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Mr Interweb posted:speaking of divorce, is he still married to kim kardashian? more importantly, why the gently caress would anyone care?
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Feinne posted:He's a transmedicalist who really dislikes nonbinary people and outed Lana Wachowski because he was sore that his wife was leaving him for her. He is also bffs with Graham Lineham. AHAHAHA oh you can't be serious. One of the directors of the Matrix took his now ex-wife? And he not only tolerates Glinner, but is *friends* with him?
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The thing is that, much like everything else, this just feels like stuff being brought to a head. There have been people angry that Contra got famous or that any of "breadtube" got famous, there are people with legitimate views about how much of a poo poo Buck Angel is, there are people worried that if you give people too much power then they will dissapoint you, people who are dissapointed about Laci Green etc etc. The problem, as much as it is a problem, is that the very structureless form of media that we have encourages people to not know what their responsibilities are whilst also being inherently touchy about how they got to that position in the first place.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Every dog in the United States started barking at once holy poo poo. From "Black People need minimum wage because they wouldn't earn the same as white people" to "minwage kills jobs so only the I cannot look at this ad as anything but actal, factual racist propaganda. I'm expecting a KKK watermark in the corner. TPUSA needs to be investigated.
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moths posted:Ok thanks for that link. That's one part of the issue with her, but there's been a larger pattern of behavior that makes her opinions on what Being Trans is mega suspect For example, platforming actual transmed shithead Buck Angel! But really this all started with the Aesthetic video which you can argue is really just her working through her different ideas about how to Do A Trans in the guise of her characters but then you look at which character says what and how they day it and uhhhhhh It's sketchy BENGHAZI 2 fucked around with this message at 13:49 on Oct 26, 2019 |
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Oct 26, 2019 13:46
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I can't see this as anything but a *wink* *wink* advocation to a return to the use of slavery.
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Biscats n Gravy posted:AHAHAHA oh you can't be serious. One of the directors of the Matrix took his now ex-wife? And he not only tolerates Glinner, but is *friends* with him? Yeah I think it is important to be clear that the specific outing was absolutely personal animus, we should be precise in our descriptions of how people are lovely. And Buck is basically the go-to transmedicalist for TERFs because he agrees with almost everything they do.
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Also there was the time Natalie referred to herself as the last of the old school transsexuals which is really weird until you remember that's some transmed bullshit and then it suddenly clicks with all the other poo poo she's said
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I always thought Nat was a terminally online shitlib for the lip-service she paid to the 4chan, but that made me go from sourly neutral to actively dislike. It's an even bigger shame that Olly of Philosophy Tube "stanned" for her (his words) and then released a non-apology Tweet that shilled for his next video. So gently caress "Breadtube," its biggest figures are an human centipede ouroboros of hypocrisy. It's no wonder the Right has such a stranglehold on media when all major lefties either don't get time or turn out to be liberal scum.
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I don't watch Contrapoints just because I don't really like her costume plays, so all of this poo poo is new to me. But a couple of people have mentioned "transmedicalist" - could someone explain what that is to me, a naive cis person? I'm picking up the context clues, but I've just never heard the term before.
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Crunch Buttsteak posted:I don't watch Contrapoints just because I don't really like her costume plays, so all of this poo poo is new to me. But a couple of people have mentioned "transmedicalist" - could someone explain what that is to me, a naive cis person? I'm picking up the context clues, but I've just never heard the term before. transmedicalists insist that only binary trans people exist and nonbinary folx are transtrenders trying to get in on all the positive attention and kowtowing real trans people supposedly get yes, it is as insane as it sounds they're also known as truscum
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The hell of it is her stuff on chuds and their dipshit ideas is pretty good She's just also trash
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Sometimes I do think we tend to be quick to doubt others on their ideas when we never have the same level of scrutiny applied to our own.
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Josef bugman posted:Sometimes I do think we tend to be quick to doubt others on their ideas when we never have the same level of scrutiny applied to our own. Agreed. BENGHAZI 2 posted:Also there was the time Natalie referred to herself as the last of the old school transsexuals which is really weird until you remember that's some transmed bullshit and then it suddenly clicks with all the other poo poo she's said Most of her videos really click for me, and I think part of it that the relatively recent widespread discussion about trans people and trans rights has changed the way people struggle with, accept, and come out as trans. Don't get me wrong, it's an incredibly positive thing, it's just a cultural shift that I haven't fully adjusted to and I sometimes feel like the last of the old school as well because of it. The example of someone in complete boy mode introducing themselves in a group with a female name and pronouns is awesome, and that it's possible is a huge positive step. But it's something I could never have done when I was in that place, and when I was transitioning it was unthinkable. tldr: I'm old and relate to the olds, and the kids are alright. DeadlyMuffin fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Oct 26, 2019 |
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Josef bugman posted:Sometimes I do think we tend to be quick to doubt others on their ideas when we never have the same level of scrutiny applied to our own. i think we have a responsibility to expose our ideas to scrutiny so that they can be refined, that's what debate is for. otherwise you end up in an echo chamber where you never improve at thinking
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So I've been debating some right wingers and you know how right wingers never bothered with stuff like "truth" or "sources" or "facts" etc. Some part of me attributed this to ignorance but it might be just straight up malice. Because I noticed that if you just give them a complete bullshit source. Or you cite a law that doesn't exist and then give them a 100 page legal PDF as source. They often take for granted that they have been caught. And so go into full evasive action. Instead of reading the source and try to find holes in it. They will instead maintain that while that specific claim might be correct. It doesn't apply to the issue itself.
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Eschenique posted:So I've been debating some right wingers and you know how right wingers never bothered with stuff like "truth" or "sources" or "facts" etc. Liberal fascism differs from classical fascism in many ways. I don't deny this. Indeed, it is central to my point.
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razorrozar posted:i think we have a responsibility to expose our ideas to scrutiny so that they can be refined, that's what debate is for. otherwise you end up in an echo chamber where you never improve at thinking Oh indeed, the problem is that when the idea comes at us with the effect of an Al Swearengen rant, we may not respond well. And it also keeps going round and round, eventually we get people going "well they wouldn't keep being called out if they weren't doing something wrong". I dunno. I understand and do not wish to defend someone about whom I know less than nothing, but it's still something that I think we as people need to work on. Some ideas though? Some things are just plain awful and should remain as far away from everyone else as possible.
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Eschenique posted:So I've been debating some right wingers and you know how right wingers never bothered with stuff like "truth" or "sources" or "facts" etc. Right wingers don't debate in good faith you say??
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DeadlyMuffin posted:Agreed. the problem is she's not an old, she's just a shithead
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i mean, the thing i just read about pronoun checks being awkward is pretty accurate for many of my friends. the whole "this meeting is all cis people trying to figure out specifically my pronouns" thing is totally real. i'm gonna leave this internet fight to the young queers this time around.
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Again tho she is the Young people Yeah actual older trans people were pretty united in making GBS threads all over her attempt to claim her positions were the same as theirs. I personally suspect all this is a long-con to get anyone at all to give a poo poo about her most recent video, which was 5 minutes of content in a 50 minute bag.
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Feinne posted:Yeah actual older trans people were pretty united in making GBS threads all over her attempt to claim her positions were the same as theirs. and the one after it, given her apology was basically "i did this for a reason tune in next time on dragon ball z!"
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:and the one after it, given her apology was basically "i did this for a reason tune in next time on dragon ball z!" The most unkind cut of course is that if you watch the credits Lana Wachowski contributes to her loving patreon so she almost certainly also watches the videos and had to surprise hear the rear end in a top hat who tried to get her killed.
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Feinne posted:The most unkind cut of course is that if you watch the credits Lana Wachowski contributes to her loving patreon so she almost certainly also watches the videos and had to surprise hear the rear end in a top hat who tried to get her killed. Wait, what? I'm not following you at all but I want to understand
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DeadlyMuffin posted:Wait, what? Lana Wachowski has been giving contrapoints money through patreon, which also means it's pretty likely she watches the videos. The most recent one had Buck Angel doing a voice. Buck Angel outed Lana Wachowski as trans because his wife was leaving him for her. And not just in some casual way, he talked a bunch of poo poo in the clear hope of at a minimum ending her career but really shooting for 'some transphobe kills her'. Like it's fine if you think that's overstating it but personally outing someone is a thing you do if you want them to die. Feinne fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Oct 26, 2019 |
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Oct 26, 2019 22:28
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DeadlyMuffin posted:Wait, what? Lana Wachowski, who was outed publically by Buck Angel because his wife left him for her, is one of Natalie's patrons
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Feinne posted:Like it's fine if you think that's overstating it but personally outing someone is a thing you do if you want them to die. Let's not be hysterical here. They also out people so their victims merely wish they were dead This guy has also been protected by goon celeb Hbomberguy who only started pretending to support left causes after being involved with CHUD harassment for years. Deport The Irish fucked around with this message at 23:09 on Oct 26, 2019 |
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Deport The Irish posted:Let's not be hysterical here. They also out people so their victims merely wish they were dead That's heartbreaking to hear, do you have something to support it?
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Harvey Mantaco posted:That's heartbreaking to hear, do you have something to support it? ...just look at their past posts archived on literally this website?
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Deport The Irish posted:...just look at their past posts archived on literally this website? Yeah let me use that fantabulous search engine
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Deport The Irish posted:...just look at their past posts archived on literally this website? Lol thanks prick
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:the problem is she's not an old, she's just a shithead I've seen her specific kind of bigotry from other trans people in the past, and it's very similar to the way some white cis gender-conforming gay men complain about femmes making gay people look bad or upper class black people think lower class black people make black people look bad. As a trans person who was comfortable picking a place on the binary and then able to successfully transition in the way that society finds more acceptable she has a certain kind of privilege, even if trans people as a whole are not usually thought of as privileged. She appears to have kind of a chip on her shoulder about it even though there's clear holes in it. Not everybody sees the binary, a construction of cis society, as valid. Not everybody can or even wants to do medical transition steps. Most people are kind of just trying to survive, and her basically making GBS threads on them for not being exactly like her is dumb. There's also might be some kind of real boomer "I had to suffer so everybody else who comes after me must also suffer," energy. You see this with some trans people who are bitter that anybody who transitioned after they did might have had an easier time, and sometimes they'll call them "transtrenders." It makes me really angry whenever I come across it. It's such a lovely mentality, and as a person who's pretty loving young she has no excuse.
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Eschenique posted:So I've been debating some right wingers and you know how right wingers never bothered with stuff like "truth" or "sources" or "facts" etc. In my experience, they seem to start with the conclusion first (capitalism is good, the bible is true, liberals are bad, stand for the flag) and then do some kid of weird mental crab walk to work backwards into the argument in ways that fit those beliefs. They deal in absolutes in ways that create very odd mental barriers to anything resembling data or facts and to where any failures are attributed to individual weakness. That's not very well worded but I see a lot of cross over between the mindsets of hardcore dug in conservatives and things like Amway/MLM and televangalism. It's very frustrating.
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also similar to bi erasure, although that's a bit different in that bisexuals ACTUALLY DO have an easier time than homosexuals adopting protective coloration if absolutely necessary
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Crunch Buttsteak posted:I don't watch Contrapoints just because I don't really like her costume plays, so all of this poo poo is new to me. But a couple of people have mentioned "transmedicalist" - could someone explain what that is to me, a naive cis person? I'm picking up the context clues, but I've just never heard the term before. To add to what razorrozar said. Transmedicalists think you're only validly trans if you medically transition. Especially getting bottom/top surgery as is applicable, if memory serves. It ties into the gate keeping of the past from the medical community. Wherein you had to have "Real Life Experience" of presenting as your preferred gender, before you could start any sort of hormones or other medical assistance (hormones, etc.)
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Manuel Calavera posted:To add to what razorrozar said. Transmedicalists think you're only validly trans if you medically transition. Especially getting bottom/top surgery as is applicable, if memory serves. It ties into the gate keeping of the past from the medical community. Wherein you had to have "Real Life Experience" of presenting as your preferred gender, before you could start any sort of hormones or other medical assistance (hormones, etc.) Kinda (really) lovely that Buck Angel is apparently this given what he has typically been most famous for.
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Feinne posted:He's a transmedicalist who really dislikes nonbinary people and outed Lana Wachowski because he was sore that his wife was leaving him for her. He is also bffs with Graham Lineham. Ok, I tried to understand what Transmedicalism is and bounced off. Its a belief that you can only be considered a transgender man or woman if you go through with the full medical procedure, and living as your mental gender is not enough, you are just a man or woman pretending to be your mental gender? Thats lovely. (I hope I'm getting this right, I don't want to offend anyone with wrong terms.) Outing someone is a very dick move, especially when it can get them killed. I dont know who Graham Lineham is. Had to look that up as well. His wiki showing that he compared Trans rights activism to Nazi Germany shows that he is a poo poo head. I don't follow the goings on in gender rights very closely. I just know gently caress those that would impose on others for their nebulous reasons.
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