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Junior G-man posted:B-b-b-b-but billionaires pay millions in tax!!  Ober for Uxbridge
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Oct 31, 2019 15:03
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Junior G-man posted:B-b-b-b-but billionaires pay millions in tax!! I was just visiting another forum where someone shared this Tweet as proof that Labour is going to crash and burn.
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Oct 31, 2019 15:05
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mfcrocker posted:Filton and Bradders Borrovan posted:loving hell we need some angrier MPs. That faux offence was weak as gently caress, would it really be so hard to point out that you don't get to be a billionaire without exploiting people so (a) gently caress those guys, and (b)we just stop people from exploiting and boom, no more billionaires. The guy actually sounded hesitant at the prospect of offending the poor misunderstood oligarchs Borrovan posted:Ober for Uxbridge
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Oct 31, 2019 15:07
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Necrothatcher posted:So it's proof of data manipulation? No, getvoting.org doesn't have any data on the site about votes that I can see. The data all comes from the 2017 election. What that graph is showing is the difference in votes (as % of the total valid votes) for the party that came second in 2017 (y axis) and the party that getvoting.org suggest you vote for in 2019 (x axis). the closer the value is to 0 the smaller the gap. The diagonal line is the places it suggests you vote for the second place party in 2017 (most of these are labour) the piss cloud is where getvoting.org has decided the lib dems have a better chance than the 2017 runners up. Like I said I'm sorry that it's a bit rushed and probably not as clear as it should be. My favourite constituency is Skipton and Ripon which didn't field a Lib Dem candidate in 2017. Lib Dems have never won here. Their vote collapsed in 2010 and kept collapsing in 2015. getvoting.org suggests voting for the Lib Dems. SpaceCommie fucked around with this message at 15:12 on Oct 31, 2019 |
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Oct 31, 2019 15:07
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Brony Car posted:I was just visiting another forum where someone shared this Tweet as proof that Labour is going to crash and burn. drat, we lost the billionaire and temporarily embarrassed billionaire vote.
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Oct 31, 2019 15:08
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Guavanaut posted:This is the most infuriating bit. There's been all these 'antisemitism scandals' where Corbyn has invited known antisemites to say that the Holocaust was cool and also never happened, and then they get quietly dropped when it's discovered that they were Jewish and/or badly misquoted, so they think everyone knows that Corbyn is an antisemite but they can never put any detail on why or how without running into "a Jewish Labour group invited an old Jewish man to talk about Judaism while Cobyn was in the same building" and so it must always be kept as the Unknown Threat. Or when they attack him for hosting a debate between Palestinian rights groups where one guy said something dodgy and groups of self professed Zionists because he called them Zionists.
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Oct 31, 2019 15:10
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Gonzo McFee posted:drat, we lost the billionaire and temporarily embarrassed billionaire vote. lib dems were never gonna vote labour anyway (conservatives can not be embarassed)
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Oct 31, 2019 15:12
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Guavanaut posted:They're spiders, not ticks. Ticks are arachnids.
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Oct 31, 2019 15:15
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Defending this mural was kind of a bad call, though. I know it doesn't matter to you guys what US Jews think, but this gets brought up every single time I have a conversation about Corbyn.
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Oct 31, 2019 15:17
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Brony Car posted:Defending this mural was kind of a bad call, though. I know it doesn't matter to you guys what US Jews think, but this gets brought up every single time I have a conversation about Corbyn. He made a comment on a Facebook post about its removal alluding to other better art with a radical message being covered up. You might have to deal with it a lot but it's insanely bad faith to suggest its a meaningful incident.
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Oct 31, 2019 15:21
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Brony Car posted:Defending this mural was kind of a bad call, though. I know it doesn't matter to you guys what US Jews think, but this gets brought up every single time I have a conversation about Corbyn. I mean, yeah it's a bad mural but he also didn't defend it? He saw it was being taken down by a council and asked why it was being taken down.
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Oct 31, 2019 15:21
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Not all of the people depicted are Jewish. All of them are capitalists. It's explicitly anti-capitalist, not anti-semitic. It's also not particularly good, but, you know. Artistic merit is not the issue.
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Oct 31, 2019 15:22
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Brony Car posted:Defending this mural was kind of a bad call, though. I know it doesn't matter to you guys what US Jews think, but this gets brought up every single time I have a conversation about Corbyn. People who bring this poo poo up are simply looking for an excuse to not like Jezza, hth.
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Oct 31, 2019 15:23
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The year is 2020, newly in-office Prime Minister Jeremy Hitler unleashes his final solution to the Jewish question: he walks past a man reading a copy of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion without noticing what book it is.
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Oct 31, 2019 15:23
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So reading the BBC at work, which is terrible but the only site I can read the news on, and came across the article on The Workington Man. Basically talking about what the 'average white northern male' will vote for https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-50239341 The last part was pretty funny, if also a terrifying lack of awareness quote:his answer to whether he would vote for Boris Johnson will worry Downing Street: "Oh definitely not. He's a fruitcake. I want Farage."
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Oct 31, 2019 15:24
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SpaceCommie posted:Got bored at work and I've been loving about with the getvoting.json to see what we can see ... This is fantastic. I promise I’m trying to get this info in the right hands. Is this based on the current getvoting info or the stuff from last night?
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Oct 31, 2019 15:25
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sebzilla posted:Not all of the people depicted are Jewish. All of them are capitalists. Eh if I remember rightly the artist is actually anti semetic so the work is bad but Corbyn wasn't involved at any level beyond the comment on the Facebook group so it's pretty irrelevant.
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Oct 31, 2019 15:25
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I'm confused about where the NWO's legs are? On the abused bodies of the prol? It's like a mural of a group of 6 squeezing onto a small table in Spoons and ordering food.
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Oct 31, 2019 15:25
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Brony Car posted:Defending this mural was kind of a bad call, though. I know it doesn't matter to you guys what US Jews think, but this gets brought up every single time I have a conversation about Corbyn. If a facebook like on an anti capitalist graffiti art project where even the artist didn't think it was about Jewish bankers is the best they've got when they continually whistle past the graveyard of JK Rowling's race of greedy hook nosed banking goblins then it's safe to say they've not got much. I mean Corbyn supported Early day motions to bring Jewish refugees from Yemen and personally intervened to stop property developers from building flats over a historic Jewish cemetery and is a North London MP ffs, the accusations of antisemitism are paper thin and only done so they can then move onto the news stories about how Jewish people feel there's an Antisemitism problem because they keep on getting told there's an antisemitism problem.
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Oct 31, 2019 15:25
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namesake posted:Eh if I remember rightly the artist is actually anti semetic so the work is bad I mean, its badness isn't related to the artist having lovely views. But yes, the author also has anti-Semitic views.
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Oct 31, 2019 15:27
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“Old man makes Facebook comment on picture without paying enough attention to the picture” is the state of politics in 2019 lol.
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Oct 31, 2019 15:28
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Brony Car posted:I know it doesn't matter to you guys what US Jews think By the way are you saying "us" as in "we" or "US" as in "American"?
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Oct 31, 2019 15:29
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What is JessPhillips funding exactly?
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Oct 31, 2019 15:31
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Tesseraction posted:By the way are you saying "us" as in "we" or "US" as in "American"? American Jews.
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Oct 31, 2019 15:33
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my masterplan to destroy the jewish race has been revealed. after years of amassing political power, i shall finally unleash a mildly confused facebook comment on the world.
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Oct 31, 2019 15:33
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I mean I looked at it and couldn't immediately figure out the antisemitism, it just looked like vague conspiracy theory/anticapitalist gumbo to me. Cos, like, I'm used to the antisemites just copying off the nazis.
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Angepain posted:The SNP's transphobia problem is interesting as, similar to a lot of issues that aren't independence, there's a split between different factions of the party, and the actual TERF contingent seems to be something of a minority. (Anyone actually close to the internal workings of the SNP feel free to expand on this.) Sturgeon herself seems to be in favour of trans rights, but is also willing to make noise and delay stuff to seem as if she's listening to the bigots. This might prevent big splits in the short term but at this stage looks more likely to disappoint both sides. The TERF lot see anything short of actively rolling back trans protections as a capitulation to the dastardly trans lobby, and as a member of the dastardly trans lobby myself it's obvious this is making their criticisms look legitimate when they could, y'know, actually make a stand on something, anything. Yea, verily, you were so focused on fighting the Tories that you didn't fight... The Tories Within. [dramatic music, lightning bolt] The SNP suspended a trans Councillor for calling someone a TERF, so I think you can work out their policy on it from there. You can be Trans, but just don't make a fuss and don't upset anyone who doesn't want you to exist like Joanna Cherry or Joan McAlpine. I understand your point, it is a difficult area but just as we criticise the Tories over Islamophobia the SNP should be taken to task for their apparent transphobia when they have MSP's inviting TERF speakers over and openly campaigning against trans people having access to services. Which is all extra weird when you consider Sturgeon's apparent support for trans rights in general.
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Oct 31, 2019 15:34
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It's literally just 'If Labour doesn't have an antisemitism problem, why do I keep insisting they do?"
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Oct 31, 2019 15:35
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Brony Car posted:American Jews. I mean, I talk to Jewish Americans and they seem to think it's a bullshit smear? As does the Israeli* I know? Like if you're just consorting with Ben Shapiro types then yeah it's gonna be Jeremy Hitler 24/7. *currently living there as in, I'm not ignoring you Miftan
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Oct 31, 2019 15:36
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Comrade Fakename posted:This is fantastic. I promise I’m trying to get this info in the right hands. Is this based on the current getvoting info or the stuff from last night? Ha, no worries, I got asked by the local party to take a look at it. The "data" is just the .json taken from the getvoting.org site today (wget https://www.getvoting.org/NewData.json) which just lists which party the site will tell you to vote for. This is what I was asked to look over. The vote share etc is all 2017 data from here: http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-7979/HoC-GE2017-constituency-results.csv To be honest it's a bare bones pass on what data I could find so it's pretty preliminary.
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OwlFancier posted:I mean I looked at it and couldn't immediately figure out the antisemitism, it just looked like vague conspiracy theory/anticapitalist gumbo to me. I think there’s a cultural disconnect here, because it reads obviously as antisemitic to me but also this particular vein of chemtrails/right wing militia/conspiracy new world order type of poo poo is/was common in the US and idk if that is true in Britain.
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Of course Ben Shapiro is a *sweatily squints at uncrumpled paper in hand* shonda
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Flipswitch posted:What is JessPhillips funding exactly? The Jess Phillips Foundation for Jess Phillips. Sponsored by Jess Phillips
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namesake posted:Eh if I remember rightly the artist is actually anti semetic so the work is bad but Corbyn wasn't involved at any level beyond the comment on the Facebook group so it's pretty irrelevant. I've seen the middle bit shared around a bunch by people saying "if we all stand up, they lose their game table" and similar stuff with no antisemitic intent. Sucks that the artist's lovely. OwlFancier posted:I mean I looked at it and couldn't immediately figure out the antisemitism, it just looked like vague conspiracy theory/anticapitalist gumbo to me.
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OwlFancier posted:I mean I looked at it and couldn't immediately figure out the antisemitism, it just looked like vague conspiracy theory/anticapitalist gumbo to me. It seemed like common Elders of Zion imagery to me, but maybe I'm... the... ANTI-SEMITE?!?! (looks in mirror and realizes that I'm dressed in white Klan robes)
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Lightning Knight posted:I think there’s a cultural disconnect here, because it reads obviously as antisemitic to me but also this particular vein of chemtrails/right wing militia/conspiracy new world order type of poo poo is/was common in the US and idk if that is true in Britain. Literally the only thing I can tell is that the baddies have big noses. Which I'd be half inclined to put down to the art style? Like the inclusion of new world order/illuminati weirdness is strange but otherwise the theme I get is "the painter does not like capitalism". Are the people in the middle supposed to be particular people because I can only recognize archimedes and gandhi.
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The thing that cartoon most reminds me of is Ben Garrison, who drew similar cartoons with similar iconography and it was easy for Nazis to make edits to them that were openly fascist because he was making fascist dogwhistles. Inevitably, after insisting forever that they were smearing him, he ended up falling in with them.
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Darth Walrus posted:Again, the Conservative manifesto will be drawn up by a fracking lobbyist, so that should be fun. Given this and given Jo Swindon's involvement with fracking, could be quite a bit of mileage in this given the new 'green' consciousness.
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Lightning Knight posted:I think there’s a cultural disconnect here, because it reads obviously as antisemitic to me but also this particular vein of chemtrails/right wing militia/conspiracy new world order type of poo poo is/was common in the US and idk if that is true in Britain. When the mural first went up one of the journalists for a Jewish paper (UK one) interviewed the artist and inquired about the anti-Semitic undertones to which the artist seemed shocked and was like "nah I just drew the richest people alive" - as noted, only half of them are Jewish, the other half Christian. At the time the journalist concluded the mural was fair enough. Said journalist was, years later, retweeting every person possible calling it the most anti-Semitic thing he'd ever seen, until a fellow journalist pointed out the hypocrisy. Can't remember names for the life of me though - he was more just a "lol and move on" type revelation.
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