly screwed, whether it's no deal or the lovely Boris deal. Somehow convince the EU to approve a magical unicorn income redistributing deal and I'd vote for it. For now I see remaining in the neolib protectionist organisation as the lesser evil.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Heart says Labour-SNP coalition that's incredibly rocky but gets some poo poo done. Like an independent Scotland.
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The Tories are low on funds and low on workers come election time, they're going to be fighting an election primarily on a policy which only exists because of a huge split in their party so morale will not be good. 2017 proved that public opinion can be shifted very quickly. If the pollsters are forecasting another hung parliament on current bullshit polls that's very good news for a Labour party who have a manifesto which will be very popular once people have a chance to hear it and some very solid weapons to beat the Tories with.
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radmonger posted:Isn’t that question really better asked of the people who are spending their limited time and energy on discouraging him from voting Labour? He's already decided not to vote Labour, he's just trying to find reasons to justify that decision after the fact. He's already said he likes Labour policies, so if he were really the floating voter he claims to be then that should already be enough. If Corbyn's personality puts him off enough to change his vote then unless the posters here have some power to change Jeremy's personality there is nothing we can do about that. Except of course, if you are so far up yourself that you think Labour should change its leader in order to suit people who have already decided to vote for someone else anyway. We've already seen how 2015 went thanks very much.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Heart says Labour-SNP coalition that's incredibly rocky but gets some poo poo done. SNP are never going to go into a coalition with Labour, not without a guarantee of a new IndyRef and even then can't see it being formal.
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Tsaedje posted:The Tories are low on funds and low on workers come election time, they're going to be fighting an election primarily on a policy which only exists because of a huge split in their party so morale will not be good. This, and Labour HQ won't be actively working against the leader's office this time around. Plus 2017 was a genuine snap election, where even some senior Tories didn't know it was happening until the last minute. This year's has been far longer in the making; Labour have been anticipating it all year and preparing accordingly by arranging new blood & giving some of the old guard PLP the chance to jump before they are pushed.
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Scikar posted:He's already decided not to vote Labour, he's just trying to find reasons to justify that decision after the fact. He's already said he likes Labour policies, so if he were really the floating voter he claims to be then that should already be enough. If Corbyn's personality puts him off enough to change his vote then unless the posters here have some power to change Jeremy's personality there is nothing we can do about that. Except of course, if you are so far up yourself that you think Labour should change its leader in order to suit people who have already decided to vote for someone else anyway. We've already seen how 2015 went thanks very much.
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Oct 25, 2019 17:21
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Guavanaut posted:I wonder how 2015 would have gone down if Ed had gone full balls out on popular left stuff like public utilities and national investment banks.
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Oct 25, 2019 17:22
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half the thread posted:Jo Swindon Is this some kind of sick burn I'm not aware of?
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Noxville posted:https://twitter.com/dawnhfoster/status/1187651725253062656?s=21 https://twitter.com/_FishMilk/status/1187724913559441408?s=19
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Ed balls  Tempted to make this my desktop wallpaper. Maugrim posted:Is this some kind of sick burn I'm not aware of?
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Brony Car posted:You all consider Macron a centrist? Well, he's somewhere between Melenchon and LePen. Centrist these days is pretty much synonymous with "maximalist neolib who would propose tax credits for selling your gran to an organ-harvesting multinational"
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Aramoro posted:SNP are never going to go into a coalition with Labour, not without a guarantee of a new IndyRef and even then can't see it being formal. Aye they will. You allow the Tories back into power when you could have gotten them out then you lose a huge chunk of support who think you're meaningfully different from Labour. The SNP can't be exposed as New Labour but with less obvious corruption and a smaller region to be nationalist in. If there's a chance to get the Tories out the SNP are duty bound to do it. Not doing so would probably see a similar swing from the SNP to Labour as happened in reverse when Labour campaigned with the tories for remain. Minority government is more likely but I'd still say coalition to get the full concessions from Labour. NotJustANumber99 posted:Like an independent Scotland. Ironically I think that a Labour government would result in another remain vote for the Indyref. Can't underestimate how much indy support comes from looking horrified at what the English are doing. An England that gets it's poo poo together and probably votes to remain in the EU when the press gets pissed off that it won't result in the absolute strip-mining of everything left not nailed down would see a fall in support to leave because why are you leaving when you got what you wanted remaining?
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Maugrim posted:Is this some kind of sick burn I'm not aware of? Also possibly: just funny to mistype names derisively Also possibly: autocorrect
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I kinda like the idea of finally remaining in the EU but then Scotland votes to get stuck in a Scoxit hell for 4 years and it's all the exact same poo poo. And then referendums are outlawed in 2025.
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Noxville posted:https://twitter.com/dawnhfoster/status/1187651725253062656?s=21 Even better those boys are Dubs, so its like at least a double racism. Random Integer fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Oct 25, 2019 |
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Urgh I've been awake like 24 hours and I'm knackered, is parliament still not doing anything since yesterday?
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 Haribo is innocent! Bobby Deluxe posted:Possibly: Sargon of Akkad's real name is Carl and he comes from Swindon, so we refer to him as Carl of Swindon. Jo Swindon sounds the same. I got Chuka Unable and I'm not correcting that.
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The EU27 reasonably don't care to be the UK opposition bench's excuse for a general election, and they have announced their punt to go after the Monday vote... What's next, a VONC on Wednesday? That would be a blatant attempt to call the European Council's threat as a bluff - namely the conditioning on the UK legislature embracing something (like a GE) that could change the status quo on Brexit, whilst thoroughly owning that outcome
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Julio Cruz posted:jesus christ how comedy-starved does your life have to be before you start finding someone posting “brutal” and “anyone else” in strict rotation funny it is impossible to see art when one is the canvas my friend.
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After his article in Open Democracy, (https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/british-journalists-have-become-part-of-johnsons-fake-news-machine/) Oborne has quit Daily Mail (well his weekly column contract anyway) https://twitter.com/OborneTweets/status/1187730290598465539?s=20
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Can somebody else read this so I don't have to. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/25/labour-jeremy-corbyn-party-leader-brexit-boris-johnson
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Pistol_Pete posted:Can somebody else read this so I don't have to. Was going to until I saw it was by Friedbread and can't comment.
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