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If you play persistent petitioners in brawl congratulations on your win because gently caress you I'm not sitting there and watching you masturbate.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:So you're saying Mulldrifter is a Time Walk. Worse than that, Birds of Paradise is no longer a Time Walk
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Oct 26, 2019 05:43
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:So you're saying Mulldrifter is a Time Walk. Teferi bouncing your Baneslayer is a time walk. Teferi bouncing your Mulldrifter is not a time walk. Oko turning either into an Elk is not a time walk but one is a lot better than the other.
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GoutPatrol posted:After playing several Pioneer games with my friends and what we each brought to test yesterday...Copycat is getting banned by the end of the year. Trophy leader as of noon today has just been farming leagues with his 4 color Saheeli deck, while my opinion means nothing in the grand scheme of things it surely seems like the current best deck while people are feeling out the format / testing stuff. The UR Phoenix lists that people are refining are starting to look nice as well. I really wish that there was a way to observe the MTGO pioneer tournament this weekend, I’m sure plenty of people will be streaming but being able to jump to different games and see what people are doing would be a lot of fun. How many local stores have started up weekly pioneer events in everyone’s area? One store is doing a launch tournament this Saturday and the big store in my area is doing weekly events starting next week. Edit - also on mtgo people are running main deck mystical dispute already to try and counter the 3 cmc walkers Dehtraen fucked around with this message at 05:52 on Oct 26, 2019 |
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Oct 26, 2019 05:49
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Oko really does mess pretty badly with a longstanding weakness of UG; that it sucks really badly at dealing with “answer me or die” creatures. I would almost go so far as to call it a colour pie break.
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Oct 26, 2019 05:53
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ungulateman posted:Teferi bouncing your Baneslayer is a time walk. Teferi bouncing your Mulldrifter is not a time walk. thats why they didnt want sea gate oracle legal in pioneer, it would be too good against oko TheKingofSprings posted:Oko really does mess pretty badly with a longstanding weakness of UG; that it sucks really badly at dealing with “answer me or die” creatures. I would almost go so far as to call it a colour pie break. as it turns out repeatable pongify is pretty good
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Oct 26, 2019 05:55
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Kurieg posted:If you play persistent petitioners in brawl congratulations on your win because gently caress you I'm not sitting there and watching you masturbate. Someone tried that against me with Oko and I just started turning them into 3/3s. Having a lot of 3/3s with no other text is not very scary. Please play more.
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Oct 26, 2019 05:56
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Arivia posted:Someone tried that against me with Oko and I just started turning them into 3/3s. Having a lot of 3/3s with no other text is not very scary. Please play more. That says more about Oko than it does about petitioners in a limited format.
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Oct 26, 2019 06:00
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Oko is just Pithing Needle for creatures.
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Oct 26, 2019 06:07
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bringing up pongify made me look it up and those suckers are almost four bucks. time spiral was such a rad set
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rabidsquid posted:bringing up pongify made me look it up and those suckers are almost four bucks. time spiral was such a rad set There was actually a functional reprint in Ravnica except it made lizards
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TheKingofSprings posted:There was actually a functional reprint in Ravnica except it made lizards
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At what point does your local store start doing something about slow play? Tried a new shop out of curiosity. Didn't randomize seating so I got to listen to players on the far end of the pod openly discussing their picks and passes, good start. Round 3 comes around. I lose game 1 in about 8 minutes. Game 2 starts and suddenly my opponent is tanking nearly every single turn. Missing triggers, going back over triggers. Never updating life totals properly. At about twenty minutes into this I call a judge/store employee and ask for them to watch for slow play. During the remaining 20 minutes my opponent gets warned by the store employee 6 different times to speed things up. We go to turns and I just scoop. I should've upped and left after the second admonition without action but it's been a long day and I simply wanted to play some stupid wizard poker.
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Oct 26, 2019 07:32
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PJOmega posted:At what point does your local store start doing something about slow play? its not really going to be a thing that can be actioned upon at regular REL
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Oct 26, 2019 07:35
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I'm currently 1-1 in the flashback Masters II draft league, and wow, banding sucks. People make jokes about how hard it is to understand, but it's also incredibly obnoxious to play against. I enjoyed my first game and was thinking about doing another draft afterwards but nevermind.
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kurona_bright posted:I'm currently 1-1 in the flashback Masters II draft league, and wow, banding sucks. People make jokes about how hard it is to understand, but it's also incredibly obnoxious to play against. I enjoyed my first game and was thinking about doing another draft afterwards but nevermind. you could've just drafted tolaria
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Banding is a special combination of confusing and busted as hell.Jabor posted:Dig and Cruise aren't enough? Absolutely not. You can't just sit around and cast a Dig on turn 4 and then hope to try to win turn 5 or 6. I'm playing Commune with the Gods, which digs 5 deep for an Ascendancy or mana dork, plus puts 5 or 6 cards in the yard, plus a pile of cantrips so I can Cruise/Dig on turn 3 very easily even if I miss. These other versions cannot cast their delve spells easily, and they're not running much other cantrips or other forms of card velocity, so it mostly seems like their plan is to mull to the nuts or pray to topdeck well, and also hope the opponent doesn't disrupt them. Dehtraen posted:I really wish that there was a way to observe the MTGO pioneer tournament this weekend, I’m sure plenty of people will be streaming but being able to jump to different games and see what people are doing would be a lot of fun. You can join the event, play all the rounds without dropping, and then after the finals finish you can watch all the replays of all the matches. If you ever close the window or the client when you do not have another round to play, you can never get the window back up, because of a change WotC made a few months ago. That makes it a huge pain in the rear end for the pauper people to collect metagame information from the challenge, since all it takes is one crash or misclick for that person to no longer be able to contribute to watching replays. Also Spell Pierce has to be better than Mystical Dispute. How many blue creatures are particularly threatening? Even against random aggro decks, surely it's better to have a reasonable one-mana counter for only non-creatures than a mediocre three mana counter that can counter both. Though Narset and Teferi are both real drat stupid so I can see wanting to do your best against them.
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I opened an Oko while drafting Eldraine  I guess I'm buying a Pioneer manabase with that!
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Boy do I love playing against Oko, Simic really needed more tools in this metagame full of colors that aren't green and blue!
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Oct 26, 2019 12:47
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TheKingofSprings posted:Oko really does mess pretty badly with a longstanding weakness of UG; that it sucks really badly at dealing with “answer me or die” creatures. I would almost go so far as to call it a colour pie break. I think the pongify would have been immensely more "in color" if it was a minus. That way they couldn't just blast your creature every turn. As it stands it's basically a kill spell as a plus, which I believe they've never done before since that seems pretty obviously broken!
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Oct 26, 2019 15:01
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Oh and in addition to being repeatable no cost creature removal, it's repeatable no cost artifact removal too, can't forget that
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Oct 26, 2019 15:02
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Oko is a messed up Magic: The Gathering card
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Oct 26, 2019 15:08
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Turns out having what is effectively Beast Within on a +1 is pretty broken
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mandatory lesbian posted:Oh and in addition to being repeatable no cost creature removal, it's repeatable no cost artifact removal too, can't forget that Playing against Oko in Brawl essentially means your commander's text box is blank if they're a creature Fun
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Oct 26, 2019 15:20
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MikeCrotch posted:Playing against Oko in Brawl essentially means your commander's text box is blank if they're a creature has brawl ever had anything banned?
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Oct 26, 2019 15:24
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Rinkles posted:has brawl ever had anything banned? Baral.
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Oct 26, 2019 15:25
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Rinkles posted:has brawl ever had anything banned? sorcerous spyglass is banned because it blanks the text box of commanders, something you're only allowed to do if you're the pushed storyline mythic for a set (in which case you're allowed to do that with a ton of additional upside, also you're allowed to be have access to that effect on turn 3 100% of the time).
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AnEdgelord posted:Turns out having what is effectively Beast Within on a +1 is pretty broken I could have told you out in the yard, why are they so bad at pushing cards some times? What farts are they huffing that let these things out the door?
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Oct 26, 2019 15:32
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Think how good the card would have still been if it was -1.
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oko would be a neat support card for wicked wolf if he started with -1 loyalty. if gruul and r/b knights could immediately obliterate him with fry out of the board he would not exist as a metagame threat
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Sickening posted:Think how good the card would have still been if it was -1. Oh It should be like, minus three. And the food thing should be a plus one. It dodging fry as it hits the board is dumb, fry was created specifically to deal with problematic planeswalkers, don't gimp it just bc you were horny for oko or whatever happened in development
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i guarantee you the reason oko's food is a +2 is "lifegain is bad, everyone knows that, this is so low impact we better make it hard to remove" then at a different point in development someone spilled coffee on a design doc and made his pongify a +1 instead of a -1.
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Oct 26, 2019 16:29
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MikeCrotch posted:Playing against Oko in Brawl essentially means your commander's text box is blank if they're a creature
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Oct 26, 2019 16:38
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Let me play sourcerous spyglass as my commander.
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Oct 26, 2019 16:53
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Brawl is unplayable with Oko in the format, what a dumb card
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What gets me is you only need to play against oko a handful of times to see how busted it is, it’s not like there’s some unanticipated interaction they overlooked. Card’s just ridiculous, and even if you don’t see it just by reading the card it should only take a few games of it hitting the board T3 to see why it’s too much. So some group of people was definitely able to look at this and still were like “yeah seems fine”
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Oct 26, 2019 18:12
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https://twitter.com/sickofit/status/1188134456118235136 https://twitter.com/BasicMountain/status/1188143184204812288 https://twitter.com/lsv/status/1188143421346594816 :oko:
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So our tenuous dreams of all the decks that can beat Oko coming out of the woodwork post-ban were... excessively optimistic, eh
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Oct 26, 2019 18:52
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Golgari/Jund adventure seems to do okay against Oko but that's about it. Even then your chances aren't great. I'm surprised Esper isn't making more of a resurgence.
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The secret to fighting Oko is super simple. Only play cheap 3/3 (or smaller) creatures with powerful ETB abilities and no artifacts. How hard is that?
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