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Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe
https://twitter.com/CraigCaplan/status/1188913328330067970

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ryde
Sep 9, 2011

God I love young girls

theflyingorc posted:

Yeah, but do you think the process goes FASTER or SLOWER when a judge has to make a ruling on specific issues?

They're bidding for time. "It is partisan" is not a legal argument. "It isn't formalized correctly" is. Only one slows things down.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure this is the tactic here now that you've laid it out like that. Yes, the argument is getting smacked down by courts but there's still the process of appeals that everything has to go through, so maybe there's values in cutting off the already-flimsy legal arguments. This is only an issue if we think that there's some strategy behind Republicans' call for a vote. The only angle I can see is them getting the actual party-line vote to decry it as partisan. I don't think that will work well.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

CuddleCryptid posted:

Honestly, if you are 35+ and still are the kind of insecure that the alt-right is almost entirely made up of then you need professional, not social, therapy. There is a path out but it has to be something done with someone who really knows what they are doing

there is a good podcast that talks about the alt right called "i dont speak german" and having listened to it. you get the sense that alot of "big figures" alt right are either grifters and or dumb insecure rear end in a top hat who just bitch to each other and hope someone else solves the problems. that and the community constantly fractures from infighting over money and them doxing each other or making each other targets.

theflyingorc
Jun 28, 2008

ANY GOOD OPINIONS THIS POSTER CLAIMS TO HAVE ARE JUST PROOF THAT BULLYING WORKS
Young Orc

Ate My Balls Redux posted:

I apologize in advance for the forthcoming vapors you will catch, but "hard left" is an assumption in and of itself. But no, it seems pretty clear we were talking about CHUDs, not you.
I didn't say me. The unironic argument was that every person who voted for Trump is irredeemable. It's not true.

edit: To be clear, a shitload of people who voted for Trump are irredeemable.

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser


TulliusCicero posted:

This is loving sick, and she should sue the poo poo out of her ex husband and Sevaadra

Their phones and emails should be subpoena'd and charged with crimes for disseminating revenge porn, then subpoena the same if every person they sent it to and see if they also disseminated it, and hey going down the chain. Charge them all with revenge porn

Heck Yes! Loam!
Nov 15, 2004

a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.

VH4Ever posted:

The complete lack of involved parenting in that article is infuriating. In this day and age letting a kid that age have unfettered Internet access is just stupid. Like back before we knew what was going on was one thing. Now you're just sending them out to get radicalized, you have to know that at this point.

Yeah, that was something i was left feeling as well. Knowing what your kid is doing is kinda parenting 101, and the article never mentions the dad once, which is a little :thunk:


theflyingorc posted:

Yeah, but my point is only that it's really, really weird to act like, from a vantage point of being a stranger on the internet, that you should be telling somebody else to never, EVER try and that it's always a waste of time.

I have a guy at work who is a Joe Rogan fan - I think that guy can be pulled back in the right opportunity. I have another guy I used to hang out with who became a hardcore Jordan Peterson disciple - I don't talk to that guy anymore, and it would be a complete waste of time to do so.

I really liked the end of the video I re-linked, because it admitted that it isn't your job and a lot of the time your effort could be better used elsewhere. But when opportunity is actually there? It's OK to be part of what makes other people better.

I was just trying to explain why people get frustrated when they see "allies" wasting time on people that are not allies themselves. I don't necessarily agree with it, but there's legitimacy there. It's not much different that the MLK take on white centrists.


PerniciousKnid posted:

Sure, supposed leftists are arguing that it's impossible to reform antisocial behavior, might as well throw some ageism into the mix.

swing and a miss. reading comprehension isn't your strong suit it it?

Heck Yes! Loam! fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Oct 28, 2019

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

AlBorlantern Corps posted:

Their phones and emails should be subpoena'd and charged with crimes for disseminating revenge porn, then subpoena the same if every person they sent it to and see if they also disseminated it, and hey going down the chain. Charge them all with revenge porn

there may not be a crime there, revenge porn is often not illegal

but it is, likely, copyright infringement. sue em for statutory damages. the max, $150k per picture, seems somewhat fair.

Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe
The state of California has revenge porn laws I believe

theflyingorc
Jun 28, 2008

ANY GOOD OPINIONS THIS POSTER CLAIMS TO HAVE ARE JUST PROOF THAT BULLYING WORKS
Young Orc

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

I was just trying to explain why people get frustrated when they see "allies" wasting time on people that are not allies themselves. I don't necessarily agree with it, but there's legitimacy there.
I get that, but I don't think it's fair to assume everyone doing anything at all redemptive is definitively doing that. I completely agree that many people are absolutely not worth your time. I'm only taking umbrage with the idea that nobody is worth your time.

Heck Yes! Loam!
Nov 15, 2004

a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.

evilweasel posted:

there may not be a crime there, revenge porn is often not illegal

but it is, likely, copyright infringement. sue em for statutory damages. the max, $150k per picture, seems somewhat fair.

Doesn't she actually have to, erm, copyright the pictures first? or is there some inherent copyright law that she can use?


Party Plane Jones posted:

The state of California has revenge porn laws I believe

They do indeed!

quote:

In California, distributing revenge porn is a misdemeanor offense, punishable by six months in prison and $1,000 in fines. Individuals who are convicted for the distribution of revenge porn a second time can face up to one year in jail for their actions.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



There’s no :ironicat: big enough, considering Mitch and a bunch of other GOP leaders held a meeting on the day Obama was elected to plan the same thing

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser


What about DC

InsertPotPun
Apr 16, 2018

Pissy Bitch stan

Doctor Butts posted:

I have a relative who can't be saved. They're a full on culture warrior who thinks everyone else is dumb.

They're so mired on right wing media that they are just grossly misinformed about everything.

But they choose to be, because it tells them they're right.

So gently caress 'em.
those people aren't 'political" they just like that feeling of superiourity, and guess which party gives them that?

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

Doesn't she actually have to, erm, copyright the pictures first? or is there some inherent copyright law that she can use?

copyright attaches automatically upon creation of a work, there is no requirement to register. by the time you see this post, it is officially a copyrighted work.

you may need to register to collect statutory damages, however, which would be a tiny issue with that plan (i can't recall if you need to or not)

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


Statutory damages for copyright infringement require that the documents be registered with the copyright office. Otherwise you just get some multiple of actual damages.

VH4Ever
Oct 1, 2005

by sebmojo

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

Yeah, that was something i was left feeling as well. Knowing what your kid is doing is kinda parenting 101, and the article never mentions the dad once, which is a little :thunk:

Agreed. The kid was on the internet all day and night to the point where he was a walking, irritable zombie every day for a year or more. That's bad loving parenting.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

evilweasel posted:

copyright attaches automatically upon creation of a work, there is no requirement to register. by the time you see this post, it is officially a copyrighted work.

you may need to register to collect statutory damages, however, which would be a tiny issue with that plan (i can't recall if you need to or not)

Isn't the copyright with the photographer and not the subject?

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

FlamingLiberal posted:

There’s no :ironicat: big enough, considering Mitch and a bunch of other GOP leaders held a meeting on the day Obama was elected to plan the same thing

i mean he is a sociopath so i am not shock. i do expect mitch to try to force the GOP to acquit him and they probably will, but i suspect it will be like 10 or less votes making the decision.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

Doesn't she actually have to, erm, copyright the pictures first? or is there some inherent copyright law that she can use?
Photographer owns the rights by default.

CascadeBeta
Feb 14, 2009

by Cyrano4747

theflyingorc posted:

I didn't say me. The unironic argument was that every person who voted for Trump is irredeemable. It's not true.

edit: To be clear, a shitload of people who voted for Trump are irredeemable.

gently caress you, they voted to take away my rights, and a lot of other people's rights. They knew what they voted for, don't defend them. gently caress them.

yronic heroism
Oct 31, 2008

Rent-A-Cop posted:

Photographer owns the rights by default.

Her statements suggested her ex took the pictures though? Or did I misunderstand?

beejay
Apr 7, 2002

booseek posted:

My main fund is a whole stock market index fund. I realize that neither the S&P nor DJIA mirror the stock market in general, but clearly it's used as a stand in for the broader market in general, so don't be silly. I have no clue how the poster's account is structured or what they do with dividends, so that's why I mentioned it.

Point is, it's more than likely that if DJIA is doing well, the broader market is as well. What's the controversy here?

EDIT: 27,000 to 22,500 is not a crash? Maybe. I think most people would label it a crash of some kind.

When did the Dow go from 27k to 22.5k?

theflyingorc
Jun 28, 2008

ANY GOOD OPINIONS THIS POSTER CLAIMS TO HAVE ARE JUST PROOF THAT BULLYING WORKS
Young Orc

CascadeBeta posted:

gently caress you, they voted to take away my rights, and a lot of other people's rights. They knew what they voted for, don't defend them. gently caress them.

Nope, a lot of people are extremely loving stupid. Their vote is inexcusable, but I don't think that's the same thing as irredeemable.

This Is the Zodiac
Feb 4, 2003

Midgetskydiver posted:

Trump could do the identical thing Dukakis did and his cult would laud him for how tough and brave and perfect he is.
He pretty much did:

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

OddObserver posted:

Isn't the copyright with the photographer and not the subject?

ahh yeah welp

will have to mull on this some more

Push El Burrito
May 9, 2006

Soiled Meat

beejay posted:

When did the Dow go from 27k to 22.5k?

Around September-January of last year.



Not quite 27k but it was around a 5k point drop in a couple months which then somehow turned around weirdly.

Push El Burrito fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Oct 28, 2019

Retro42
Jun 27, 2011


She's a CA rep. CA has revenge porn laws. Pretty sure she has a solid case all things considered

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Retro42 posted:

She's a CA rep. CA has revenge porn laws. Pretty sure she has a solid case all things considered
What do you figure the odds are she wants to drag that through court for a couple years?

I'm guessing not great.

betaraywil
Dec 30, 2006

Gather the wind
Though the wind won't help you fly at all

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK posted:

shes running the Super PAC that Giuliani's Ukrainian buddies were using to direct illegal campaign donations


(Note: she is not implicated in any of that she took it over after those activities)

That's loving beautiful. That gets an italian chef kissing his fingers gesture from this guy.

Rent-A-Cop posted:

Photographer owns the rights by default.

Unless they really went out of their way to transfer the ownership. But there's a good possibility that some combination of her public stature as a Rep and the offenders taking the photos down upon request will be enough under prevailing interpretations of the copyright/statute DMCA. (Not a lawyer, definitely never been in this position professionally, but I've listened to a lot of webinars.) I also don't believe Porter is entitled to statutory damages (like the $26,000 per Metallica song of old) because she didn't register her nudes with the Library of Congress.

This is just a potpourri of the reasons it's so important to have a separate revenge porn statute.

TheDisreputableDog
Oct 13, 2005

theflyingorc posted:

That every person who has flirted with anything other than hard leftism is a Nazi

That by attempting to pull someone back from radicalization, you are therefore not standing up to any of their bullshit

That you can't head somebody off at the pass who isn't fully radicalized - a person listening to Joe Rogan is a real bad thing, but it doesn't mean that they can't be pulled back.

My brother was dangerously flirting with tumblr-in-action "the SJWs" stuff. Something got in the way and turned him into a hard leftist, and trying to be that thing is fine (it wasn't me that righted him, not sure what it was).

This is a good post. I think most people on the left would agree that it's beneficial to look into social and economic factors that feed groups like Al Qaeda and ISIS, and further that painting "at risk" groups with a broad brush simply ends up pushing them in that direction. I don't see why the same approach is somehow useless when it comes to Trumpists.

1glitch0
Sep 4, 2018

I DON'T GIVE A CRAP WHAT SHE BELIEVES THE HARRY POTTER BOOKS CHANGED MY LIFE #HUFFLEPUFF

BigBallChunkyTime posted:

God dammit, don't let the people under investigation dictate the terms of the investigation you loving spineless jellyfish.

I guarantee their next argument will be nothing done before now counts because the impeachment inquiry qas invalid. Idiots or controlled opposition. Take your pick.

Asema
Oct 2, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

theflyingorc posted:

Nope, a lot of people are extremely loving stupid. Their vote is inexcusable, but I don't think that's the same thing as irredeemable.

nah, i'm going to spend more time getting people out to vote who were apathetic and didn't vote over wasting time trying to get that magical unicorn that will suddenly switch away from Trump

CascadeBeta
Feb 14, 2009

by Cyrano4747

theflyingorc posted:

Nope, a lot of people are extremely loving stupid. Their vote is inexcusable, but I don't think that's the same thing as irredeemable.

Ignorance is not a loving excuse. Trump wasn't out of office on Jan 22nd because "oops the people didn't know what they were voting for".

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

AhhYes posted:

One thing I saw included was authorizations to release transcripts, have open hearings, and even process rights for the White House, obviously to counter the "secret process" narrative the GOP has been trying to build.

https://twitter.com/BresPolitico/status/1188902172144144387?s=20

I would hope this means they're just moving into another phase where they just bring all the witnesses back for some public victory lap but it's dems so I imagine it's so they can capitulate with every republican demand.

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug

theflyingorc posted:

I'm...fairly certain that we think that "being trans" is developmental in utero, so it doesn't seem that insane that one of two identical twins would be trans, because the DNA isn't currently thought to be the source.


Just to be clear: This is my understanding, which may be inaccurate, of the current science, and it doesn't change the reality of being trans - you're definitely born that way, whether or not it's controlled by DNA doesn't change that it's a real thing.

There's that one actress who's trans and has an identical twin brother. The one that was in the court case some years back.

BigBallChunkyTime
Nov 25, 2011

Kyle Schwarber: World Series hero, Beefy Lad, better than you.

Illegal Hen
https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/1188918425462198272?s=20

kudos to the goon who called it.

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

Good work, Nancy!

theflyingorc
Jun 28, 2008

ANY GOOD OPINIONS THIS POSTER CLAIMS TO HAVE ARE JUST PROOF THAT BULLYING WORKS
Young Orc

CascadeBeta posted:

Ignorance is not a loving excuse. Trump wasn't out of office on Jan 22nd because "oops the people didn't know what they were voting for".

I just called it inexcusable. Redemption, does, in fact, start with the assumption that they did a bad, wrong thing.

theflyingorc
Jun 28, 2008

ANY GOOD OPINIONS THIS POSTER CLAIMS TO HAVE ARE JUST PROOF THAT BULLYING WORKS
Young Orc

HootTheOwl posted:

Good work, Nancy!
*shaking in my boots at the idea of the White House making an argument*

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Heck Yes! Loam!
Nov 15, 2004

a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.

HootTheOwl posted:

Good work, Nancy!

They would do this no matter what nancy did.

I don't think bringing the investigation public at this point is bad. If all the republicans can do is slam on the table, they aren't winning.

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