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When the card broke $50, Vintage players had to try it. Them's the rules. It's also hilarious how this is the second time they've tried to push Brawl and the second time it's been ruined by a broken commander. With Oko doing so much damage to Brawl and Standard and draft being basically somewhere between sealed and block constructed due to the bots, I'm glad I uninstalled Arena and haven't regretted it.
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Oct 26, 2019 23:04
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Tom Clancy is Dead posted:People keep saying this but it doesn't make sense to me. People buy more when they play more. If you lose players to a poo poo format, they might not come back. They aren't banning him because of money, it's because he's overpowered (the transform has no business being a positive integer) but not unbeatable. People are just dragging their feet at the numerous meta options available
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Oct 26, 2019 23:17
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i know it's kind of early but i feel pretty confident in saying oko is the best planeswalker ever printed
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Oct 26, 2019 23:22
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Late to the party but can you make pioneer murdergoats?
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Oct 26, 2019 23:35
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:They aren't banning him because of money, it's because he's overpowered (the transform has no business being a positive integer) but not unbeatable. People are just dragging their feet at the numerous meta options available What are they?
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Oct 26, 2019 23:48
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When is the last time a card was banned in standard modern and legacy?
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Oct 27, 2019 00:06
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AnEdgelord posted:Oko is literally a staple in every format hes legal in How long until he becomes staples in formats he’s not legal in? Can’t wait to see him as a 4-of in 1994, Theros Block Constructed, and Yu-gi-oh’s Unlimited format!
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Oct 27, 2019 00:10
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:What are they? Elderspell, Assassin's Trophy, Murderous Rider, Conclave Tribunal, Spark Harvest, Deputy of Detention, Noxious Grasp. Angrath's Rampage
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Oct 27, 2019 00:10
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neaden posted:When is the last time a card was banned in standard modern and legacy? For Standard and Modern, Stoneforge Mystic and Jace The Mind Sculptor, for Modern and Legacy Deathrite Shaman and Gitaxian Probe. Skullclamp was the last card to be banned in Standard, Extended and Legacy but this was before Modern existed.
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Oct 27, 2019 00:16
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:Elderspell, Assassin's Trophy, Murderous Rider, Conclave Tribunal, Spark Harvest, Deputy of Detention, Noxious Grasp. Angrath's Rampage Yeah, there's plenty of answers for Oko, people just don't want to play them. The problem with Field was that there were no answers, and that's not the case with Oko. There's something in that list for every colour. (Green and red only having answers in one colour pair each.)
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Oct 27, 2019 00:23
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Arivia posted:Yeah, there's plenty of answers for Oko, people just don't want to play them. The problem with Field was that there were no answers, and that's not the case with Oko. There's something in that list for every colour. (Green and red only having answers in one colour pair each.) 100
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Oct 27, 2019 00:52
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No, the problem with Oko is that+1 posted:1UG is pretty close to playable on it's own in Standard, and that's what they're able to be left with after you 1-for-1 it an awful lot of the time. And that's before talking about Veil of Summer. Still, there is going to be a huge number of Noxious Grasps in the day 2 decks of the MCQW. And Murderous Riders and Vraskas, maybe more Vraskas than Riders because you can play them with Oko much easier. The rest of the cards that you named have structural issues that might prevent them from seeing a ton of play. Tom Clancy is Dead fucked around with this message at 01:13 on Oct 27, 2019 |
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Oct 27, 2019 01:10
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Arivia posted:Yeah, there's plenty of answers for Oko, people just don't want to play them. The problem with Field was that there were no answers, and that's not the case with Oko. There's something in that list for every colour. (Green and red only having answers in one colour pair each.) Field isn't really easily answered but it's something you can get under as an aggressive deck- the oko decks, you can't. The bigger problem imo is the absolute bonkers support for huge piles of UG greed in standard and it won't go away without a lot of bans. Also aggro isn't good enough at the moment to check it- most of the good aggro cards in standard are spread thinly along 3-4 colors and the mana isn't there to support it. Mana's amazing if you want to go slow but it sucks when you want to go fast.
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Oct 27, 2019 01:27
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Tom Clancy is Dead posted:No, the problem with Oko is that God, if only. In some games, you get to go T2 Oko on the play and - even if you're packing proper 2 CMC removal like Angrath's - you still have to fight through Wicked Wolves, Voracious Hydras, or a second Oko.
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Oct 27, 2019 01:43
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Panzeh posted:Field isn't really easily answered but it's something you can get under as an aggressive deck- the oko decks, you can't. I don't like aggro but ug is my favourite colour pair so this standard feels great to me
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Oct 27, 2019 01:45
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What is going on with Magic design that we're getting so many bans anyway? How do they keep screwing up this badly since like Eldritch Moon? Frankly there are probably more cards that should have been banned, but more accurately never printed.
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Oct 27, 2019 01:47
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Oko, not just for triggering Oath anymore!
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Oct 27, 2019 01:57
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:Elderspell, Assassin's Trophy, Murderous Rider, Conclave Tribunal, Spark Harvest, Deputy of Detention, Noxious Grasp. Angrath's Rampage I guess you 10-d the MCQ day 1 with your Oko-beating list, right? I look forward to seeing the decklist.
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Oct 27, 2019 01:57
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BizarroAzrael posted:What is going on with Magic design that we're getting so many bans anyway? How do they keep screwing up this badly since like Eldritch Moon? Frankly there are probably more cards that should have been banned, but more accurately never printed. Play Design started with Dominaria, so, going from there? Mostly just pushing the power limits of cards in new & interesting ways instead of printing new cards that suck. The problem is just that there's a good goddamn reason Birds isn't legal in Pioneer, and why Elvish Mystic took a years-long vacation from standard: One-mana accelerants are terrible for play design. Everything wrong with Standard is currently pinned on Gilded Goose, even if it's only the enabler for the bad stuff.
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Oct 27, 2019 02:06
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:Elderspell, Assassin's Trophy, Murderous Rider, Conclave Tribunal, Spark Harvest, Deputy of Detention, Noxious Grasp. Angrath's Rampage Arivia posted:Yeah, there's plenty of answers for Oko, people just don't want to play them. The problem with Field was that there were no answers, and that's not the case with Oko. There's something in that list for every colour. (Green and red only having answers in one colour pair each.) everyone knows that if you spend your turn 3 killing an oko, the game just ends on the spot, with you declared the winner. someone even comes up and gives you a trophy
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Oct 27, 2019 02:10
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Did he cut Black Lotus for the second Oko? I realize there is probably some kind of logical explanation on why you wouldn't play Lotus in this meta, but that is a really funny look.
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Oct 27, 2019 02:22
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little munchkin posted:everyone knows that if you spend your turn 3 killing an oko, the game just ends on the spot, with you declared the winner. someone even comes up and gives you a trophy There are folks who just want to play the clear cut best deck and play the mirror all day.
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Oct 27, 2019 02:23
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Jabor posted:I guess you 10-d the MCQ day 1 with your Oko-beating list, right? I look forward to seeing the decklist. Oh I didn't realize we were just doing a whine fest, my bad
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Oct 27, 2019 02:24
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:Oh I didn't realize we were just doing a whine fest, my bad Hmm, I'm starting to think you don't actually know of any decks with a good Oko matchup!
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Oct 27, 2019 02:27
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Jabor posted:Hmm, I'm starting to think you don't actually know of any decks with a good Oko matchup! No, 2 days into the ban I don't have answers. I was tasked to name cards that deal with Oko, not soothe your ego
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Oct 27, 2019 02:30
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araeris posted:Did he cut Black Lotus for the second Oko? https://twitter.com/chubby_rain1/status/1188241426909454336
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Oct 27, 2019 02:31
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You claimed there were numerous "meta options" for beating Oko decks. Did you have so much trouble finding any that you had to backpedal and start naming individual cards instead?
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Oct 27, 2019 02:32
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It turns out the best color combination to fight against planeswalker removal happens to be bant. Crazy.
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Oct 27, 2019 02:38
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BizarroAzrael posted:What is going on with Magic design that we're getting so many bans anyway? How do they keep screwing up this badly since like Eldritch Moon? Frankly there are probably more cards that should have been banned, but more accurately never printed. It's probably deliberate. Ate My Balls Redux posted:Oh I didn't realize we were just doing a whine fest, my bad There is HEAVY incentive to beat Oko and literally only Oko. If it can be done, it will be done, because 16 of the 2500 players in this Arena qualifier get entry to an immense EV tournament. It's what, 68 players in the Arena MCs for a 750,000 prize pool? That's a lotta goddamn money, and there's a hell of a lot of very similar Oko decks, so many that it's worth targeting Oko and worrying about other decks afterwards.
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Oct 27, 2019 02:52
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Do people that made it to day 2 of the Mythic Qualifier have to play the same deck they played today?
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Oct 27, 2019 03:01
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long-rear end nips Diane posted:Do people that made it to day 2 of the Mythic Qualifier have to play the same deck they played today? Players must use the same decklist for Day 2 as they used for Day 1. Decklists will be publicly posted prior to the start of Round 1. Players who change their decklist from Day 1 to Day 2 or who change their decklist in between rounds for Day 2 will be disqualified without prize.
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Oct 27, 2019 03:07
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lmao that they're still running their tournament through direct challenge
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Oct 27, 2019 03:15
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Jabor posted:You claimed there were numerous "meta options" for beating Oko decks. Did you have so much trouble finding any that you had to backpedal and start naming individual cards instead? Lol those ARE meta options, dipshit
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Oct 27, 2019 03:18
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 : "oko is really overpowered, there's actually nothing in the format that can beat oko decks : "actually there are numerous meta options, it's just that nobody wants to play them" : "okay, what are these numerous meta options that beat the oko decks?" : "it's called a counterspell, go look it up, dipshit"You're a pedantic idiot.
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Oct 27, 2019 03:25
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Jabor posted:
Lol "what an idiot, he named meta options when someone asked for meta options!!"
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Oct 27, 2019 03:38
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Meta options means a deck not individual cards.
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Oct 27, 2019 03:44
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the decks that are actually quite good against oko (r/b knights, gruul, g/b adventure) all get their poo poo kicked in by the other green planeswalker with too much loyalty that shits out 3/3s every turn. as much as he's the obnoxious, smug face of standard, oko isn't doing it alone (also wicked wolf eats those decks for breakfast a lot of the time)
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Oct 27, 2019 03:51
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Gruul with Embercleave and Jund or Golgari Adventure have decent matchups against Oko but even if they weren't the "well if Oko is so beatable produce a Standard-legal decklist that could Day 2 a MCQ out of your rear end right now to prove it" is a child's argument. No one is saying the card isn't busted, especially in the context of what UG has available, but it's not unbeatable and it's going to take more than 3 days for the format to coalesce around whatever deck ends up being the answer to it.
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ungulateman posted:the decks that are actually quite good against oko (r/b knights, gruul, g/b adventure) all get their poo poo kicked in by the other green planeswalker with too much loyalty that shits out 3/3s every turn. as much as he's the obnoxious, smug face of standard, oko isn't doing it alone This is kinda the thing though. The decks that can beat oko are basically a tossup right now against the other decks that can beat oko decks that don't play Nissa. So you should just probably get good at winning oko mirrors and play Nissa.
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