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It's been so long since I've seen this thread near the top of my bookmarks I had completely forgotten about it. Pretty much every mega-thread I've ever followed has new people come in every once in a while and say "yeah but what about -thing-" that everyone else is already familiar with. It's like complaining about reposts on reddit or something. For something actually on topic - I'm rereading (listening to) Lies of Locke LaMora for about the 4th time....shame that series went off the rails so fast.
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sharknado slashfic posted:It's been so long since I've seen this thread near the top of my bookmarks I had completely forgotten about it. Wait, since when is Lies of Locke Lamora UF?
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Oct 26, 2019 20:48
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ookiimarukochan posted:In the first book he explicitly says that he appears as if he's a smart person (has the look and some of the interests) but isn't actually smart enough to be a smart person, and doesn't have the focus to make a good policeman, these two factors are the whole issue that he's about to be put in a safe trivial position which lets the Met look like they're ethnically diverse without the potential for a gently caress-up. And of course, at the end of the first book he causes a massive gently caress-up. Plus a load of the statements he gives in a very authoritative tone are incorrect, and not because Ben Aaronovich hosed up the research. Peter's success at modernizing and revitalizing the Folly while handling most of the spooky crimes in London suggest Neblett was wrong about Peter and I'm pretty sure he even says as much when he shows up again. He even earned the grudging respect of the murder cops because he is actually good at what he does even though they really hate dealing with the spooky poo poo. Peter himself is very self-deprecating because he is British as gently caress. Any fuckups at the end of the first book are just as much Nightingale's fault as Peters. Hub Cat fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Oct 26, 2019 |
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Oct 26, 2019 20:54
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ookiimarukochan posted:In the first book he explicitly says that he appears as if he's a smart person (has the look and some of the interests) but isn't actually smart enough to be a smart person, and doesn't have the focus to make a good policeman, these two factors are the whole issue that he's about to be put in a safe trivial position which lets the Met look like they're ethnically diverse without the potential for a gently caress-up. And of course, at the end of the first book he causes a massive gently caress-up. Plus a load of the statements he gives in a very authoritative tone are incorrect, and not because Ben Aaronovich hosed up the research. He doesn't have the right mindset to be a straight beat cop or even homicide. He is the right kind of smart to be where he is, and more so than Leslie May who is decidedly not an idiot. He is moral, thinks broadly (at the cost of when he should be thinking narrowly), and is self-aware. People aware of their limitations as he is are not idiots. It's not that I disagree that you've given examples of behavior that isn't smart or ideal, it's that you ignore the points where he is correct, figures things out before others, and has the right solutions to broad, complex problems.
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Oct 26, 2019 21:32
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StrixNebulosa posted:Wait, since when is Lies of Locke Lamora UF? Takes place in a city and has mages, work with me here.
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Oct 26, 2019 21:34
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sharknado slashfic posted:Takes place in a city and has mages, work with me here. Wouldn't by the same logic books set in ancient Rome be UF since Rome is a big city and people believed in magic?
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Oct 26, 2019 21:46
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UF can be historical so I don't see why not?
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Oct 26, 2019 21:54
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2000 posts ago there wasn't a super strict filter on exactly what constituted UF that I recall, but if that's changed then so be it.
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Oct 26, 2019 22:11
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StrixNebulosa posted:Okay, because it was funny to horrify my friends, I started reading Anita Blake despite so many warnings, and I.. did not expect it to start with a vampire strip club. Your problem here is that the Anita Blake series is kind of an exception to the "the first book is the worst." Guilty Pleasures established the world and Anita's place in it. There was decent horror. A cool protagonist. Plus an indication of romance. The three books after that were pretty cool to. Then Anita had sex and before you could say "that escalated quickly" we were all about the male harems. I figure now we'll get.. Anita: Sorry, detective. I've got a zombie raising, a vampire execution and this Triumvirate thing where I've got to get al three of my holes filled by werewolf cocks. I'm behind on that so they're gonna run a train of 30 on me."
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Oct 26, 2019 22:22
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Is Anita Blake really that bad? I've avoided the series because I don't want to get into the couple good books if it turns really bad but I can't tell how much of this is hyperbole.
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Oct 26, 2019 22:33
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Hub Cat posted:Is Anita Blake really that bad? I've avoided the series because I don't want to get into the couple good books if it turns really bad but I can't tell how much of this is hyperbole. There is zero hyperbole in that, sadly.
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Oct 26, 2019 22:39
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Hub Cat posted:Is Anita Blake really that bad? I've avoided the series because I don't want to get into the couple good books if it turns really bad but I can't tell how much of this is hyperbole. It goes downhill book by book, not even counting the moment (Narcissus in Chains IIRC) where it turns into porn. Anita basically gets either a new superpower and/or becomes the queen of a new kind of supernatural creature in every single book (and also she has to gently caress every single one of them because Reasons) and Anita herself is a deeply, deeply lovely person (though not in a way that actually makes her interesting or facilitates drama.)
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Oct 26, 2019 22:41
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Hub Cat posted:Is Anita Blake really that bad? I've avoided the series because I don't want to get into the couple good books if it turns really bad but I can't tell how much of this is hyperbole. If you don't say, out loud, at least once, "Yikes," you're a better person than me. Charlaine Harris books take the same path, but not quite as extreme...although one of her series dips its toe into faux incest. torgeaux fucked around with this message at 22:59 on Oct 26, 2019 |
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Oct 26, 2019 22:43
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Hub Cat posted:UF can be historical so I don't see why not? Hey, I'm not complaining! I actually agree and I would like to see some UF set in Ancient Rome. Depending on how much real Latin is used I could even find a use for my old Latin-German dictionary again.
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sharknado slashfic posted:2000 posts ago there wasn't a super strict filter on exactly what constituted UF that I recall, but if that's changed then so be it. Sorry, didn't mean to gatekeep. Tell me about Lies, I own it and haven't read it yet.
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Oct 27, 2019 00:33
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It’s one of the most boring books I’ve ever read. I’ve tried to get through it 3 times, the last being audiobook and somewhere around the middle I just zone out and can’t continue.
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Oct 27, 2019 00:58
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Hub Cat posted:Is Anita Blake really that bad? I've avoided the series because I don't want to get into the couple good books if it turns really bad but I can't tell how much of this is hyperbole. Read them if you want. The first few I recall being pretty good. Then apply the Dune rule and stop when you stop liking them because they never change direction. Once they get yikes-bad, the drop off goes straight to Hell.
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Oct 27, 2019 01:12
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torgeaux posted:He doesn't have the right mindset to be a straight beat cop or even homicide. He is the right kind of smart to be where he is, and more so than Leslie May who is decidedly not an idiot. He is moral, thinks broadly (at the cost of when he should be thinking narrowly), and is self-aware. People aware of their limitations as he is are not idiots. I think what Peter had (and has) is difficulty focusing, which is why he only did average in school, why he was going to be sent to Paperwork Division, and why Nightingale was so frustrated trying to teach him magic at first. This has become less of a flaw as he's gained more experience but it hasn't (and won't and shouldn't) go away. But the flip side of that is that he's creative and inventive and is constantly distracted by "so what would happen if I did this" which is arguably why Nightingale recruited him in the first place, and which is why he's both good at magic and detective work, as long as he has someone to keep him on task.
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Oct 27, 2019 02:20
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Hub Cat posted:Is Anita Blake really that bad? I've avoided the series because I don't want to get into the couple good books if it turns really bad but I can't tell how much of this is hyperbole. The first four books (Guilty Pleasures, The Laughing Corpse, Circus of the Damned and The Lunatic Cafe) are good. Maybe not great, but good and very much readable. Laughing Corpse has one of the cooler bits I've read. Anita asks one of the villain's thugs why he does that work. The guy looks back at her and asks "Have you ever gone hungry?" The next four books are fair but growing steadily worse overall, even though there was still enough good stuff in them that I wanted to believe the series could turn around. As of book 9, Narcissus in Chains, the series finally just shat the bed. And then picked up the poo poo from the bed, formed it into a phallic shape and proceeded to mouth-gently caress itself with the bed-poo poo dildo. Okay, we've discussed Paranormal "Rapemance" books in this thread. Given me some titles. And no obscure stuff or full on porn. Give me stuff that could (and has) shown up in a Barnes and Noble or Books-a-Million. I'm thinking of doing a "Let's (or just I) read [insert paranormal rapemance book]" thread. Everyone fucked around with this message at 02:27 on Oct 27, 2019 |
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Oct 27, 2019 02:25
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docbeard posted:I think what Peter had (and has) is difficulty focusing, which is why he only did average in school, why he was going to be sent to Paperwork Division, and why Nightingale was so frustrated trying to teach him magic at first. This has become less of a flaw as he's gained more experience but it hasn't (and won't and shouldn't) go away. Agreed. This is why he is compelling as a protagonist. I don't see how one could see him as an idiot, but if one did, why would you read the books?
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Oct 27, 2019 02:35
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There’s not enough magic in the Rivers of London series. There, I said it. Peter’s been studying magic for like 5 years now and he can make a little ball of light and that’s pretty much it. Nightingale can take out tanks on his own but we hardly ever see any magic on that scale. That’s what makes Dresden interesting. The fights are basically dragon ball z characters throwing around giant blasts all the time. Rivers needs something on that scale soon.
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Oct 27, 2019 02:38
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Lkh is fine if you don’t mind poly feminine wish fulfillment and excessive gun gadget porn, and you are in a good enough headspace to read books about trauma. She actually commented on reddit once that the reason she has a pen name that writes fluff stuff is because sometimes she isn’t in a good place to research serial killers. Note that there is loads of straight manly wish fulfillment all over that doesn’t get ragged on nearly as much. “You’re a Wizard, Harry”, for example. Lkh has a whole host of problems in the text because her series are however long it is, but again so does other works we talk about on the regular. The Anita books start off noir-horror and are clearly inspired by Anne Rice and the usual crew of Hammett/Cain/Abbott. They slowly run along a meta plot of anita’s fascination, revulsion with and finally becoming the monster, much like a larger scale “Die a Little”. By the middle of the books, Anita wanders off to Santa Fe and finally embraces her monster when she meets monstrous ordinary humans and realizes that everyone is monstrous, and her refusal to be monstrous has caused people she swore to save to be harmed. It is very on brand for noir, horror, and is handled lightly enough amidst the spectacle that it doesn’t come up in these discussions as much as it should, which in its own way is interesting. If you just see orgies in the Anita Blake books you are ignoring other stuff that is thought provoking. Obsidian Butterfly is a good book in a very Kafkaesque fashion. It’s where I would say the shift in Anita from avoiding monstrosity to trying to settle into her monstrosity happens. Various attempts by Anita over the next several books to sort out her own rise as a monstrous power eventually bring her into conflict with the people who actually thwart monsters, and that plot thread ends with the sort of awkward closure that is typical of real conflicts, no one is happily ever after but the therapist billing dept. Including fans of course. Throughout all this are various sex scenes, and slice of life for the various groups of non-cishet-White people trying to deal with the deeply ironic “normal” world not liking them. Essentially LKH spends a good thousand words each book critiquing the idea that anything is or should be normal. Sometimes this is well integrated and shown not told, sometimes not so much. She is a competent author that really upsets people by taking a popular noir-horror series and driving it firmly across the field of genres and ending up in her own space. She isn’t writing romance because she talks too realistically about love and relationships and there isn’t a HEA. She isn’t writing gumshoe because not every book is procedural. She isn’t writing pure UF because many books aren’t city life at all. She’s writing her own melange of fantastic-angsty-sliceoflife-noir-horror-therapypositive-gunsandruralpositive-queer books. The sex is a big chunk of words that you can skip if it doesn’t do it for you. The series is probably available via a library, jump off whenever you find yourself alarmed at the path forward, because lkh is unapologetically not writing for everyone so if some direction bugs you it may or may not get better. Usual trigger warnings for horror written by a particular class of “identifies trauma as tough” writers apply, there be really awful poo poo ahead and the narrator does not look away. Well that turned out long.
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Oct 27, 2019 02:39
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Daric posted:There’s not enough magic in the Rivers of London series. There, I said it. Peter’s been studying magic for like 5 years now and he can make a little ball of light and that’s pretty much it. Nightingale can take out tanks on his own but we hardly ever see any magic on that scale. Ugh, no. Dresden is sci/fi channel schlock, and very entertaining for it. Rivers is law and order and very entertaining for it. Peter has shown much more magic than that, the world is populated with lots of cool magic, too. Moving to Dresdenesque power surge would not improve the series for me because that's not what it's about. I wouldn't want Dresden to power itself back to book one levels, either, that's not what it's about.
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Necrotizer F posted:Okay, we've discussed Paranormal "Rapemance" books in this thread. Given me some titles. And no obscure stuff or full on porn. Give me stuff that could (and has) shown up in a Barnes and Noble or Books-a-Million. I'm thinking of doing a "Let's (or just I) read [insert paranormal rapemance book]" thread. Anything by Nalini Singh, but my favorites by her are Slave to Sensation, Archangel's Kiss, and Archangel's Blade. Which is to say bits of her Psy-Changeling and Guild Hunter series. Both series are long-running PNR featuring usually a different couple each book. Every character has a traumatic past, some of them have magical powers, there's some kind of murder plot to solve, and they're addicting as hell. There's usually 2-3 sex scenes per book, which means they're not bad on the plot-to-porn ratio. They have problems with sexism (Men Must Protect, Women Must Be Small) but if you can hold your nose they're fantastic doritos reading, and they got me through my midterms last year. The WORST PNR I've ever read all the way through (WHY) was Midnight Hunt by LL Rand. You'd think I'd be a complete sucker for lesbian werewolves, right? WRONGO. Not like this, god not like this... ahem. The "plot" is that every werewolf in the world is insanely horny literally all the time. So they're constantly having sex. But alpha werewolf has decided not to have sex because she doesn't have a mate. Alpha werewolf is a moron, because werewolves in this universe will literally go insane and kill people if they don't have sex on a regular basis. And alphas in this universe share their emotions and sensations with their pack telepathically, so she's not just risking herself, she's risking 100+ people by refusing to have casual sex. So she meets a medic at the local hospital due to plot, gets horny for medic but controls herself, and medic (due to plot) gets bitten and turned into a werewolf by villains. Which is weird, no one's become a werewolf because of an attack like this before! Oh no! Alpha is DESPERATE to have sex with her but won't because once they mate, it's For Life so she wants her medic to have a choice about it. Which is weird because literally one of the first things the werewolf medics did upon realizing that the medic was a werewolf was teach her how to masturbate with her new clitoris-dick. Did I mention that werewolves in this universe are horny literally all the time? They are. It devolves from there. There's supposedly more plot but it's buried under an avalanche of horny werewolf clit-dick sex. ahem Finally the last thing I have read from the PNR pile is the recently finished World of the Lupi by Eileen Wilks, and um, I misfiled this. It has some stereotypes of PNR but is mostly plot, some romance, and like two pages total of sex. It's also really good, with genuinely good writing. The plot's kinda cliche - supernatural murder, then a kidnapping - but the execution was so fun and there's a grandma were-tiger - that I'm eager to read more.
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StrixNebulosa posted:Anything by Nalini Singh, but my favorites by her are Slave to Sensation, Archangel's Kiss, and Archangel's Blade. Which is to say bits of her Psy-Changeling and Guild Hunter series. Both series are long-running PNR featuring usually a different couple each book. Every character has a traumatic past, some of them have magical powers, there's some kind of murder plot to solve, and they're addicting as hell. There's usually 2-3 sex scenes per book, which means they're not bad on the plot-to-porn ratio. They have problems with sexism (Men Must Protect, Women Must Be Small) but if you can hold your nose they're fantastic doritos reading, and they got me through my midterms last year. Keep throwing yourself on those grenades for the group. You read those books, and now I will never have to even start them. If only someone had done the same for the lame "Charming" books.
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torgeaux posted:Keep throwing yourself on those grenades for the group. You read those books, and now I will never have to even start them. If only someone had done the same for the lame "Charming" books. While I prefer to read actually good/entertaining books, there's nothing quite like reading a garbage book and complaining about it to your friends while you read it. And I read a lot and I have unlimited curiosity, so... yeah. Anyways, "Wizard Cops or Sexy Werewolves, Pick One (1)" is wrong, World of the Lupi has a wizard cop banging a sexy werewolf, you don't have to pick! I mean technically she's a magic sensitive and doesn't cast any spells, but whatever, close enough.
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StrixNebulosa posted:Sorry, didn't mean to gatekeep. Tell me about Lies, I own it and haven't read it yet. No worries. Daric posted:It’s one of the most boring books I’ve ever read. I’ve tried to get through it 3 times, the last being audiobook and somewhere around the middle I just zone out and can't continue. It's very, very much a particular taste. The first book takes a good while to get going but once it does imo it really does. The very, very general idea of the first one is think Oceans 11 in medieval Venice. I'm genuinely sorry because I thought your comment meant you had already read it so I've already semi-spoiled something for you although it's not a huge surprise to anyone who has some brain cells to rub together. The second one is...ok...although it's really, really stretching the bounds of turning your brain off. The third one shouldn't exist. I'm not sure if the author ever wrote a fourth, but I kind of hope he didn't. Since you already own it I'd say give it a shot sometime and try to make it until young Locke and Jean come into their own, and if you like it read the second one and stop after that. Please guy who's name I can't remember, write more 20 Palaces books.
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torgeaux posted:Ugh, no. Dresden is sci/fi channel schlock, and very entertaining for it. Rivers is law and order and very entertaining for it. Peter has shown much more magic than that, the world is populated with lots of cool magic, too. Moving to Dresdenesque power surge would not improve the series for me because that's not what it's about. I wouldn't want Dresden to power itself back to book one levels, either, that's not what it's about. Dresden Files can be described as being about a Wizard who is also a Detective. Rivers of London can be described as being about a Detective who is also a Wizard. The former is an identity and the latter is the framing device for the stories. So a Dresden file story might start with investigating a murder but segue very quickly into necromancers, evil wizards, and riding an undead t-rex through Chicago, but a Rivers of London story will start with a crime in London spooky enough to get the magic police involved and stick pretty closely to detective procedurals from there.
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A couple weeks ago, Seanan McGuire reblogged a post on her tumblr which had a few lists of PNR authors which, the posters claim, are at least reasonable-quality and handle sex well. I can't really verify this alone (for one thing, I'm ace, so at this point I just skip over graphic sex scenes...which is going to make listening to the Linnet Ellery audiobooks interesting, since the first book has two graphic scenes, having read it), so I'm going to post the list of authors here and let you guys have a go:quote:Talia Hibbert (The last two are books/series, not authors.)
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StrixNebulosa posted:The WORST PNR I've ever read all the way through (WHY) was Midnight Hunt by LL Rand. You'd think I'd be a complete sucker for lesbian werewolves, right? WRONGO. Not like this, god not like this... ahem. The "plot" is that every werewolf in the world is insanely horny literally all the time. So they're constantly having sex. But alpha werewolf has decided not to have sex because she doesn't have a mate. Alpha werewolf is a moron, because werewolves in this universe will literally go insane and kill people if they don't have sex on a regular basis. And alphas in this universe share their emotions and sensations with their pack telepathically, so she's not just risking herself, she's risking 100+ people by refusing to have casual sex. That sounds promising, but even so, it seems to lack a sense of plot-required forced intimacy. Remember my "I am Strongjaws, Alpha of the Steeldick clan. You are my soulmate. Let me rape my way into your heart. My inner sexual assault wolf demands it." that got a laugh from you? That. Except played straight. I don't want something to enjoy on its own merits. I want something ridiculous that I can dig into and ridicule. I want the Paranormal Rapemance book version of a movie that Tom Servo, Joel and Crow would mock the poo poo out of on MST3K. C'mon Something Awful boards. Do not fail me.
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Meiteron posted:Dresden Files can be described as being about a Wizard who is also a Detective. Dresden started as Wizard who is also a detective. Now it's just superhero novels. I liked the earlier books, I liked the middle books when the shift really kicked in, and I like, but a lot less, the latest books. I have no criticism of the shift, it just doesn't suit my tastes. So far, Rivers has stayed in the lane where it maximizes my enjoyment.
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Necrotizer F posted:That sounds promising, but even so, it seems to lack a sense of plot-required forced intimacy. Remember my "I am Strongjaws, Alpha of the Steeldick clan. You are my soulmate. Let me rape my way into your heart. My inner sexual assault wolf demands it." that got a laugh from you? That. Except played straight. 
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torgeaux posted:Dresden started as Wizard who is also a detective. Now it's just superhero novels. I liked the earlier books, I liked the middle books when the shift really kicked in, and I like, but a lot less, the latest books. I have no criticism of the shift, it just doesn't suit my tastes. So far, Rivers has stayed in the lane where it maximizes my enjoyment. I think Jim Butcher has actually described Harry Dresden as "wizard Spider-Man." Great power. Great responsibility. And the universe frequently opens its rear end-cheeks to take dumps on their heads. The magic in both series shares few commonalities (wrecks technology, uses odd/dead languages) but major differences. In the Dresdenverse magic is a Force. In many ways it resembles The Force from Star Wars in terms of affecting the user depending on how it's uses. If you stop an active mass shooter by frying him with a lightning bolt, you've irrevocably twisted your soul in ways making you likely to do it again. If your White Court brother uses his magical strength to rip the dude's spine out of buttfuck him to death with it, no problem because he's not using spell magic or something. Magic and supernatural power is everything in the Dresdenverse. If you don't have (or have access to)In River it through other means like Marcone), you're a bug waiting for a high-speed windshield. Overall the main reason humanity hasn't been reduced to being slaves/cattle/corpses is that most supernatural are busy beating the poo poo out of each other. In the "Riversverse" things are much different. Magic is there, but it's a tool. A powerful, useful dangerous-to-yourself-and-others tool. If Peter Grant kills somebody with a fireball, he'll face a police investigation to ensure he acted properly but that's it. Killing someone with a fireball is little different than killing them with a sniper rifle (or an imaginary broadsword). Any "moral twisting" that occurs is down to you taking the life of a sentient being. The tool you use to do that is irrelevant.
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Necrotizer F posted:That sounds promising, but even so, it seems to lack a sense of plot-required forced intimacy. Remember my "I am Strongjaws, Alpha of the Steeldick clan. You are my soulmate. Let me rape my way into your heart. My inner sexual assault wolf demands it." that got a laugh from you? That. Except played straight. Pull up Amazon, set filter to Kindle Unlimited, and search for "omega". Have fun.
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aers posted:Pull up Amazon, set filter to Kindle Unlimited, and search for "omega". Have fun. Those all would be very promising for my purposes except that I don't a Kindle device.
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Oct 27, 2019 10:05
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Necrotizer F posted:Those all would be very promising for my purposes except that I don't a Kindle device. You can read Amazon eBooks on your PC or tablet if you have the corresponding Kindle app installed.
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Libluini posted:You can read Amazon eBooks on your PC or tablet if you have the corresponding Kindle app installed. In fact, any Android or iOS device will do. Or your favourite browser, on desktop computers. You can probably check out OverDrive, too, if you have a library card. I recommend this route particularly, because Amazon can go gently caress itself.
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Someone asked for a link to Blake Island, our very own Shadowrun novel series being written live on the forums. Here you go. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3835049 Warning: It's both long and good.
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Someone described an awful series called "Wolf Tales" they and their friends read in college because it was so dumb. It might scale high on the porn scale though, because one of the games they played was "flip to a random page and see if there's sex"
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IIRC I started a Riley Jensen novel and stopped when the alpha werewolf drugged her into sexual compliance. I stopped right loving there
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