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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:The Jeff and Annie romance in Community will not age well. Wasn't it presented as unhealthy and creepy?
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Except when it wasn't, yes.
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Oct 25, 2019 14:12
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Was there an actual romance though? I didn’t watch that last season, but it always seemed to be a “will they, won’t they” that thankfully never completed.
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Oct 25, 2019 15:01
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Krispy Wafer posted:Was there an actual romance though? I didn’t watch that last season, but it always seemed to be a “will they, won’t they” that thankfully never completed. They kissed early on but it was written as a mistake
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Oct 25, 2019 18:48
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Those of us on the message boards call them Jannie
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Oct 25, 2019 19:44
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Honestly Annie and Britta feel like vastly different characters from about the second season onward. Britta especially.
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Oct 25, 2019 19:54
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christmas boots posted:Honestly Annie and Britta feel like vastly different characters from about the second season onward. Britta especially. The whole show got really weird after about the third season premiere. I totally dropped off of it early on S3 because it seemed too gimmicky and it looks like it crawled up its own rear end entirely about midway through that year.
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Oct 25, 2019 19:59
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The relentless need to own Britta speaks to something dark and unpleasant in the show's writers.
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Oct 25, 2019 20:11
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Whiz Palace posted:The relentless need to own Britta speaks to something dark and unpleasant in the show's writers. IIRC a lot of the character’s change was at Gillian Jacob’s request and she obviously had a lot more fun playing the later incarnation of the character
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Oct 25, 2019 20:24
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Yeah, I really liked Community for most of its run but Britta just got destroyed as a character. She went from being able to hold her own against Jeff with the mutual scheming and planning and then after a few seasons, her name was literally campus slang for failure.
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Oct 25, 2019 20:25
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Of course you're going to be a failure if you mispronounce "Bagel". I haven't seen beyond season 3 which is probably for the best, and also accounts for 65% of the length so it's more good than bad. I think it's important that we have women like Britta in fiction who are frequently the butt of a joke and a source of comedy, because otherwise you end up with the expendable-woman trope. This is a woman who is never gets to do anything funny in a comedy and is often replaced with the next girl of the week e.g. Austin Powers and Kevin James.
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Oct 25, 2019 21:32
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Inspector Gesicht posted:Of course you're going to be a failure if you mispronounce "Bagel". Yeah, Britta started out as the Sensible Woman and we should be thankful that she was rewritten.
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Oct 25, 2019 21:43
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Writers who can only think to mess with Britta need some kind of censor to make them branch out, someone who will tell them to do something else. A Britta Filter if you will. :P
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Oct 25, 2019 23:25
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BioEnchanted posted:Writers who can only think to mess with Britta need some kind of censor to make them branch out, someone who will tell them to do something else. A Britta Filter if you will. :P this opportunity comes once in a lifetime
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Oct 26, 2019 01:42
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They had the same problem a lot of American comedies do where their designated punching bag character it's okay to bully became very obviously a designated punching bag character it's okay to bully and every joke aimed at how dumb, useless and wrong Britta was felt like they were simply punching down at an easy target. Because that's what they were doing, while moving the target lower and lower each episode because people laughed the last time, right? Even the funny jokes started to feel extremely mean-spirited, and Britta too sympathetic. The pie in the face is only funny when the sap's got dignity. Did Community last long enough to do an episode where the actual character literally says it's in the common good for them to be bullied (please keep laughing), like Family Guy, American Dad, Parks and Rec etc. did for their stock punching bag?
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Oct 26, 2019 02:05
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But Klaus does suck. Butters sucks too.
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Oct 26, 2019 04:13
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Gaunab posted:But Klaus does suck. Butters sucks too. Somebody wrote those characters.
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Oct 26, 2019 04:15
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sassassin posted:They had the same problem a lot of American comedies do where their designated punching bag character it's okay to bully became very obviously a designated punching bag character it's okay to bully and every joke aimed at how dumb, useless and wrong Britta was felt like they were simply punching down at an easy target. Because that's what they were doing, while moving the target lower and lower each episode because people laughed the last time, right? Even the funny jokes started to feel extremely mean-spirited, and Britta too sympathetic. Parks and Rec actually handled it well. Larry just rolled with the punches and put up with it because his job made it able to have the most fulfilling family life he could possibly imagine. Usually the punching bag has nothing else to do besides be mocked or wrong, but once Larry clocked out he was the real winner in life.
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Oct 26, 2019 04:21
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pentyne posted:Parks and Rec actually handled it well. Larry just rolled with the punches and put up with it because his job made it able to have the most fulfilling family life he could possibly imagine. Usually the punching bag has nothing else to do besides be mocked or wrong, but once Larry clocked out he was the real winner in life. Also he has the biggest penis that doctor had ever seen. The doctor didn't even check him for mumps, he was so shocked by the penis.
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Oct 26, 2019 04:39
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Gaunab posted:But Klaus does suck. Butters sucks too. Butters wins a fair amount of the time, and even when he’s in a losing position he gets his shots in, like in the bullying episode with his grandma. It’s all in character with his attitude of being crapped on but rolling with it. Meanwhile, community had no idea what to do with Britta, or Annie, or any character that wasn’t Jeff, Troy, or Abed and there was some cast churn because of it.
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Oct 26, 2019 04:50
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Which was a great shame because the couple of time's they used Shirley, Yvette Nicole Brown always put in some of the best acting of the show. She was a really underused asset.  Also the show would have been way better if they didn't get Chevy Chase, his character was a drain on the show and Chevy's whole "grumpy old man" personality was a big cause for that.
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Oct 26, 2019 05:06
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umalt posted:Which was a great shame because the couple of time's they used Shirley, Yvette Nicole Brown always put in some of the best acting of the show. She was a really underused asset. They should have learned from SNL and just let him grump out early in the second season.
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Oct 26, 2019 05:26
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umalt posted:Which was a great shame because the couple of time's they used Shirley, Yvette Nicole Brown always put in some of the best acting of the show. She was a really underused asset. He left BECAUSE they were making him the grumpy old man and a racist besides the whole time. Well, because of his rant about that, but yeah.
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Oct 26, 2019 05:33
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As much as a legendary rear end in a top hat as Chevy Chase is, the behind the scenes environment on Community didn't sound so great either.
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That's absolutely true, and in retrospect I don't begrudge NBC for dropping Dan Harmon like a rock partway through the series. That man is a human trash fire and should not have the amount of acclaim and success he has had.
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Oct 26, 2019 05:54
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pentyne posted:Parks and Rec actually handled it well. Larry just rolled with the punches and put up with it because his job made it able to have the most fulfilling family life he could possibly imagine. Usually the punching bag has nothing else to do besides be mocked or wrong, but once Larry clocked out he was the real winner in life. I read an article the other day that theorized Jerry was secretly the current leader of a cult (that may or may not worship Zorp*) that made a lot of sense, given Pawnee's take-over by the Reasonablists in the 1970's. *Hail Zorp. LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:As much as a legendary rear end in a top hat as Chevy Chase is, the behind the scenes environment on Community didn't sound so great either. I think it was the season 3 Christmas or wrap party where Dan Harmon tried to lead the entire cast and crew into a giant "gently caress you" chant at Chevy. I mean, say what you will about Chevy Chase, but it's still a work environment. Supposedly they've made some kind of amends, but it's been a while since I followed any news of that. I mean, I'm the guy that made a BSG/Community mashup video and I still only got halfway through season 5. Harmon's also in my avatar.
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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:As much as a legendary rear end in a top hat as Chevy Chase is, the behind the scenes environment on Community didn't sound so great either. His rant was kind of understandable when you look at it from someone who had a lot of comedic talent but was forced to just play a racist villain all the drat time.
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Oct 26, 2019 06:31
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Chevy Chase was great on Community though? That being said I wouldn't have minded more Keith David and Paget Brewster.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:His rant was kind of understandable when you look at it from someone who had a lot of comedic talent but was forced to just play a racist villain all the drat time. "Play"
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rodbeard posted:"Play" Yeah, let's not forget this is the guy who told Donald Glover to his face "people think you're funnier because you're black". Chase is probably much more like Pierce than he cares to admit.
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rodbeard posted:"Play" Yeah, when every character on Community starting after the back 9 on season one became more like the actor's real personality, and Pierce became more and more racist, because he was, in real life, a miserable old man. And all the work from Chuck and Community to bring Chevy Chase back from walking punch line in the mid-2000s was quickly eroded.
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It's hosed up to remember that Donald Glover was a diversity hire on 30 Rock
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Ugly In The Morning posted:His rant was kind of understandable when you look at it from someone who had a lot of comedic talent but was forced to just play a racist villain all the drat time. We are talking about Chevy Chase still, right?
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sassassin posted:They had the same problem a lot of American comedies do where their designated punching bag character it's okay to bully became very obviously a designated punching bag character it's okay to bully and every joke aimed at how dumb, useless and wrong Britta was felt like they were simply punching down at an easy target. Because that's what they were doing, while moving the target lower and lower each episode because people laughed the last time, right? Even the funny jokes started to feel extremely mean-spirited, and Britta too sympathetic. The episode of Family Guy where Meg finally stood up for herself and told the family off and then turned back around and apologized to them is the fastest I've ever gone from 'gently caress YEAH' to "gently caress NO! WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!' I probably could have sued Fox for whiplash after watching that. But that's what I get for watching an episode of Family Guy, I guess. 
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Oct 26, 2019 12:48
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I have the same issue which is why I constantly root for Cyril on Archer even though he's a trashfire of a person.
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Oct 26, 2019 12:56
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Vandar posted:The episode of Family Guy where Meg finally stood up for herself and told the family off and then turned back around and apologized to them is the fastest I've ever gone from 'gently caress YEAH' to "gently caress NO! WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!' I probably could have sued Fox for whiplash after watching that. That was my breaking point with that show. Glad I did it, since the stuff with Quagmire and his sister probably would have given me whiplash Pam's the best person on Archer
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Oct 26, 2019 14:00
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How the hell has Family Guy gotten away with Quagmire for so long without some kind of massive outcry against him?
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Oct 26, 2019 14:07
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HopperUK posted:I have the same issue which is why I constantly root for Cyril on Archer even though he's a trashfire of a person. Cyril is like Butters in that he has the veneer of being a reasonable person who is being unfairly dumped on but they're actually just as bad as or maybe even worse than everyone else. I know you already know that but I wanted to say that.
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AceOfFlames posted:Yeah, let's not forget this is the guy who told Donald Glover to his face "people think you're funnier because you're black". Chase is probably much more like Pierce than he cares to admit. Yikes, didn’t know about that one! I just remember hearing about him bitch in, uh, loving terrible terms about how all he got to do was be a racist foil for Shirley/Troy.
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Vandar posted:How the hell has Family Guy gotten away with Quagmire for so long without some kind of massive outcry against him? Is it a statement on how few people watch that show anymore?
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