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Rinkles posted:After hesitating earlier, why did Angela decide to arrest the old guy after she learned he was her grandfather and that he was (likely) right about her boss being scum? Shock? Angela is conflicted between her previously black and white worldview and the questions her grandfather is posing. In reaction to this she arrests him in an attempt to reinforce her world view. And then the ending of the episode happens leaving her questioning things further I imagine.
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Rinkles posted:After hesitating earlier, why did Angela decide to arrest the old guy after she learned he was her grandfather and that he was (likely) right about her boss being scum? Shock? From what we've seen so far Angela is a character that acts and doesn't sit back and wonder what to do. Regina King does a good job in that scene conveying she doesn't know what to do with this new information and is having a ton of conflicting thoughts especially as she puts him in the car. She still feels likes she needs to do something though and so she arrests him for now. Who knows if they would have made it to the police department without talking and her changing her mind.
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Oct 28, 2019 19:36
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KoRMaK posted:IMDB says jermy irons is viedt. and while I'm on board with that as a speculation, has it actually been confirmed in or stated in the show? Did one of the clones call him adrian and i missed it? https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7049682/ IMDB is often user generated content and it still blows my mind that people cite it as a source of anything.
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Oct 28, 2019 19:43
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Mantis42 posted:Ehh I'm enjoying the show but the comic is so incredibly intricate in it's form and writing, nearly every page having some kind of hidden visual pun, reoccurring motif, or subtle foreshadowing, that I don't see the show coming close to equaling it. Obviously it's too early to really tell. In regards to visual form/structure, editing, sound design, etc, the show is remarkably dense in this same regard so far. It might not reach the same heights as the comic, especially being in a vastly different format, but its most definitely trying to pack in as much visual/sound subtlety into every scene as the comic has. The editing alone is absolutely putting every artistic theory on editing to work. Even just two episodes in theyre have a ton of fun with juxtaposition and shot/scene transition to hint at deeper meaning. Ive watched the pilot 3 times already and on each viewing Ive caught a bunch of new stuff. Even this last time I watched it, its not quite a "pun", but you can hear the electric engines of the cars "powering down" when turned off. This is most noticeable when Judd gets his tires spiked and gets outta the truck. Its such a subtle touch of world building, but so stark in contrast of what we know cars to sound like in our world.
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Oct 28, 2019 19:44
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There was a loving split diopter shot in this episode and I’m here for that de Palma poo poo
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Colonel Whitey posted:There was a loving split diopter shot in this episode and I’m here for that de Palma poo poo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcZ2OY5-TeM AccountSupervisor posted:In regards to visual form/structure, editing, sound design, etc, the show is remarkably dense in this same regard so far. It might not reach the same heights as the comic, especially being in a vastly different format, but its most definitely trying to pack in as much visual/sound subtlety into every scene as the comic has. The editing alone is absolutely putting every artistic theory on editing to work. Even just two episodes in theyre have a ton of fun with juxtaposition and shot/scene transition to hint at deeper meaning.
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Oct 28, 2019 19:53
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The REAL Goobusters posted:Yeah Looking Glass, at least the actor who plays him is kinda giving a weird performance that I’m not sure if it works (so far). The delivery of his line “crying under this mask” or whatever was groan worthy. I’m hoping the show picks up steam. So far it’s just another lindelof mystery box show. I've had the exact opposite reaction. I thought that cheesy line only worked because of Tim Blake Nelson, and would've seen incredibly corny coming from someone else. I love what he's doing with that character, but then again I've always been a Tim Blake Nelson fan. Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:He's taken his mask off several times already, notably with the Chief... Didn't the chief have to tell him to take it off? broken sm57 posted:Although looking glass really leans on Rorschach’s aesthetics, I actually kind of think they’re positioning Sister Night as more of a Rorschach figure. Agreed. The character of Looking Glass is clearly the one most directly inspired by Rorschach, but I think Sister Night is going to play a role in this story similar to the role Rorschach played in the original story. Colonel Whitey posted:There was a loving split diopter shot in this episode and I’m here for that de Palma poo poo Love that poo poo. For the folks who think this pales in comparison to the intricacy of the original comic: I don't think it's possible to make a live-action adaptation or reinterpretation that will please you. I have no idea if they will stick the landing, but two episodes in, this seems about as visually and thematically intricate as television gets.
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Oct 28, 2019 19:58
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Blotto_Otter posted:Didn't the chief have to tell him to take it off? He did and even so he only rolled it up to his forehead keeping the mask still on his head.
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Oct 28, 2019 20:01
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Blotto_Otter posted:I've had the exact opposite reaction. I thought that cheesy line only worked because of Tim Blake Nelson, and would've seen incredibly corny coming from someone else. I love what he's doing with that character, but then again I've always been a Tim Blake Nelson fan. Exactly. I'm a huge mark for Tim Blake Nelson too, but I still think he's done a great job with what he's had so far. It helps that his character design is the most striking so far. He also got the best scene in the premiere.
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LesterGroans posted:Exactly. I'm a huge mark for Tim Blake Nelson too, but I still think he's done a great job with what he's had so far. It helps that his character design is the most striking so far. He also got the best scene in the premiere. I haven't had an opportunity to go back and rewatch it, but at the end of the Nixonville sequence in episode 2, was that a fuckin' early-90s Ford Bronco that I saw him walk towards?
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Oct 28, 2019 20:19
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"i'm here to tell you the mystery in piecemeal in vague statements" *reveals main characters family background in the most ham-fisted scene* "poo poo this is episode 2? whoops" *flies away in a car* wow lindelof!!!
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Oct 28, 2019 20:21
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Zmej posted:"i'm here to tell you the mystery in piecemeal in vague statements" Could not disagree more with every word of this post. I'll address just one """"ham-fisted"""" The whole thread involving Angela and LG Jr. was actually quite economical and organic in terms of not only illuminating character but also establishing and delivering exposition in a way that isn't obtrusive. We learn that Angela is a clever cop (the mug), we learn about the history of this world as relates to race relations which seem to be central to the show through the Robert F. "Skip" Gates thing, while also continuing the clever cop building by showing Angela is willing to go around the normal channels to figure stuff out (and that she already suspects she's connected to Will somehow, which is most of the reason she doesn't turn him in, despite what she tells her husband). The call coming in just as the egg timer goes off strongly suggests Will is right about his "friends in high places" and the fact that he knows what the call is about reinforces that. It's completely confirmed when he gets busted loose. So that whole thread gives us critical character information about Will and Angela, establishes a bombshell reveal (that most of us had some inkling of) and gives the viewer a sense about what makes this world different from ours. zoux fucked around with this message at 20:34 on Oct 28, 2019 |
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A thought on Hooded Justice: According to Alan Moores authors notes his costume was originally going to be for a Minuteman called "Brother Night", https://i.redd.it/rlxjpz5i3du31.png This combined with him being Sister Nights grandfather lends credence to the idea that he's Will, but as various people have pointed out, in the comic justice has white around his eyes. But in this episode we had a notable shot of Sister Night painting her eye area black. What if he painted them white?
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Zmej posted:"i'm here to tell you the mystery in piecemeal in vague statements" This is how literally every mystery story ever written works. Sounds like you just don’t like mysteries at all
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Oct 28, 2019 20:36
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Zmej posted:does no one remember Lost lol If this is your argument against the show, it’s a dumb one Unrelated, I love the set and art design and there are some really visually evocative scenes. The whole sequence with the red Batman goggles was fantastic. I do wonder how TBN sees/breathes in that mask zoux fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Oct 28, 2019 |
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Oct 28, 2019 20:43
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Zmej posted:does no one remember Lost lol Lost, was good So was The Leftovers.
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Zmej posted:does no one remember Lost lol Show us on the doll where Lindelof hurt you
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I am so glad that American Hero Story is a Ryan Murphy show, as evidenced by Cheyenne Jackson being cast
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Its so weird to me how people still use Lost against Lindelof as if he didn't just have one of the greatest 3 season runs on a show in HBO history. Lindelof has admitted the failings of Lost and felt he didn't stick the landing with it.
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Oct 28, 2019 20:47
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zoux posted:If this is your argument against the show, it’s a dumb one The mask is a green screen mask on his face with mesh eyeholes and what not. The effects work on it is really well done.
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Le Saboteur posted:Its so weird to me how people still use Lost against Lindelof as if he didn't just have one of the greatest 3 season runs on a show in HBO history. Lindelof has admitted the failings of Lost and felt he didn't stick the landing with it. Listen if an artist isnt 100% perfect in all creative endeavors they pursue they should simply be locked in a cage and never allowed to grow, learn or do anything ever again.
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Kind of glad I never got into Lost, because it seems to have seriously broken some people's brains when it comes to anything else Lindelof has worked on.
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Le Saboteur posted:The mask is a green screen mask on his face with mesh eyeholes and what not. The effects work on it is really well done. Oh wow, I had no idea. Though I guess it’s obvious in retrospect, the visuals achieved in the pod scene would be really hard to do in-camera
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Oct 28, 2019 21:01
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I mean, Lost was bad after showing early promise, but it's not like it was Dexter or Game of Thrones.
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Lost got too deep into the weeds on the sci fi lore stuff but it was still good fun even toward the end. It probably watches better now if you have realistic expectations and aren’t waiting week to week talking about it with your coworkers and whatnot. Still not sure if I liked the ending. The only thing I really didn’t like was killing off Locke and having his body be possessed for the rest of the show. I liked Locke’s character and they did him dirty.
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Oct 28, 2019 21:09
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A lot of Lost's problems came from them not being able to sustain the mystery over 20+ episode seasons (and they've admitted to this point) which is what ABC wanted from them. It took them until a writers strike occurred to get ABC to let them to par down the seasons to reasonable season lengths.
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Oct 28, 2019 21:13
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Nail Rat posted:I mean, Lost was bad after showing early promise, but it's not like it was Dexter or Game of Thrones. I dunno, we got more than one good season out of both of those at least.
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The Peteypedia article on the re-release of "The Book of Rorschach" album indicates that it is dropping "a couple days after the 24th anniversary of the D.I.E". Surely this should be 34th anniversary, right? Such that Veidt can show up at the end of the season after some time has passed and reminisce on his masterstroke on how he "did it 35 years ago"?
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Blotto_Otter posted:For the folks who think this pales in comparison to the intricacy of the original comic: I don't think it's possible to make a live-action adaptation or reinterpretation that will please you. I have no idea if they will stick the landing, but two episodes in, this seems about as visually and thematically intricate as television gets. I'm liking the show so far, I'm just responding to the earlier post about the comic not being as important or having gravitas. It didn't really cover the heavy and emotional topic of race, but it's not 'just' about superheroes. Zmej posted:"i'm here to tell you the mystery in piecemeal in vague statements" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBYp1SbrbkQ&list=PLCMjjEKddprf4leOvXPOwP4IWbafuhfmE&index=7&t=0s
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So far I'm really impressed with how well this is nailing the Watchmen tone and philosophy. Here's hoping they can stick the Lansing.
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So Veidt isn't really trying to recreate the Dr. Manhattan event, he is just an insane man with an unlimited number of clone servants.
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Le Saboteur posted:A lot of Lost's problems came from them not being able to sustain the mystery over 20+ episode seasons (and they've admitted to this point) which is what ABC wanted from them. It took them until a writers strike occurred to get ABC to let them to par down the seasons to reasonable season lengths. I got into Twin Peaks in a big way a few years back, and as well all know, that classic ABC show's remarkable drop in quality in season 2 had nothing to do with network demands and a near-tripling of episodes ordered per season, and was purely the result of Mark Frost and David Lynch's incompetence and mystery box shenanigans, and after that failure they never made anything good again, the end Colonel Whitey posted:Lost got too deep into the weeds on the sci fi lore stuff but it was still good fun even toward the end. It probably watches better now if you have realistic expectations and aren’t waiting week to week talking about it with your coworkers and whatnot. Still not sure if I liked the ending. The only thing I really didn’t like was killing off Locke and having his body be possessed for the rest of the show. I liked Locke’s character and they did him dirty. I binge-watched Lost on Netflix right as the final season was airing, and I was far, far less upset by the ending than the people I knew who had been watching it over the previous six years. As I got to watch it in a compressed timeframe, it was much more apparent to me that there was no grand plan to bring everything together at the end, and they were just throwing poo poo at the wall for most of the show's run. But it was still enjoyable and had some good episodes throughout, even towards the end of the show's run. The biggest drop in that show's quality was after season 1; if you made it through the middle of the show, the final seasons are not really any worse than anything that came before. I don't know that the ending of that show was particularly good, mind you, but I didn't think it was that disappointing or drastic a drop in quality compared to the rest of the show's run, particularly when watched with reasonable expectations for what mid-2000s network television was. And given the dreck that we've gotten since then from JJ Abrams and Carlton Cuse, I'm not sure it's fair to pin the worst of Lost's tendencies solely on Lindelof. e: completely agree with your spoiler text Blotto_Otter fucked around with this message at 21:39 on Oct 28, 2019 |
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ymgve posted:So Veidt isn't really trying to recreate the Dr. Manhattan event, he is just an insane man with an unlimited number of clone servants. Or he IS Dr. Manhattan disguised as Veidt. (actually I think the thing Will said about Dr. M disguising himself as actual people is a red herring but we'll see)
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zoux posted:Or he IS Dr. Manhattan disguised as Veidt. (actually I think the thing Will said about Dr. M disguising himself as actual people is a red herring but we'll see) It's going to turn out that every character in the show is Dr. Manhattan, and rather than create new life he just created a bunch of copies of himself and set them all off in little roles to see the possible outcomes of Veidt's plan.
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I've never seen Lost or The Leftovers so I'm judging Lindelof entirely on Cowboys v Aliens and Prometheus.
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Prometheus was good and there were like seven writers on Cowboys and Aliens, including notable hacks Orci and Kurtzman
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KoRMaK posted:I thought it was pretty good. He's a hard rear end. Yea he sucks at delivering any sort of emotional information, I like it - tough guy showing he felt about his boss who he probably looked upto like a dad. If he was a true hard rear end he wouldn’t have said that line in the most corny way possible. But aight
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