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THE BAR posted:Tesfaye is just another in that long, loooong line of ladder pullers. How many times did he change parties across the political spectrum? DKP M/L > EL > SF > S Zulily Zoetrope posted:For what it’s worth, that survey was apparently carried out by YouGov, who have a history of massaging the numbers to make racism appear more mainstream than it is. If they say 28%, it’s probably “only” about 20% of the country who wants to ethnically cleanse the browns. Jørgen Goul Andersen, who I think commissioned the survey, said the question was included to measure the extreme fringe, but now he's arguing that Stram Kurs having relatively poor support (3.1 average out of 10 on a "sympathy scale") among those who fully agree must mean the simple, straightforward question was misunderstood. There couldn't possibly be other reasons not to support brain-damage man over one of the numerous established parties that effectively want the same thing. A whole lot of people, even in pro-refugee groups, are trying to soften the blow. "The country that robs refugees at gunpoint isn't turning fascist, look at all the people who don't agree with ethnic cleansing, the cattle car is half empty."
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That’s a weak argument but he (or someone else) also cross-referenced that question with respondents who said that they wanted Denmark to have stricter immigration laws, and half of the pro-ethnic cleansing crowd were neutral or opposed to that. Either they are cool with the current degree of ethnic cleansing going on, or they misunderstood one of the questions. It’s an extremely alarming result and it shouldn’t be minimized, but I think it’s also worth recognizing that it was produced by an organization with the explicit agenda of telling Frederiksen and co. that Denmark wants ethnic cleansing. Ubrelatedly, I’m not comfortable with referring to Paludan as “brain-damage man” because it implies that he was a less terrible person before his accident. All it did was make the courts give him leeway when his stalking victims filed harassment charges against him.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:That’s a weak argument but he (or someone else) also cross-referenced that question with respondents who said that they wanted Denmark to have stricter immigration laws, and half of the pro-ethnic cleansing crowd were neutral or opposed to that. Either they are cool with the current degree of ethnic cleansing going on, or they misunderstood one of the questions. Or they simply believe it's possible under the current regime, which just handed the Minister of Integration the power to revoke citizenship without due process, and deports Afghan children to summary execution. I don't know that YouGov has an explicit agenda of ethnic cleansing, even if they in the past have shown a tendency to weight support for DF somewhat higher than other polling agencies. Zulily Zoetrope posted:Ubrelatedly, I’m not comfortable with referring to Paludan as “brain-damage man” because it implies that he was a less terrible person before his accident. All it did was make the courts give him leeway when his stalking victims filed harassment charges against him. He absolutely and unquestionably was, though, besides being a lawyer and member of Radikale obviously. And the court didn't give him leeway, he got the maximum restraining order (5 years). He unsuccessfully used the condition as a defense when the Bar and Law Society wanted to sanction him. That's how journalists dug up the info.
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Oct 26, 2019 13:03
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I’m trying to suggest that weighing support of DF and similar parties when you’re a polling organization is virtually the same as having an agenda to promote ethnic cleansing. I’m being a bit hyperbolic, but I don’t think we actually disagree here. As for Paludan, I will readily admit that most of my knowledge of him is from third hand sources, but I’ve heard from numerous people that he continued to harass the residents of Borchs Kollegium after getting a restraining order and got away with it either through a loophole or successfully arguing that he couldn’t be held accountable for his action. If there is an official source that contradicts this I will have to defer to it, but I heard the story before he founded Stram Kurs and I don’t see why anyone would make it up. (E: My other evidence of him always being maximum garbage is from a friend who is friends with the other Paludan siblings, but I will readily concede that my understanding of her understanding of their understanding of him is not exactly a base for an argument.) E2: I found and reread the official account of the stalking story. It’s more or less what I heard, but the ending of the story is that he kept violating the restraining order, until he reached a settlement with the victim where he’d leave the guy and his family and friends alone, in exchange for the victim withdrawing all charges and promising to never speak of Paludan in public. That is straight up blackmail and in no way Paludan getting punished to the maximum extent of the law. Zulily Zoetrope fucked around with this message at 14:20 on Oct 26, 2019 |
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:I’m trying to suggest that weighing support of DF and similar parties when you’re a polling organization is virtually the same as having an agenda to promote ethnic cleansing. I’m being a bit hyperbolic, but I don’t think we actually disagree here. Weighing is probably the wrong word. Their polls have a tendency to show marginally greater support for DF compared to others, I'm aware of the issue and have criticised them before. However, there's no evidence to suggest these numbers were deliberately manipulated, nor is there any way to reasonably adjust them that somehow doesn't make them a giant red flag. People are grasping at straws to disprove these numbers out of hand, I've even encountered some who argue they're bunk by reason of not including the literal words "ethnic cleansing" in the question. The same study shows the number at 38.7% if said Muslim is unemployed, by the by. Zulily Zoetrope posted:E2: I found and reread the official account of the stalking story. It’s more or less what I heard, but the ending of the story is that he kept violating the restraining order, until he reached a settlement with the victim where he’d leave the guy and his family and friends alone, in exchange for the victim withdrawing all charges and promising to never speak of Paludan in public. That is straight up blackmail and in no way Paludan getting punished to the maximum extent of the law. IIRC, that was a civil case and the family acquiesced simply to get some peace and quiet, but I don't really disagree with your characterisation. The criminal court sanctioned him to the maximum extent of the law. He was also convicted for insulting the investigating officer via e-mail. SplitSoul fucked around with this message at 14:39 on Oct 26, 2019 |
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If immigrants to Sweden get a house and four wives, can someone tell be what office I'm supposed to submit paperwork to so I can get that? e: just the house would be really nice. Ofaloaf fucked around with this message at 14:52 on Oct 26, 2019 |
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Oct 26, 2019 14:43
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Ofaloaf posted:If immigrants to Sweden get a house and four wives, can someone tell be what office I'm supposed to submit paperwork to so I can get that? I’ll take the wives and we can just be five wives. Sometimes an immigrant is just five wives, stacked one on top of another.
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Katt posted:I asked this before and didn't get a response but what's the deal with "Uppdrag granskning" and "Kalla fakta" That my super racist coworkers seem to be getting half their right wing talking points from those shows? Uppdrag granskning are often good at pointing out mismanagement and people in power lying, but not so much about social issues. They churn out a lot of filler episodes however. I guess most of this also goes for Kalla Fakta but they are more "look here, this is depressing reality". Just watch some episodes and see for yourself. Examples from the top of my head, i have no idea of the actual episode names. Good ones: "fake bills/bluff fakturor" sent to publlic institutions. The one where they exposed the pension fund mismanagement/corruption of "Allra", laws are now being rewritten and the case is up in court. The one that goes through the horrors of salmon farming. The one about slave labor in sweden. Bad ones: The trans issue ones. teen witch posted:I’ll take the wives and we can just be five wives. Sometimes an immigrant is just five wives, stacked one on top of another. Oh please, we are a progressive country, the four wives polygamy clause is simply valid for lesbian marriges too, but the wording is clear, you can only bring three wives as a woman. Zudgemud fucked around with this message at 04:43 on Oct 27, 2019 |
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Now the government wants to revoke citizenship from the children of foreign fighters without due process.
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Randarkman posted:Denmark? Yes. I can't imagine it doesn't qualify as collective punishment under international law.
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Zudgemud posted:Bad ones: I wish they would stop making these because  .UG has been slipping more than usual lately. The trans ones are one example but another more recent one is also the very politically influential Filipstad one which uh, lacked some nuance. They've always had their problems with consistency which mostly come with their medium being documentary (which is a heavily thesis-oriented form of story-telling, lacking nuance by design). I remember in particular a story a few years ago about a few 1000 kr receipts in Gothenburg being the breaking point for me personally. They wanted to tell a story about how Gothenburg city shouldn't have participated in a property developer conference (which is a fine argument to present), but when they didn't find any dirt they pivoted into the idiotic receipts thing instead rather than shelving the entire story. MiddleOne fucked around with this message at 09:05 on Oct 28, 2019 |
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Oct 28, 2019 08:55
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I have been informed by the leftist contingent of the #svpol left brigade on twitter that Janne Josefsson is a long-con psyop and a fire and brimstome nazi. He's the guy, by himself, in charge of the agenda of the day
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Oct 28, 2019 10:22
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so that means I can be a cheapskate and post about posting instead of having some wit or spending any more on comedy avs for people. Which I'm also incapable of. Comedy.
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I don't watch TV anymore but if UG is doing TERF stuff then I'm not suprised. Because if you add righteous concern trolling with bigotry, transphobia is what you end up with.
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zokie posted:if UG is doing TERF stuff i've seen this in several different contexts and i really don't get it - in what way does UG qualify for the "RF" part of "TERF"? aren't they just being generically transphobic?
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Could easily mean 'trans-exclusionary reactionary fascist' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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really not a fan of calling non-feminists terfs, terfism is one specific transphobic ideology among many
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Calling someone a transphobe has about as much momentum to it as calling a rightwinger an "Islamophobe" instead of "loving racist" when they start to dog whistle about Islam. No one that is actually pushing transphobic policies cares about being called a transphopbe. But Terf. Terf stings because it has history, it has baggage and a wider meaning of means and methods. It makes them hiss and snarl. So it serves.
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"racist" is accurate, though, and "terf" *isn't*. it's the equivalent of right-wingers calling everything under the sun communism
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V. Illych L. posted:"racist" is accurate, though, and "terf" *isn't*. it's the equivalent of right-wingers calling everything under the sun communism Agreed
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Like the word socialism. The word terf has evolved.
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I guess I wasn't thinking, to me TERFism had become synonymous with transphobia. Specifically the "think of the children/lesbians'"-concern trolling. Other bigots tend to be more blatant in my experience
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SuccDems having a normal one.
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She's talking about concentration camps?
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Randarkman posted:She's talking about concentration camps? Already have those. They're conveniently located inside military training grounds and refugees get to enjoy the sound of gunfire and explosions around the clock, so they don't get accustomed to peace and quiet in the likely event they'll be deported back to an active war zone. But I think she's actually referring to expanding the surveillance state and revoking citizenship without due process here. They liked it so much they thought it deserved an official poster.
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Nov 4, 2019 11:26
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Asocialdemokratiet. Her statements could literally be from DF 5-10 years ago.
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SplitSoul posted:Already have those. They're conveniently located inside military training grounds and refugees get to enjoy the sound of gunfire and explosions around the clock, so they don't get accustomed to peace and quiet in the likely event they'll be deported back to an active war zone. Or move on to Sweden.
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Nenonen posted:Or move on to Sweden. I have more bad news.
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More splitting on the right wing in Denmark.
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vuk83 posted:More splitting on the right wing in Denmark. You love to see it. Wonder how they got approved for that name with Siumut existing, though. I remember some liberal party being denied their name because of Venstre back in the day.
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NMR celebrated Kristallnacht across Scandinavia by putting Judenstern stickers on Jewish people's mailboxes and vandalising a Jewish cemetary. The "concerned citizens" of the comments sections are convinced it must've been a Muslim false flag.
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And Racismus Pædonazi did a counter-demonstration... Against the gathering for solidarity with Jewish people on the anniversary of Kristallnacht.
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Denmark really want to be ready to celebrate the anniversaries in spring 2040. 
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Poil posted:Denmark really want to be ready to celebrate the anniversaries in spring 2040. They did that poo poo in Sweden, Norway and Finland as well.
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Privatization bungled up not only Swedish unemployment numbers but also apparently GDP. Like, holy poo poo. https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/QoXAXP/efter-scb-skandalen-tvingas-rakna-om-hela-sveriges-bnp quote:Aftonbladet avslöjar i dag hur underleverantören Evry kunde pressa fram felaktiga arbetslöshetssiffror från en källare i Solna.
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SplitSoul posted:NMR celebrated Kristallnacht across Scandinavia by putting Judenstern stickers on Jewish people's mailboxes and vandalising a Jewish cemetary. The "concerned citizens" of the comments sections are convinced it must've been a Muslim false flag. It must be so frustratring to be a nazi. You put In so much effort and then no one believe you did it.
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Has privatization improved anything in Sweden ever? Like yeah maybe it's easier to find a place to inspect your car now. Sometimes with 3 of the drat things in the same run down industrial area but the price must have gone up like 300%. "Drop in" either comes with an added "drop in fee" or they have drop in and it's just temporarily unavailable 365 days of the year. They privatized the pharmacy. I don't remember what meds cost before but I feel like just buying a few packs of alvedon and ipren will have the hundralappar flying like they didn't used to 
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Alhazred posted:It must be so frustratring to be a nazi. You put In so much effort and then no one believe you did it. Like, they attempted to ban Hizb ut-Tahrir for the FOURTH time last they invited an anti-semite speaker. We have special legislation to prevent their entry into the country. For comparison, a couple of months ago, NMR decided to protest unannounced in Copenhagen and the police rushed in to protect them, kindly instructing them to remove their masks, and to stop shoving their colleagues. Most of the protesters were Swedish.
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Eschenique posted:Has privatization improved anything in Sweden ever? it sure has poo poo has improved the personal career of Filippa Reinfeldt, as well as the balance sheet of several huge education/healthcare/elderly care conglomerates
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Eschenique posted:few packs of alvedon and ipren will have the hundralappar flying like they didn't used to
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