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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I don’t think I like that the Dems are doing this but perhaps they’ve done most of what they’ve wanted to do behind closed doors and it’s time for things to go public anyway so might as well do this? I choose to believe that it is a response to that stunt the other week when people broke into SCIF. "You want us to air all your dirty laundry immediately? Okay"
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Desperately fishing for likes
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That is loving abhorrent.
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How the hell does one get a blood sample even if you have access to the guy?
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theflyingorc posted:Why are you so committed to making sure nobody else tries to pull their loved ones out of the embrace of the alt-right Because the battle lines have already been drawn, repeatedly, and not by us. How many loving times does Lucy have to pull the football away before we stop trying to kick it
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Desperately fishing for likes LIKE: A dog! 
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theflyingorc posted:Why are you so committed to making sure nobody else tries to pull their loved ones out of the embrace of the alt-right
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"please like the dog that exploded that i pretend to care about".
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theflyingorc posted:Why are you so committed to making sure nobody else tries to pull their loved ones out of the embrace of the alt-right Maybe because it sucks to see people fighting hard to change a nazi, but not fighting nearly as hard to fight for the people the nazi's are targeting. personal relationships are difficult, but if you had a trans friend, and regularly defended/stood up for a transhopbe in front of them they would likely stop being your friend.
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Party Plane Jones posted:https://twitter.com/mikedebonis/status/1188901542985904128 Im not sure what the overall strategy is but if it's to satisfy Republican whining, I dont think it will work; the Republicans will just move the goalposts for another excuse why they can (and should) ignore subpoenas.
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Saint Celestine posted:How the hell does one get a blood sample even if you have access to the guy?
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Maybe because it sucks to see people fighting hard to change a nazi, but not fighting nearly as hard to fight for the people the nazi's are targeting. Everyone should just watch the video and stop saying stupid things: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P55t6eryY3g
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Meatball posted:Im not sure what the overall strategy is but if it's to satisfy Republican whining, I dont think it will work; the Republicans will just move the goalposts for another excuse why they can (and should) ignore subpoenas. i mean sure but than they have even less legal room(they didnt really have any to begin with). i am fine with some dumb ceremonial vote.
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theflyingorc posted:Thanks for the example that comes loaded with a shitload of assumptions. What assumptions exactly do you have an issue with there?
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Meatball posted:Im not sure what the overall strategy is but if it's to satisfy Republican whining, I dont think it will work; the Republicans will just move the goalposts for another excuse why they can (and should) ignore subpoenas. While true, I think taking one of the few talking points Republicans are using, at no cost to the Democrats, is a good move. Plus, formally declaring they'll air all the dirty laundry is gonna definitely scare Republicans.
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Meatball posted:Im not sure what the overall strategy is but if it's to satisfy Republican whining, I dont think it will work; the Republicans will just move the goalposts for another excuse why they can (and should) ignore subpoenas. The WH has spent the last week getting smacked around by judges, witness, etc CONSTANTLY. It’s a perfect time to counter-punch.
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Hiro Protagonist posted:While true, I think taking one of the few talking points Republicans are using, at no cost to the Democrats, is a good move. Plus, formally declaring they'll air all the dirty laundry is gonna definitely scare Republicans. The fact the Republicans have been asking for it is reason enough not to do it.
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Meatball posted:Im not sure what the overall strategy is but if it's to satisfy Republican whining, I dont think it will work; the Republicans will just move the goalposts for another excuse why they can (and should) ignore subpoenas. If I give the benefit of the doubt, I can see how this is a counter to that tactic. Not to force them to listen to subpoenas, rather they are formalizing it because it seriously handicaps the ability of the GOP to function until the election. When you draw party lines that hard all it takes is a few dissenters to gently caress everything up, and that may work to our favor. Essentially they know that all this theater is a stalling tactic until they lose the election, hoping that the cases will be dropped once Trump is out of the office. Which very well may happen.
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Hiro Protagonist posted:While true, I think taking one of the few talking points Republicans are using, at no cost to the Democrats, is a good move. Plus, formally declaring they'll air all the dirty laundry is gonna definitely scare Republicans. and again, they already got a court to tell the republicans to go gently caress themselves on all of these arguments so it's being done from a position of strength and it knocks out the only argument republicans have managed to coalesce around, putting them back into complete disarray
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This is loving sick, and she should sue the poo poo out of her ex husband and Sevaadra
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evilweasel posted:gently caress that, us v. nixon is pretty clear on that subject This is probably the long play here. Keep calling bluffs until the WH boxes itself into the same position as Nixon/etc.
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TulliusCicero posted:This is loving sick, and she should sue the poo poo out of her ex husband and Sevaadra I believe that is the very active plan
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My only complaint with the formal impeachment vote is the part about due process because that's playing into the narrative of Trump, Graham, etc. that the Democrats are going about all this illegally.
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Saint Celestine posted:How the hell does one get a blood sample even if you have access to the guy? 
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1.) The process being laid out, from the descriptions in reading, don't seem particularly great for Republicans. It looks like most of the evidence is going to be aired publicly, with all the scandalous details, before the formal articles of impeachment and Senate trial. 2.) I bet you Democratic leadership has gotten some very juicy polling about just how popular this investigation is, so forcing the vote now has turned from "dubious" to "straight D win." I'm sure the legal element is there, but this seems more about publicity and forcing the vulnerable Republicans to vote. Edit: seriously, we're seeing 30%+ support for the impeachment inquiry among Republican voters - that's scary if you're a R rep in a purple district and you know things are going to come out soon. Tibalt fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Oct 28, 2019 |
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:What assumptions exactly do you have an issue with there? That by attempting to pull someone back from radicalization, you are therefore not standing up to any of their bullshit That you can't head somebody off at the pass who isn't fully radicalized - a person listening to Joe Rogan is a real bad thing, but it doesn't mean that they can't be pulled back. My brother was dangerously flirting with tumblr-in-action "the SJWs" stuff. Something got in the way and turned him into a hard leftist, and trying to be that thing is fine (it wasn't me that righted him, not sure what it was).
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theflyingorc posted:Thanks for the example that comes loaded with a shitload of assumptions. I think age matters when discussing this topic. Teenagers and 20 somethings getting pulled into the alt right can likely be pulled away from it. If you're 30-40+ and still in the alt right, you're beyond hope of something externally changing that mindset. There was a really good story a few months back about kid that got really into the alt right, and his parent's didn't know how to handle it other than support him. It was a journey that was completely predictable, and ended with the kid getting out of it. It turned out the kid wasn't alt right but just wanted to belong. The journey that kid went on isn't that different than the journey many of us went on in our teen years and into adulthood. People willing to make that journey should be supported. There's a cut-off somewhere. edit: Link to the article: https://www.washingtonian.com/2019/05/05/what-happened-after-my-13-year-old-son-joined-the-alt-right/ Heck Yes! Loam! fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Oct 28, 2019 |
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Teabag Dome Scandal posted:what the gently caress?
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:The fact the Republicans have been asking for it is reason enough not to do it. Republicans, as we know, only have good ideas, they NEVER shoot themselves in the foot. Never happens.
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I have a relative who can't be saved. They're a full on culture warrior who thinks everyone else is dumb. They're so mired on right wing media that they are just grossly misinformed about everything. But they choose to be, because it tells them they're right. So gently caress 'em.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:How is something like this not Dukakis in the tank times 10? Turns out that Republicans don't have any real beliefs. Trump could do the identical thing Dukakis did and his cult would laud him for how tough and brave and perfect he is.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:I think age matters when discussing this topic. Teenagers and 20 somethings getting pulled into the alt right can likely be pulled away from it.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:I think age matters when discussing this topic. Teenagers and 20 somethings getting pulled into the alt right can likely be pulled away from it. Honestly, if you are 35+ and still are the kind of insecure that the alt-right is almost entirely made up of then you need professional, not social, therapy. There is a path out but it has to be something done with someone who really knows what they are doing I say that as someone who was a total mark for the far right before I went to therapy.
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Doctor Butts posted:I have a relative who can't be saved. They're a full on culture warrior who thinks everyone else is dumb. i had a thumb headed chud in at work today and he went on about about the bagdadi kill and how trumps speach was amazing and great and better than obamas.
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theflyingorc posted:That every person who has flirted with anything other than hard leftism is a Nazi I apologize in advance for the forthcoming vapors you will catch, but "hard left" is an assumption in and of itself. But no, it seems pretty clear we were talking about CHUDs, not you. quote:That by attempting to pull someone back from radicalization, you are therefore not standing up to any of their bullshit Ostracization is a well proven method of standing up for unacceptable behavior. quote:That you can't head somebody off at the pass who isn't fully radicalized - a person listening to Joe Rogan is a real bad thing, but it doesn't mean that they can't be pulled back. I wouldn't even out Rogan in my top 10 list of dangerous media personalities but sure. quote:My brother was dangerously flirting with tumblr-in-action "the SJWs" stuff. Something got in the way and turned him into a hard leftist, and trying to be that thing is fine (it wasn't me that righted him, not sure what it was). It was probably self-reflection and actualization that had absolutely nothing to do with you, a recurring theme we have been discussing!
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:I think age matters when discussing this topic. Teenagers and 20 somethings getting pulled into the alt right can likely be pulled away from it. The complete lack of involved parenting in that article is infuriating. In this day and age letting a kid that age have unfettered Internet access is just stupid. Like back before we knew what was going on was one thing. Now you're just sending them out to get radicalized, you have to know that at this point.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:The journey that kid went on isn't that different than the journey many of us went on in our teen years and into adulthood. People willing to make that journey should be supported. I have a guy at work who is a Joe Rogan fan - I think that guy can be pulled back in the right opportunity. I have another guy I used to hang out with who became a hardcore Jordan Peterson disciple - I don't talk to that guy anymore, and it would be a complete waste of time to do so. I really liked the end of the video I re-linked, because it admitted that it isn't your job and a lot of the time your effort could be better used elsewhere. But when opportunity is actually there? It's OK to be part of what makes other people better.
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