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I've got them set up for knives and grapnels...I didn't see the point to giving them carbines when I have inceptors that can do the job cheaper.
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Hmm - the new Chaos starter just being their half of Shadowspear is kinda wonky. I assume it'll be the Shadowspear sprue for Chaos marines that forces half the unit to use chainswords plus a plasma guy and a autocannon guy? Not that it effects me, I have these models built and painted already but I don't see it as a great start for someone just looking to get into the army. I'm used to weird unit choices for these boxes but this is the first example I can think of that has an inferior sprue in there of a unit that has a better, multipart one.
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Oct 30, 2019 19:54
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Trying to compare the various flavours of primaris to 40k smallmarines is missing the point. They're analogous to the various kinds of legion squads, not chapter ones.
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Oct 30, 2019 19:55
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Deified Data posted:Hmm - the new Chaos starter just being their half of Shadowspear is kinda wonky. I assume it'll be the Shadowspear sprue for Chaos marines that forces half the unit to use chainswords plus a plasma guy and a autocannon guy? The Vanguard one is the same thing. 
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Oct 30, 2019 20:00
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Deified Data posted:Hmm - the new Chaos starter just being their half of Shadowspear is kinda wonky. I assume it'll be the Shadowspear sprue for Chaos marines that forces half the unit to use chainswords plus a plasma guy and a autocannon guy? It makes sense from a manufacturing/marketing perspective. The Shadowspear monopose models have unique molds; molds are expensive and it doesn't make a lot of sense to make one for something like Shadowspear and then shelve it forever once Shadowspear goes out of production (like Dark Vengeance, insert rant about Dark Vengeance CSM aesthetics taking nine years to show up elsewhere because GW of the time didn't plan the sprues out for separate sales). And because it has a unique mold and they're all monopose, you can fit more stuff in there -- the new Chaos Space Marines plastic multipose kit is three half-sprues, but the CSM half of Shadowspear is a full sprue and two half-sprues (not counting the Master of Possession), which means that for just one half sprue more than can be found in the multipose troop kit, Start Collecting: Chaos Space Marines can fit an additional two Greater Possessed, Obliterators, and a giant spider robot. That looks really good on box art, and for sheer number of units is pretty decent value and saves GW money on plastic... and lets them lock things like the multipose CSMs in their own box so if you want to un-gently caress your Shadowspear CSMs, buy the multipose kit, make them up as half chainswords and half bolters, and then buy the Havocs box for different heavy weapon options but be sure to buy the 32mm bases so you can base your Havocs legally for use as heavy weapon CSM troops instead of Havocs proper. Et cetera. Obviously, they could release multipose Obliterators and Greater Possessed and an arachnotron in multipose versions and put them all in Start Collecting, but that'd be too much plastic for one of those, and they could also release a Start Collecting CSM box with less stuff in it and throw the Shadowspear molds out, but... why do that? Why do that when they can use the Shadowspear molds to sell an exciting boxed set and then re-use them to sell boxes with great perceived value to new collectors while pushing experienced players toward the more expensive multipose kits. (And subtly discouraging experienced players from buying multiple Start Collecting boxes instead of the separate kits, like everybody who looked at Start Collecting Tau back during 7th edition and went "It's got how much stuff in it? I'mma buy three of those!") They've only been doing Start Collecting boxes for, what, five years now? Pretty much the two years prior to 8th Edition, right? And minis have a five year production pipeline. I would not be at all surprised if the plan was always to eventually move Start Collecting boxes to bespoke monopose plastic for every army that's popular enough to justify releasing a fancy boxed set with bespoke plastic in it. For example, the Primaris Space Marine and Death Guard halves of Dark Imperium will obviously make great Start Collecting Primaris Space Marines and Death Guard boxes once we get a new edition and Dark Imperium can't be the generic 40k starter box anymore, and the leaked photos of the Sisters box indicate it's got... one full sprue and two half-sprues, just like the CSM half of Shadowspear. So this time next year, we'll get Start Collecting: Sisters of Battle, consisting of the plastic contents of this year's expensive Sisters of Battle limited edition box, minus the limited edition codex, cards, etc.
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Oct 30, 2019 20:37
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Deified Data posted:Hmm - the new Chaos starter just being their half of Shadowspear is kinda wonky. I assume it'll be the Shadowspear sprue for Chaos marines that forces half the unit to use chainswords plus a plasma guy and a autocannon guy? for what it's worth, the other chaos box has the new (sort-of)multi-pose models (new terminators, new havoks, new csm, old lord, old rhino).
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Oct 30, 2019 21:04
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fashionly snort posted:for what it's worth, the other chaos box has the new (sort-of)multi-pose models (new terminators, new havoks, new csm, old lord, old rhino). I'm not as convinced this is a pattern, but, yeah, something that often happens is the battlebox for a given army is set up to compliment the start collecting box. Like, the original Start Collecting Tyranids and the battlebox for 'em that year had a problem where one of them didn't have enough Synapse and the other had too much, but together they were almost ideal, IIRC. The catch with this is the contents of the battlebox changes from year to year, so while this year's CSM battlebox looks like a good compliment to the SC box, next year's may not be, or CSM may not get a battlebox at all.
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Oct 30, 2019 21:17
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Strobe posted:The new Chaos Start collecting is drat near prefect, gently caress. is that the one that's 1 chaos lord, 10 CSMs and a dreadnaught or is there a newer one?
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Oct 30, 2019 21:44
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Filthy Hans posted:is that the one that's 1 chaos lord, 10 CSMs and a dreadnaught or is there a newer one? It's this one in this case:  Even if there is also the Warband box. 
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Oct 30, 2019 21:47
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Stephenls posted:They've only been doing Start Collecting boxes for, what, five years now? Pretty much the two years prior to 8th Edition, right? Nah, they've been doing army boxes for a long time, I had many Battleforce boxes from late 4th. They also used to be far better value, this is what you could get for £50 a decade ago: 
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Oct 30, 2019 22:00
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whiteshark12 posted:Nah, they've been doing army boxes for a long time, I had many Battleforce boxes from late 4th. They also used to be far better value, this is what you could get for £50 a decade ago: I don't mean battleforces, which have always been around, but specifically the Start Collecting!-branded boxes, with that form factor, presented as the place to start for any given army and with the expectation that once an army has a Start Collecting box, then it'll keep having one forever and the contents of it will remain fairly static barring range refreshes.
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Oct 30, 2019 23:01
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whiteshark12 posted:Nah, they've been doing army boxes for a long time, I had many Battleforce boxes from late 4th. They also used to be far better value, this is what you could get for £50 a decade ago: That’s insane value
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Oct 30, 2019 23:24
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whiteshark12 posted:Nah, they've been doing army boxes for a long time, I had many Battleforce boxes from late 4th. They also used to be far better value, this is what you could get for £50 a decade ago: I show that as having been US $145, which was probably more than 50gbp.
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Oct 30, 2019 23:30
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Cooked Auto posted:It's this one in this case: I like look of the warband box, curious to see how much it costs. Granted I have all those units anyway, but not those newer versions. Garbage as the are, I really want to make some terminators.
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Oct 30, 2019 23:37
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Couldn't see in the article, when do the boxes go on sale? Also the Blood Angels box, those are intercessors at the back right?
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Oct 30, 2019 23:40
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That space wolves box seems really random.
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Oct 30, 2019 23:41
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How useful are the Dark Eldar units in the christmas box? I'm currently working on craftworlds, but I eventually want to be able to soup with the other flavors of eldar.
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Oct 31, 2019 00:05
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Yeah those old Battleforce boxes were way more than £50. More like £70-90 depending.
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Oct 31, 2019 00:11
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Deptfordx posted:Couldn't see in the article, when do the boxes go on sale? Yeah, 10 Intercessors in both the BA and SW boxes. You can tell based on their knee pads.
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whiteshark12 posted:Nah, they've been doing army boxes for a long time, I had many Battleforce boxes from late 4th. They also used to be far better value, this is what you could get for £50 a decade ago: To be honest though there's no point talking about what prices were like a decade ago as it was cheaper across the board. When I started collecting my Cadian army they were all metal and very expensive. Then they were £15 for 20 guardsmen, then £18 for 20, then £18 for ten, now its £20 for ten. Games Workshop seems to have based their pricing models on the UK housing market: the best time to invest was years ago.
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I've finally decided to start making a Salamander army. I have an unopened box of infiltrators/incursors. Do either of those synergize well with Salamander stuff or am I better off exchanging for intercessors?
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Oct 31, 2019 01:36
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Deptfordx posted:Couldn't see in the article, when do the boxes go on sale? The article doesn't say, but based on the leaks, the two Start Collecting boxes show up in stores Saturday, November 29th, and the rest of the battleboxes show up a week later on December 7th.
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Gaussian posted:I've finally decided to start making a Salamander army. I have an unopened box of infiltrators/incursors. Do either of those synergize well with Salamander stuff or am I better off exchanging for intercessors? Everyone can enjoy a unit of infiltrators crating a huge no deepstrike zone and your rerolls will make them pretty dangerous thanks to auto wounds on 6. There's not a massive benefit to replacing them so I'd use those dudes and see if the utility works for you.
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Hey Salamander buddy. I'm planning on painting up some Salamanders too. So far I have the Marine half of Shadowspear and Dark Imperium. I'm going to worry about patching holes in the list after those are all done. I have the Vulkan He'stan model too, and I'm debating if I want some small Marines to tag along with him since no Primaris have flamers or meltas.
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Oct 31, 2019 04:09
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Cooked Auto posted:It's this one in this case: Both of those look decent, the chaos units I really like are terminators (I know they're not very good in 8th), bikers and obliterators. The warband box would probably be more useful because I could convert some of those CSMs to berzerkers and have them ride in the rhino behind the bikers and the set comes with terminators.
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Oct 31, 2019 04:14
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Desiden posted:How useful are the Dark Eldar units in the christmas box? I'm currently working on craftworlds, but I eventually want to be able to soup with the other flavors of eldar. Very useful. Basically the cream of the crop. The only bad units are the reavers. And yet honestly a small group of them can still be useful to first turn charge and tie something up in combat. Warriors Venoms Talos Are 3 of DE’s 4 best units. Also, one of the DE planes is really good, but I can’t tell which is I’m the box cause I’m mobile posting. If you bought that package and then 3 venoms you’d be well on your way to a great DE force.
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Oct 31, 2019 04:16
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Forge World stock levels in the US must be chronically low. As soon as a storm cannon comes into stock, I get an email, I go to the site and it's out of stock again.
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Oct 31, 2019 04:26
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Webway Striking Wraiths owns bones. Ten Wraithguard killed two Redemptors in one shooting phase, and ten Wraithblades took basically the entire brunt of my opponent's shooting phase to not even successfully remove. I love them. 
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Oct 31, 2019 05:41
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How much of a dick would I be running three Vindicares against a friend?
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GreenMarine posted:Forge World stock levels in the US must be chronically low. As soon as a storm cannon comes into stock, I get an email, I go to the site and it's out of stock again. Try clicking through to the item page, the search result will show the old index sometimes after restock until they apparently reindex search the next night.
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 So it turns out that, if one is moderately crazy, one can take a rimless normal space marine shoulder pad from e.g. the tactical squad kit and cut scallops out of the corners to make a rimless Phobos shoulder pad.
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Is a mold line remover worth it?
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Try using the back of your scalpel / xacto blade first. If you feel like you want to touch the sharp part, it probably is. Otherwise, just stay with that.
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notaspy posted:Is a mold line remover worth it? Some people swear by them, others are satisfied with running a blade (with the angle reversed) over the mold lines. I got one of these:  It works very well but the pointy end is a legitimate hazard.
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notaspy posted:Is a mold line remover worth it? The curved edge is great for removing mold lines along a curved surface without flattening it as the back of a knife would.
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JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:Very useful. Basically the cream of the crop. Thanks! I'll see how the pricing shakes out.
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JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:Also, one of the DE planes is really good, but I can’t tell which is I’m the box cause I’m mobile posting. It's the Razorwing, which is the really good one. Not because the other, the Voidraven, is bad per say, but because the Razorwing is really points efficient and the Voidraven is less so, and because the 'Raven relies on some gimmick gear that's great when it works but are wasted points when they don't.
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jng2058 posted:It's the Razorwing, which is the really good one. Not because the other, the Voidraven, is bad per say, but because the Razorwing is really points efficient and the Voidraven is less so, and because the 'Raven relies on some gimmick gear that's great when it works but are wasted points when they don't. Well shucks. Then that’s a really good box deal (on paper). Guess it comes down to if the savings of the box outweighs the price of the reavers. If they had less warriors but added a venom, two of the boxes would basically be an ideal way to start an army. Not sure how the points would round out but 3x plane (air detachment) 3x Talos (spearhead detachment) Archons and venom-warrior-squad (battalion detachment) Looks pretty tasty. JIZZ DENOUEMENT fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Oct 31, 2019 |
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Booley posted:I show that as having been US $145, which was probably more than 50gbp. They used to be $90, which in 2008 was ~£47. I assume you've found someone selling it today for that much which is sensible really. Floppychop posted:I have the Vulkan He'stan model too, and I'm debating if I want some small Marines to tag along with him since no Primaris have flamers or meltas. Aggressors can take flamers which are hilarious when paired with He'Stan, their main issue being it's difficult to get them into range. He also buffs their melee attacks which some people don't realise, powerfists that re-roll hits and wounds do a lot of damage!
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whiteshark12 posted:Aggressors can take flamers which are hilarious when paired with He'Stan, their main issue being it's difficult to get them into range. He also buffs their melee attacks which some people don't realise, powerfists that re-roll hits and wounds do a lot of damage! If only he had crossed the Rubicon Primaris so he could ride in the same vehicle as the big boys.
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