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What's dumb about the Covington thing is that one kid is the focus of it all. His relative inaction obfuscates the racist hollering and gesticulating of all the kids surrounding him.
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Oct 30, 2019 06:43
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Triskelli posted:I’m fuzzily aware of how we’ve come to this point, but a breakdown of how anti-communist propaganda has lost its teeth since the 90s would be a fascinating read. I personally was pelted by a lot of the usual stuff in the mid-00s - I read Anthem and The Giver, my middle school history teacher gave the “why is it fair for everyone to share grades” lecture. But between watching the recession and picking up a little Marx through casual history study I’ve wound up a staunch anti-capitalist and it seems that’s happened to a lot of folks. Did the collapse of the Soviet Union make people drop their guard or has the status quo become that much more untenable in the last 30 years that we’re looking harder for alternatives? Rage Against The Machine has some fuckin dope rear end riffs and Command & Conquer Soviet campaigns own.
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Oct 30, 2019 06:47
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Unoriginal Name posted:how about the part where she voted against sanctions I didn't know enough about her voting record on sanctions to judge that. Looking into it now, it's more mixed than I was expecting; there was the thing with BDS, and she signed the resolution that disapproved Trump's sanctions of Russia cronies. If the banks were really the dealbreaker in these otherwise-targeted sanctions she should really make that clear because dang it looks bad otherwise.
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Oct 30, 2019 07:01
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Triskelli posted:I’m fuzzily aware of how we’ve come to this point, but a breakdown of how anti-communist propaganda has lost its teeth since the 90s would be a fascinating read. I personally was pelted by a lot of the usual stuff in the mid-00s - I read Anthem and The Giver, my middle school history teacher gave the “why is it fair for everyone to share grades” lecture. But between watching the recession and picking up a little Marx through casual history study I’ve wound up a staunch anti-capitalist and it seems that’s happened to a lot of folks. Did the collapse of the Soviet Union make people drop their guard or has the status quo become that much more untenable in the last 30 years that we’re looking harder for alternatives? I think it’s some of A and some of B. There’s no regime of communist evil to point at since the Soviet fell, even the Chinese have kind of stopped pretending to be communists, and the last 40 years have really seen capitalism roar into late-stage possibly existential threat territory. I’m old enough to remember the Cold War but even then the cracks were showing, I’m not at all surprised that Socialism is not a dirty word now and that people are unironically talking about Marx.
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Oct 30, 2019 07:09
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Potential BFF posted:Rage Against The Machine has some fuckin dope rear end riffs and Command & Conquer Soviet campaigns own. The allied campaign was surprisingly lame in contrast. Red Alert made many a tankies.
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Oct 30, 2019 07:12
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Normy posted:What's dumb about the Covington thing is that one kid is the focus of it all. His relative inaction obfuscates the racist hollering and gesticulating of all the kids surrounding him. I'm also not sure any news organization actually made anything up about him The story would have been gone in like 4 days ALSO pretty sure his friends war whooped and tomahawk chopped at a native which is racist as all hell
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Oct 30, 2019 07:14
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Normy posted:What's dumb about the Covington thing is that one kid is the focus of it all. His relative inaction obfuscates the racist hollering and gesticulating of all the kids surrounding him. There was also a long video of the whole confrontation. The kids were essentially unescorted and were acting like an rear end in a top hat high school football team wandering the streets before an away game and got baited hard by some other protesters. They then did a bunch of aggressive football chants and chimpanzee like dominance displays, massively escalating the situation to the point where stuff might have gotten violent. That’s when drum guy shows up and just does rhythmic chants between the two sides which confuses and deescalates the whole thing. The kids were sort of dicks to him at first though, mocking him and getting up in his face (the famous picture), but then they got bored and distracted and wandered off woooping and hollering. They were dumb as poo poo and people defending them are even dumber.
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Oct 30, 2019 07:18
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theflyingorc posted:
Yeah that's what I'm taking about. One kid absorbed all the attention.
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Oct 30, 2019 07:20
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Normy posted:What's dumb about the Covington thing is that one kid is the focus of it all. His relative inaction obfuscates the racist hollering and gesticulating of all the kids surrounding him. Confrontational stillness is not inaction. His behavior was more symbolic of white supremacy than all the hooting and hollering.
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Oct 30, 2019 07:21
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Wilbur Swain posted:Confrontational stillness is not inaction. His behavior was more symbolic of white supremacy than all the hooting and hollering. Sure but it's a tougher sell.
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Oct 30, 2019 07:30
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Normy posted:Sure but it's a tougher sell. But also, still want to know what exactly the news falsified???
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Oct 30, 2019 07:32
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Just some inaction. Nothing to see here.
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Oct 30, 2019 07:33
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I'm not defending him. People are buying that the kid did just stood there and the others are ignored because people are easily gas lighted. I have no trouble pointing out the truth that all these kids are poo poo heads when it ever comes up. I said relative inaction, perhaps should have said perceived inaction.
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Oct 30, 2019 07:38
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"clearly mentally ill minority" Go gently caress yourself.
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Oct 30, 2019 09:22
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Elviscat posted:I agree. Literally the most bigoted poo poo I have read on these forums in a long time, seriously get the gently caress out of here with this bullshit Eschenique posted:Just some inaction. Nothing to see here.
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Oct 30, 2019 09:31
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i'm not really paying attention are people still defending the kid who is signalling support for a guy that is so racist hate crimes jump by a triple digit percentile in areas he evangelizes in
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Oct 30, 2019 10:40
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Bucky Fullminster posted:Can I ask about all the hate this kid gets? Cos here's my understanding. how do you feel when someone gets inches from your face smiling at you? He is a little bully and should be treated as such until he learns a valuable lesson about not intimidating people. He had many choices that day and he chose to try to impress a bunch of chuds by intimidating someone. Was the native drummer completely in the right? No, but he did not deserve to have his space invaded in such a blatant manner. Personally, I was hoping that the dragging he received would be enough to teach him that lesson but obviously he is going to do what rich people do and spend money until they get the outcome they desire which is another terrible life lesson. They were all wrong that day but only one person is trying to sue.
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Oct 30, 2019 10:42
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Strange Poon posted:i'm not really paying attention are people still defending the kid who is signalling support for a guy that is so racist hate crimes jump by a triple digit percentile in areas he evangelizes in I skipped over it but even if you're a POS (and wearing that hat makes him one in my book), nobody's got a right to libel you. There's exceptions about "you're so unpopular nothing anyone can say about you can be considered libel" but I doubt it applies here. Other than that, yeah. move on.
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Oct 30, 2019 10:46
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Triskelli posted:I’m fuzzily aware of how we’ve come to this point, but a breakdown of how anti-communist propaganda has lost its teeth since the 90s would be a fascinating read. I personally was pelted by a lot of the usual stuff in the mid-00s - I read Anthem and The Giver, my middle school history teacher gave the “why is it fair for everyone to share grades” lecture. But between watching the recession and picking up a little Marx through casual history study I’ve wound up a staunch anti-capitalist and it seems that’s happened to a lot of folks. Did the collapse of the Soviet Union make people drop their guard or has the status quo become that much more untenable in the last 30 years that we’re looking harder for alternatives? It's not that people 'dropped their guard,' it's that the whole concept behind having the guard up is basically a sham now. It's hard to explain to people under around 40 years old just how much the curated lore of the United States was accepted as fact back then. I would say that the people who came of age in the 1990's...e.g...you were at least a world-aware late teen by the time the end of the decade rolled in...are the last group of people that understand keenly how much utter bullshit was just accepted as fact and not argued for the vast, vast majority of Americans. This lore was almost bulletproof unless you put in work to get the deeper details behind everything. The Lore stated that the Soviet Union, like Communism, was bad. Period. They were bad and us and our system of capitalism was good and that was that. This was virtually unassailable because it took work to get more information. Work that most people simply did not put in. Like, trending on twitter now because of Watchmen is what happened in the Greenwood District in Tulsa. Thousands of posts of people being utterly surprised about what happened there, how horrific it all was an how it was essentially memory holed from existence for almost 100 years. Well it wasn't actually memory holed. The info was out there. Academics had written extensive papers putting it in the greater context of lynching and the African American experience. When I was in HS (92-96), I actually cited this incident in a prep paper I got assigned for AP American History. I had to go to the main Branch of the Orlando Public Library to cite things for that paper because that was the only place that had a robust enough archive to get information on the subject matter. I distinctly remember that I was prepared to go to the University of Central Florida's library if I had to if Orlando didn't have the info I needed. That poo poo is one click away now. And this isn't just about the horrific acts of violence that stand out...Now, one click away, you can get the unabridged history of just how loving horrible so many different points in this Country's history really were and, more importantly, how much of a ripple effect through time these incidents had. How it all gets us to the now. What I'm saying is it was inevitable, with the Internet being a thing, that a succeeding generation would eventually call bullshit on older GenX'ers and the entirety of the slob section of the Boomer cohort calling every good thing in the commons 'socialism' as an epithet. It was only a matter of time.
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Oct 30, 2019 10:51
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The Glumslinger posted:Turns out he asked Ukraine about this tape where hookers pissed on Joe Biden Hunter's a coke fiend isn't he? Doesn't seem out of the question there could be video of him with escorts.
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Oct 30, 2019 10:56
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Charlz Guybon posted:Hunter's a coke fiend isn't he? Doesn't seem out of the question there could be video of him with escorts. With the amount of money spent on trying to find any dirt on the last Administration, if that tape existed, you would have already heard about it. They just drummed a member of congress who was ostensibly in a poly relationship OUT OF CONGRESS after she was revenge porn'd by her husband. She's the victim and she ended up resigning. If that poo poo existed, you would have seen it already.
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Oct 30, 2019 11:01
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TyroneGoldstein posted:With the amount of money spent on trying to find any dirt on the last Administration, if that tape existed, you would have already heard about it. They just drummed a member of congress who was ostensibly in a poly relationship OUT OF CONGRESS after she was revenge porn'd by her husband. She got caught screwing one of her subordinates, the fact that the way she got caught was scummy does not make her a victim.
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Oct 30, 2019 11:08
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Lead out in cuffs posted:All true. think you can't discount the polarizing tendencies of the internet and social media in particular. the more you become sympathetic to a point of view, the more you get exposed to it. but social media supercharges that process through sharing systems like likes and retweets, and ai algorithms. some of that will be based on information, some based on disinformation*, but the effect is the same, mass political realignment. (*i see a lot of poorly researched soviet apologia on twitter. to put it politely.) Rinkles fucked around with this message at 11:14 on Oct 30, 2019 |
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Oct 30, 2019 11:12
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ManBoyChef posted:how do you feel when someone gets inches from your face smiling at you? Granted it's been a very long time since I saw the video but didn't the Native American approach him?
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Oct 30, 2019 11:21
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Lead out in cuffs posted:All true. A lot of Russians are worse off under hypercapitalism. IIRC life expectancy nosedived after the Berlin Wall fell, and people essentially stopped having kids due to all the chaos, so they wound up with basically a lost generation
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Oct 30, 2019 11:21
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Vichan posted:Granted it's been a very long time since I saw the video but didn't the Native American approach him? He did after some black Israelites said some really vile poo poo to everybody around them for an hour beforehand. What's more offensive doing a tomahawk chop to some Native Americans or telling them that the reason they lost their country is they worship the wrong God?
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Oct 30, 2019 11:27
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Rust Martialis posted:I skipped over it but even if you're a POS (and wearing that hat makes him one in my book), nobody's got a right to libel you. Truth is an absolute defense against libel Therefore, this kid is a racist, the MAGA hat is the modern-day Swastika armband, and gently caress this kid and the parents who no doubt enabled his racist rear end
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Oct 30, 2019 11:30
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Covington kid is one of my least liked kind of political events because to anyone who actually follows politics and doesn’t have brain worms, it should be obvious why he’s bad and his friends are bad and why his family are trying to use this dumb poo poo to push their reactionary agenda, but it’s also basically impossible to explain to normal people who aren’t into politics because most of them do have brain worms and concepts like political iconography as political statement just don’t register for them.
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Oct 30, 2019 11:35
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More RE Katie Hill https://twitter.com/fawfulfan/statu...ingawful.com%2F loving disgusting
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Oct 30, 2019 11:38
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TyroneGoldstein posted:With the amount of money spent on trying to find any dirt on the last Administration, if that tape existed, you would have already heard about it. They just drummed a member of congress who was ostensibly in a poly relationship OUT OF CONGRESS after she was revenge porn'd by her husband. She’s a victim in the sense of being a victim of revenge porn. That fact is completely separate from her being unethical and loving a subordinate, which is what she is in trouble for/resigned over. There are two separate things here why is it so hard to understand? Regardless of whether or not the revenge porn aspect ever came to light she still did an unethical and bad thing and should most definitely resign over it.
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Oct 30, 2019 11:45
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Boris Galerkin posted:She’s a victim in the sense of being a victim of revenge porn. I don't think you can separate one from the other nor do I think you can say she only resigned for one. Truthfully I didn't know who Hill was before this debacle and I would say that yes, she should resign, but also this is an actual example of a Republican hit job on a Democratic politician, regardless of how good/not good that politician may have been. That context is relevant even if the outcome of her resigning is still the correct decision.
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Oct 30, 2019 11:46
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Lightning Knight posted:I don't think you can separate one from the other nor do I think you can say she only resigned for one. I agree that the context does matter, and I didn’t mean that they should be treated as two entirely different things but that there are two things here: 1) Hill loving a subordinate, which is unethical, 2) Hill’s ex (I presume) selling revenge porn, which is illegal. Regardless of 2, she should have resigned for 1. It may be true that if 2 didn’t happen then she would have never needed to resign for 1, but that doesn’t make 1 okay nor does/should it give her a pass. This is like people apologizing for something “if it was offensive.” You don’t apologize on a condition, you apologize unconditionally. Otherwise you’re only apologizing because you got caught. How they got caught doesn’t really factor into whether or not they should apologize for doing a bad thing.
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Oct 30, 2019 11:53
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https://mobile.twitter.com/girlsreallyrule/status/1189486955320545283
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Oct 30, 2019 11:58
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SimonCat posted:He did after some black Israelites said some really vile poo poo to everybody around them for an hour beforehand. I should note that I'm not trying to defend the MAGA kids at all, gently caress them. I was honestly asking if I was misremembering who approached who.
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Oct 30, 2019 12:01
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https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1189499372557479937 I have trouble squaring "mentioned Biden by name, covered it up, lied about it" and "not actually that big of a deal"
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Oct 30, 2019 12:22
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eke out posted:https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1189499372557479937 I think it means they won’t focus on the editing of the transcript as an issue, but rather continue to focus on the content of the conversation and surrounding actions.
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Oct 30, 2019 12:25
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Jealous Cow posted:I think it means they won’t focus on the editing of the transcript as an issue, but rather continue to focus on the content of the conversation and surrounding actions. if this is what it means, it makes sense - that they don't think the editing was a conspiracy to hide it. but the substance of the edited out portion is very significant
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Oct 30, 2019 12:26
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I was looking for the original release of the phone call record and the first Google result struck me as hilarious: 
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Oct 30, 2019 12:30
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Otteration posted:Completely unrelated but necessary tax: What animal is this?
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Oct 30, 2019 12:33
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From a few pages ago:Bugsy posted:https://twitter.com/AlexThomasDC/status/1189381645671063558 I'm not familiar with the California law on revenge porn - but is seems to only cover a person who the victim knew had the photos and was ok with having them and not anyone who knowingly distributed them. Basically I'm not seeing how anyone but her ex faces any jail time for this.
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