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jBrereton posted:Because that's where a lot of our pre existing infastructure that supports our housing is, people like to see what's going on around them, and in a world that is going to be increasingly prone to unpredictable flooding, putting everything underground would be a recipe for mass deaths which, while environmentally an extremely good thing, would be considered a human catastrophe. Admittedly a lot depends on local geology and new tech, but environmentally it could be a boon as underground you have pretty much a near constant temperature and you could turn topside into a mostly green space.
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Exioce posted:Gen X, thankyouverymuch. Here we see Exioce relaxing in his bed, with simulated natural vistas projected on the underground room walls. 
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Oct 27, 2019 12:22
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Fallout Vaults are not meant to be pro-subterranean living, even without practicality of airflow, flood, seismic movement, fires, or psychology of people in close spaces over time
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Oct 27, 2019 12:23
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https://twitter.com/PedderSophie/status/1187787622682431489 Key point: https://twitter.com/PedderSophie/status/1187787988455100421
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I have skin so pale goths envy me. A few minutes in the sun and I burn to a crisp. That said, I'd rather not have the severe vitamin D deficiency that comes with staying out of natural daylight for extended periods thank you.
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Oct 27, 2019 12:23
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There's plenty of space to build houses and it'd be orders of magnitude cheaper to just build more houses above ground and build more and better transport and services infrastructure
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Oct 27, 2019 12:24
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https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3897514&userid=41639 People have very short memories.
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forkboy84 posted:https://twitter.com/agirlcalledlina/status/1188387687486631938?s=20 I rather doubt the part of the country he was travelling to was cheering on England against the All Blacks.
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Exioce posted:Admittedly a lot depends on local geology and new tech, but environmentally it could be a boon as underground you have pretty much a near constant temperature and you could turn topside into a mostly green space.
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jBrereton posted:There is an ecosystem of underground life that would definitely be even more destroyed than it's already getting if you did this, and if you want people to keep eating like they do, 'topside' is still largely going to be (environmentally devastating) agriculture, like it is today. Please do not say this is replicable with aeroponics or some other sci fi shite. Underground at depth is bugs, hardly devastating environmentally. And we're approaching the point where artificial meat is become viable cost-wise. It's not as sci-fi an idea as it once was.
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Oscar Romeo Romeo posted:I have skin so pale goths envy me. A few minutes in the sun and I burn to a crisp. That said, I'd rather not have the severe vitamin D deficiency that comes with staying out of natural daylight for extended periods thank you. You live in the UK, this is already the case.
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jBrereton posted:There is an ecosystem of underground life that would definitely be even more destroyed than it's already getting if you did this, and if you want people to keep eating like they do, 'topside' is still largely going to be (environmentally devastating) agriculture, like it is today. Please do not say this is replicable with aeroponics or some other sci fi shite. e: Oscar Romeo Romeo posted:I have skin so pale goths envy me. A few minutes in the sun and I burn to a crisp. That said, I'd rather not have the severe vitamin D deficiency that comes with staying out of natural daylight for extended periods thank you. big scary monsters fucked around with this message at 12:42 on Oct 27, 2019 |
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Pesmerga posted:It really demonstrates that Corbyn and the leadership only follow the ‘we listen to the membership and they determine our policies when it suits us’ approach that they criticised in previous leaderships. There needs to at least be some dialogue and discussion with the membership about what's politically feasible (gnnnnh) given the policies the membership want to set, or they'll keep on doing this - big energizing vote on something that'll never be attempted, then nothing happens (or the opposite thing happens).
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Exioce posted:Underground at depth is bugs, hardly devastating environmentally.
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Bugs are very important for the environment. Except wasps. Wasps are bastards.
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I know there's a political cartoon thread floating around somewhere, but I had to comment on just how much is going on here: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2019/oct/25/martin-rowson-on-boris-johnsons-push-for-an-election-cartoon The broken queen, the broken ditch digging shovel, the deflated blow up Kuenssberg doll, a red eyed Cummings looking at what appears to be a pig related version of Grindr, The sly look on Corbyn's face...
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Exioce posted:Natural light is great, but we're at the point now where we can generate that indoors artificially. ...no? not unless you're using an extremely loose definition of the word "natural"
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Julio Cruz posted:...no? not unless you're using an extremely loose definition of the word "natural" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ4TJ4-kkDw Looks pretty legit to me. Coupled with some heat generation, I wouldn't know the difference.
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CGI Stardust posted:It's back to the liberal democratic approach of democracy as legitimation, not as policy-setting. Disappointing but not unexpected. There's no accountability to the membership except by elections, and who would be able to stand opposite the current leadership? For sure, it's not going to be anyone more left wing or more responsive to democracy, given that democracy is what Corbyn's supposed to be all about! it's the manufacture of consent all the way down. If Conference is a blank slate then it just opens the door to meta-parties to manufacture their own outcomes internal party democracy in a liberal society is like that - parties are opt-in voluntary associations, not federations of worker's councils encompassing whole industries without exception. Exit, not voice, is the primary constraint on membership loyalty. Parties are successful if the way they reward persistently lobbying for a particular outcome within their party is also in some way contributing to its wider success in the electorate, not just the selectorate. And success is measured in the same way in both: a willingness to stand up and be counted ronya fucked around with this message at 13:09 on Oct 27, 2019 |
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Julio Cruz posted:...no? not unless you're using an extremely loose definition of the word "natural" 
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ronya posted:it's the manufacture of consent all the way down. If Conference is a blank slate then it just open the door to meta-parties to manufacture their own outcomes Which in itself is not necessarily a bad thing, as some maintenance of party discipline and messaging is important, but if you’re going to pull the whole ‘I am just the spokesman for policies created by our members, and this time will be different’, you look worse when doing what the old guard were doing, particularly when they were quite open about it rather than hiding behind ‘membership decision making’ when it suited them.
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RottenK posted:did she even do anything or is this another episode of accusing anyone who criticises israel or agrees that palestine exists of being turbohitler Said a bunch of homophobic nonsense and ran against Naz Shah in 2017 for Respect.
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Exioce posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ4TJ4-kkDw
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Oscar Romeo Romeo posted:I have skin so pale goths envy me. A few minutes in the sun and I burn to a crisp. That said, I'd rather not have the severe vitamin D deficiency that comes with staying out of natural daylight for extended periods thank you. Having entire houses underground very much seems like The Bad™ to me, but I'm still puzzled by why UK houses don't tend to have basements.
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Guavanaut posted:Unless you're using a 16th century Papal definition of the word "natural" where light redirected by a mirror or lens is no longer of nature and subject to distortion by the devil, it's pretty easy to get natural light underground. All well and good until the pipes get clogged and you get a dangerous photon buildup
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Your skin still needs the D.
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Pesmerga posted:Which in itself is not necessarily a bad thing, as some maintenance of party discipline and messaging is important, but if you’re going to pull the whole ‘I am just the spokesman for policies created by our members, and this time will be different’, you look worse when doing what the old guard were doing, particularly when they were quite open about it rather than hiding behind ‘membership decision making’ when it suited them. Well - if we can agree that it is not a feasible goal, then promises of that nature can be classed under "politicians gonna politician" - disappointing but not unexpected, as CGI Stardust remarked... really, it takes a committed level of gullibility to sincerely fall for CLPD-flavoured rhetoric in 2019 - one has to go into it knowing that Conference is home to faction machination and committee dark arts, not a Norman Rockwell town hall. And consider that the left is really the last group one can expect to hold process, rather than outcomes, as sacrosanct... people believe sincerely in their preferred outcomes
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Your skin still needs the D. They stopped them entirely post WWI (outside of London I guess) because they're expensive to excavate and tank.
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BBC News - Brexit negotiators removed 'adequate' from worker rights plan https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50199309 article posted:An internal UK government memo on the consequences of Boris Johnson's Brexit deal renegotiation singles out the removal of the word "adequate" from the UK-EU Political Declaration to describe mechanisms for enforcing common social, environmental, and labour standards after Brexit.
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I learned just weeks ago that the UV needed to generate vitamin D can only get through the atmosphere at high enough angles (>45°) so even on a sunny day, if it's October-March or you're only in the sun in mornings or evenings, you're still gonna be vitamin D deficient. And if doesn't go through windows either.
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feedmegin posted:Hang on, surely the CTA still applied? As Irish citizens they still had every right to be there? CTA only provides right for movement and work, not citizenship. Without citizenship it's easy to be discriminated against because you're outside the system.
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Exioce posted:Currently, but advancing automation tech and economies of scale could eventually make it viable. hi Elon
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painted into a coroner posted:CTA only provides right for movement and work, not citizenship. Without citizenship it's easy to be discriminated against because you're outside the system. Not convinced a 40s building site employer was going to be any less discriminatory against someone with an Irish accent regardless of their passport tbqh
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We're gonna build a whole new world for ourselves. Look, they clap eyes on us and we're dead, right? So we gotta make a new life where they'll never find us. You know where? Underground. You should see it down there - hundreds of miles of drains - sweet and clean now after the rain, dark, quiet, safe. We can build houses and everything, start again from scratch. And what's so bad about living underground eh? It's not been so great living up here, if you want my opinion.
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Exioce posted:On the subject of housing chat, I dunno why we haven't moved housing underground at scale. Offices and commerce too. The land beneath our feet is pretty much infinite. You could give every person in the country more room than they could reasonably make use of. It's not like people look away from their phones these days anyway to peer at the outside world, and you could just have a digital window showing you a rainforest or some poo poo, if that's your thing. Just get some tunnel boring machines and automate the process. Tracks between underground houses could be used for electrified trams. Pedestrian and biking lanes besides. Then, the land above ground could slowly be turned into a mostly public space (parks, schools, hospitals etc) and a lot of re-wilding done. Probably tech, geology, and cost are the reason, but where there's a will there's usually a way.  edit: ^^^ 
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Nettle Soup posted:You live in the UK, this is already the case.  probably not. My understanding is that people with Northern European ancestry have somewhat adapted to the living conditions here. One result of that is that (Northern) Europeans have an easier time digesting dairy, leading to so much cheese, milk, yoghurt, being produced and consumed here (and I guess living with animals in general, leading European settlers to kill countless American natives with diseases the Europeans were immune to). Another is pale skin that is sensitive to UV radiation but is sensitive enough to produce a sufficient amount of vitamin D. I recall some long-form medium on the interplay between ethnicity and health listing this as one of the reasons why immigrant communities in Sweden have more vitamin D deficiency issues than 'native' Swedes, including depression. So I guess if you live more in or North of the North Sea you might as well live in a Fallout vault
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kecske posted:BBC News - Brexit negotiators removed 'adequate' from worker rights plan Gonna be a lot of dead factory workers soon and the families won't be able to sue as they were given 'appropriate' non-safety gear. BREXIT!
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kecske posted:BBC News - Brexit negotiators removed 'adequate' from worker rights plan
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I think you'll find that having 5 days of annual leave every year is quite appropriate for turbohellworld
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"Your Steel Mill company is charged with the deaths of 10 workers due to a molten iron explosion. How do you respond?" "We gave them the appropriate woolen gloves and paper masks." "Say no more, I declare this Death by Misadventure, case closed."
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