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What Jamwad said, especially in regards to survival versus killing. More random tips: 1) Mouseover the enemy to see his weaknesses, esp armor. No groin or arm coverage makes those a priority target, even if your chance to hit is less. Against a fully armored enemy, sometimes arm strikes are the best. 2) Train javelin, seriously. 3) You can spend char gen points not just on stats, but better starting gear as well. 4) Don't feint unless your success chance is high or you have stamina to burn. The enemy will give you an opening on his own. 5) I don't bother with shield strikes or soft spots until much later in the game, even then I haven't found soft spots worth a drat honestly.
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Here's one I was just wondering about. So campaign over, mission accomplished, time to return for a well-earned triumph. What was a returning home Roman Republic general supposed to do when his army reached the Rubicon, or it's other direction equivalent?
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Somehow made it all the way through to the end last night (naming your character Lucius Vorenus may or may not help). The character creation screen makes it seem like focusing on mind and body are two separate playstyles, but that's not really the case. I beat it focusing on the mental skills at creation, but it makes for a comparatively boring and conservative game since you'll lack the physical stats to clown on people during fights. You won't rack up too many kills, you won't win any awards, and your promotions will be few and far between. I ended as a centurio posterior (which I am translating to "butt sergeant") and retired to a life of farming, never coming anywhere close to being elected a senator or being appointed consul. You need to kill lots of people to get ahead.
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Deptfordx posted:Here's one I was just wondering about. Cross it and go into Italy, and then camp outside the old borders of the city of Rome until he disbanded his troops. There was a law that Roman troops weren't allowed in the city, so they tended to camp outside the city until they either were disbanded or the General was awarded a triumph. The "Don't cross the Rubicon" thing wasn't a general rule. It was an order given to Caesar by the Senate, because they were (rightfully) afraid that he'd lead troops into Rome to overthrow the government and seize power.
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Armies were legally allowed onto Italy under a number of circumstances. The senate forbade Caesar specifically from bringing his army across the border between cisalpine gaul and italy Armies were prohibited from the sacred borders of Rome (a smaller area than the Roman metropolitan area containing most of the important public buildings and oldest neighborhoods), except during a triumph. In fact, legally, a general who entered Rome ceased being a general automatically, because only dictators could hold imperium within the city limits.
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Bought the game too, it's great fun though most of my legionaries never made it very far. the brave, selfless, virtuous centurion Primus Gaius was awarded a civic crown before he got his brains smashed in by the Bulwark thracian guy. His less prominent brother Secundus Gaius managed to survive the war by not doing heroics and retired to farming.
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The progression of getting bonuses based off how well the first guys go is pretty cool. Valerian I made it to Zama before dying to Hannibal's elite troops no cool Civic/Mural Crowns for him, died as a Centurion Valerian II died in New Carthage trying to fight the citadel troops (Unless you have good skills don't try to fight them do the fight, but be super defensive) Valerian III made it through the war, as a Centurion but wasn't exceptionally distinguished. Retired as a farmer Valerian IV won cool awards (Mural and Civic Crown), died to the Bulwark in which was a really close fight. Funniest thing was him killing a Carthaginian Officer with a pila to the skull at the start of a duel. Valerian V died to trying to save the Velite in Africa Valerian VI made it through the wars, won multiple Civic & Mural Crowns, earned like $10,000 was named Primus Centurion for the war with Seleucia, retired became a senator and was elected Quaestor, but didn't go further. Jack2142 fucked around with this message at 07:05 on Oct 27, 2019 |
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I'm really impressed y'all got so far. My all-time VIP is Gaius Succus II, who made a bit inland in Africa before being super killed in the dick by Libyan spearman 
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Was there a minimum age to join the Legion? I mean, after the Marian reforms.
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Oct 27, 2019 21:23
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SimonCat posted:Was there a minimum age to join the Legion? I mean, after the Marian reforms. The traditional minimum age had been 16, with most recruits being a bit older than that, in their late teens or early twenties. In practice it was probably more if you’re good enough, you’re old enough. It’s not like these guys had birth certificates you could check. We have funerary inscriptions for a few guys who apparently managed to sign up early.
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Probably not, right? There are some really young sign-ups, particularly in the later period. Antonius Hermos of the I Italicas tombstone says he died at 30 and had served 19 - that would make him 11 at enlistment (not that such statements can be taken at face value). E: f, b
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Tias posted:I'm really impressed y'all got so far. My all-time VIP is Gaius Succus II, who made a bit inland in Africa before being super killed in the dick by Libyan spearman This phrasing made me lol. I wonder what proportion of the game's users come from this thread...?
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I had a guy (Noddelius?) survive the Hispania campaign after getting a few promotions and then he retired because he had high int. gently caress those foraging missions! My morale was always tanked because I'd go out to get some ham and get stabbed in the dick
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I was WONDERING which thread had extended discussion of Legionary's Life. Couldn't find a word of it in the roguelike thread, and got perplexed.
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Since this is now also the Legionary roguelike thread, can any of you shed light on how you got further than Libya? I have read the community guides, and am doing better since I learned that you can train more if you switch training types, and what the combat attitude bar does - but I still get 0wned brutally trying around the time I go with Scipio on the African campaign.
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wouldn't know, I dunked on a trillion militia dudes and then confronted their commander because I was full of hubris, and he stabbed me in the head until I was out of hubris and also out of head
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Well, at least you keep it fresh, my guys always die by upper body or dick injury.
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I made it to Macedonia and fighting a phalanx is hosed up. I made it through though and then got rolled by a couple of peltasts in the woods while trying to help an injured legionary
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I really think that a big part of the game is dying or retiring over and over again to increase your starting resources. After I had my guy retire, all of my dudes start with like 250 points or something, and now I can just roll militiamen quite easily even with middling stats.
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CommonShore posted:I really think that a big part of the game is dying or retiring over and over again to increase your starting resources. After I had my guy retire, all of my dudes start with like 250 points or something, and now I can just roll militiamen quite easily even with middling stats. I took the time to read the little tutorials and that's pretty much what it says. Your "points" are calculated based on your Hall of Fame scores & another thing (I forgot what, the tutorial mentions it) and the game is designed with the idea that you'll die and restart often.
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Okay my last guy was a complete badass, he dunked on the Bulwark and managed to kill the Agema Chillarch of Phillip's Army (this fight was harder as you can't really out fatigue him) and was a master swordsman badass who broke the Phalanx in each encounter and won over twenty duels and three civic crowns. (Never a mural crown because lol no one would help him take cities). Funniest duel was a Carthaginian Officer who I cut his throat in the first round. The trick is to grind things out and don't take risks unless you know your guy is good for it. Sometimes the smartest move is to just play super defensive and grind it out. Generally a rule of thumb is you want to get to ~50 - 60~ weapons skill that will let you go toe to toe at least with regular troops, maybe not be a badass, but contribute in fights and usually kill a guy or two in a battle. Once you get up to ~70's that means you can reliably kill good troops/win duels. 90+ is pretty much needed to stand a chance against the elite commanders in Greece. Once you get a couple guys who survive undistinguished it gives a lot of points bonuses to future troops. The sword & shield bonuses are massive as they make training up those skills via sparring very reliable. Also do you guys know you can set stances to be more aggressive or defensive? I had a hard time until I realized this, go very aggressive vs troops you outmatch and very defensive against guys who outclass you. Drop to defensive if you lose a bunch of stance on risky hits etc. and jump into attack mode if you get an opening and the enemy is just trying to recover spam. Also Feints are great, save them for after the enemy attacks and misses first though if you can wipe out their stance bar you get multiple free hits usually. Proof: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1901042278 Also for Historicity Discussion: Also for the main character if you figure he was probably a late teen/early twenties at the battle of new Carthage he lives into his 80's if he dies after the sack of Carthage. It's kind of amazing that in one man's lifetime Rome went from a regional Italian power to breaking three of the next biggest Empires of the Mediterranean in Carthage, Macedon and Seleucia. Its one thing to read about the rise of Rome, but its kind of fascinating to see it play out this way. Jack2142 fucked around with this message at 17:27 on Oct 28, 2019 |
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Jack2142 posted:Okay my last guy was a complete badass, he dunked on the Bulwark and managed to kill the Agema Chillarch of Phillip's Army (this fight was harder as you can't really out fatigue him) and was a master swordsman badass who broke the Phalanx in each encounter and won over twenty duels and three civic crowns. (Never a mural crown because lol no one would help him take cities). Funniest duel was a Carthaginian Officer who I cut his throat in the first round. Grats on bagging Agema Chillarch. My centurion prior had a mural crown, a civica, enough decorations to sink a trireme, AND the Seric iron sword. Died with a score of 4426 to that bastard.
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O Agema Chillarch, I'm feeling stressed out here, please help!
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physeter posted:Grats on bagging Agema Chillarch. My centurion prior had a mural crown, a civica, enough decorations to sink a trireme, AND the Seric iron sword. Died with a score of 4426 to that bastard. Honestly it was just bashing him in the chest with Torso hits because the linen cuirass still leaked from 8-9 damage a hit so we were just trading blows and I guess I had more health. Also one time he hosed up a charge. It pretty much went down to NEXT GOAL WINS at the end. Oh Also guys Morale is important High Morale gives you better success chances, so if you burn yourself out on training to be a badass you might be better off having lower skills and higher morale. Jack2142 fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Oct 28, 2019 |
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Jack2142 posted:Also for the main character if you figure he was probably a late teen/early twenties at the battle of new Carthage he lives into his 80's if he dies after the sack of Carthage. It's kind of amazing that in one man's lifetime Rome went from a regional Italian power to breaking three of the next biggest Empires of the Mediterranean in Carthage, Macedon and Seleucia. Yep. I find most people think of empires as a gradual thing, but in a lot of cases a state hits some sort of threshold and rapidly grows into a powerful empire within a generation or two. Rome's empire does gradually expand over a few centuries, but the explosion from just being the big guy on the block in Italy to the hegemon of the entire Mediterranean world is quick.
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Grevling posted:O Agema Chillarch, I'm feeling stressed out here, please help! Wanted to post this, but in my heart I knew somebody had already beat me to it 
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Be careful with defensive stance as hanging out there saps your morale. Once I figured that out I started having more success. If my opponent is at full balance I respite/feint in regular stance. If my opponent is not at full stance I go aggressive and hit the torso or, if I'm trying to out-fatigue someone, the arm.
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I want to watch an ancient history movie, either a documentary or a period piece that at least made a token effort to avoid anachronism. What are some of your favorites?
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Bongo Bill posted:I want to watch an ancient history movie, either a documentary or a period piece that at least made a token effort to avoid anachronism. What are some of your favorites? HBO's Rome is still good if you can get over the extremely gratuitous HBO nudity.
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Braveheart Hahah just kidding.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:HBO's Rome is still good if you can get over the extremely gratuitous HBO nudity. Actual Ancient Rome had plenty of gratuitous nudity.
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:Actual Ancient Rome had plenty of gratuitous nudity. I'm still gonna question HBO's tiddy-to-dick ratio.
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:Actual Ancient Rome had plenty of gratuitous nudity. I don't think we've recovered enough plot recaps of actual ancient rome to determine whether the historical nudity was justified by the plot or not
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:Actual Ancient Rome had plenty of gratuitous nudity. You need to compare apples to apples man... Woman tiddy needs to be compared to man tiddy. We see plenty of male nipples, so it's all fine. It's the dick to vagina ratio that needs to be compared and well, other than porn, we don't see much of either on regular tv. *edit: As for butts ratio, I feel like Bratt Pitt's but in Troy should heavily skew the ratio. His butt is worth like, 10.
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Good dental.
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Dalael posted:
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:HBO's Rome is still good if you can get over the extremely gratuitous HBO nudity. They also play fast and loose with a lot of the facts and timelines, but I still think they captured the zeitgeist beautifully. Jeb Bush 2012 posted:I don't think we've recovered enough plot recaps of actual ancient rome to determine whether the historical nudity was justified by the plot or not All of those screenshots of Pompey!
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I'm only half joking when I say 'Life of Brian'.
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Since we're on the subject of questionable history in "historical" videogames, a friend linked me to this kickstarter: BOC: The Birth of Civilizations Favorite parts: - a timeline that starts in 55,000 BC. - "Early Indoeuropeans" being the earliest civilization on the timeline - "Peoples of Americans"
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Family Values posted:Since we're on the subject of questionable history in "historical" videogames, a friend linked me to this kickstarter: With that kind of nonsense they should go full tilt with this. Someone suggest to them to add Hyperborea, Atlantis (of course in Bolivia) and some other fantasy cultures. And magic. Magic is always fun in those kind of fantasy strategy games.
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