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Fangz posted:No, volition tells you to do it *because* it's impossible. My read is that volition's angle here is that actually doing the gulags is probably bad, but hey, you gotta have some hope. That's more what I meant. Volition tells you to believe in something, and generally to hope you can do it better. The whole communism thought sequence is really good, including the bit where Rhetoric pipes up with 'Awesome, let's break a few million eggs for this omelette' as you can go 'wait, what, camps?'
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Fangz posted:No, volition tells you to do it *because* it's impossible. My read is that volition's angle here is that actually doing the gulags is probably bad, but hey, you gotta have some hope. Yeah, Volition is the eternal optimist. Communism only failed because you in particular haven't attempted it yet.
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Oct 31, 2019 12:37
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Zero VGS posted:Yeah, Volition is the eternal optimist. Communism only failed because you in particular haven't attempted it yet. Nah. I'd argue that volition is *hopepunk*. Rhetoric is an optimist. ( https://festive.ninja/one-atom-of-justice-one-molecule-of-mercy-and-the-empire-of-unsheathed-knives-alexandra-rowland/ )
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Oct 31, 2019 12:41
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The Saddest Rhino posted:You also get to ask her stuff about what happened in your room way before the interrogation
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Oct 31, 2019 12:47
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On that note i’m enjoying the game constantly going “hey lets discuss politics” but letting me go “nah got a murder to solve”. I did become a feminist but that doesn’t count that’s just common sense. 
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Oct 31, 2019 12:50
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If you then become a fascist afterwards, your brain (or, rather, gut) just about explodes from cognitive dissonance, especially if you insist on keeping both of them.
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Oct 31, 2019 12:54
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Lil Swamp Booger Baby posted:Inland Empire is your internal landscape and at times your ability to probe the consciousness of others, Shivers is your external. They're pretty closely connected, hence why I think high Psy/Fys was probably the most emotionally resonant playthrough I had, especially with the phasmid at the end. Yeah this is the impression I got. with my psy main I noticed that a lot of the inland empire checks are like film noir max payne metaphor versions of how empathy describes other people
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Oct 31, 2019 13:23
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I took the volition communist line to be something like the Shirou vs Archer scene in UBW. So yeah, even if the path is impossible and will only lead to dissapointment, nihilism and death it doesn't mean that its not to right choice to make. Because the thing that counts is the desire to bring about a better world. Which is hilarious because you do end up like Archer after you internalize the thought
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Oct 31, 2019 13:24
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Oh, wow, you can knock the bill at Rags down to only 30 if you engage raging feminist mode.
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Oct 31, 2019 13:29
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Do internalized thoughts unlock conversation options and such, or is just having them enough and internalizing is for stats only?
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Oct 31, 2019 13:42
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Avalerion posted:Do internalized thoughts unlock conversation options and such, or is just having them enough and internalizing is for stats only? My character somehow comes up with a lot of nationalist and misogynist comments despite not even allowing them into my cabinet but it might be because I internalized ADVANCED RACE THEORY
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Oct 31, 2019 14:02
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Cao Ni Ma posted:My character somehow comes up with a lot of nationalist and misogynist comments despite not even allowing them into my cabinet but it might be because I internalized ADVANCED RACE THEORY Just can't stop thinking about those haplogroups. What does it even do? I was quick to punch him instead because watching an old washed up alcoholic do a ridiculous 360 spin kick ruled.
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Oct 31, 2019 14:06
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Night10194 posted:Just can't stop thinking about those haplogroups.
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Oct 31, 2019 14:09
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Avalerion posted:Do internalized thoughts unlock conversation options and such, or is just having them enough and internalizing is for stats only? I got more feminist and communist options, and I see a bunch of people posting screenshots of thought based conversations from thoughts I never even found.
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Oct 31, 2019 14:27
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Huh...so you can get to the Union dude without ever even having to deal with Head Measurer. This is my second playthrough and the differences are pretty cool! I did a heroic leap to grab a jacket and stuffed a corpse in a fridge.
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Oct 31, 2019 14:41
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Thoughts definitely unlock dialogue since there are a bunch I saw for hobocop. They can also provide modifiers to skill checks.
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Oct 31, 2019 14:51
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In my first playthrough I failed at punching out Measure Head , failed at the jump for the alternate route into the docks, completely missed the drunk dude and his card in the hostel and didn't wanna subscribe to Measure Head's advanced racial theories so I spent the first three days doing other poo poo. When I finally managed to get in to the docks by nailing the jump that I had failed like 3-4 times before it was day 3 and Everett told me everything about the lynching without me having to do his door unlocking sidequest. He said he wanted me to do it but the time had passed for it.
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Oct 31, 2019 14:57
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Although its pretty funny occasionally getting the random "wömen!" comment out of nowhere. And the thought coming from your intestines and telling you about the men of wö was hilarious
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Oct 31, 2019 15:19
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Encyclopedia is great, it'll vomit walls of text about utterly pointless minutiae but your character is still not too confident about the basic structure of reality or where he fits into it. I especially liked how rambling on about automotive trivia became a valid option more than once.
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Oct 31, 2019 15:38
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i think a lot of people misconstrued Shivers. Shivers isn't the genius loci of Revachol, Shivers is just what it says on the tin - Harry's preternatural ability to interpret the world based on his physical sense of perception. That method is *how* Revachol talks to Harry. As a rule, (but not totally guaranteed) if it's properly capitalized the sense is working as advertised. if it's all caps, the city is talking to Harry directly.
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Oct 31, 2019 17:24
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My Harry didn't arrest Klaasje purely based on the fact that Shivers was cool with her.
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Oct 31, 2019 17:41
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If you think about it, Klaasje is directly responsible for the Tribunal, and all deaths that follows from it.
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Oct 31, 2019 17:46
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Broken Cog posted:If you think about it, Klaasje is directly responsible for the Tribunal, and all deaths that follows from it. If you think about it even more COMMUNISM killed those people
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Oct 31, 2019 17:49
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Hackan Slash posted:If you think about it even more COMMUNISM killed those people But Communism didn't suggest to stage a mock execution.
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Oct 31, 2019 17:49
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Hackan Slash posted:If you think about it even more COMMUNISM killed those people I thought love did 'em in.
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Oct 31, 2019 17:50
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Broken Cog posted:If you think about it, Klaasje is directly responsible for the Tribunal, and all deaths that follows from it. I think that's more on the head of the shooter, or the company who decided to send heavily armed mercs with ptsd in as strikebreakers - wild pines wanted them to shoot second and kill everyone in sight.
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Oct 31, 2019 17:55
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wiegieman posted:I think that's more on the head of the shooter, or the company who decided to send heavily armed mercs with ptsd in as strikebreakers - wild pines wanted them to shoot second and kill everyone in sight. Nah I fully believe the company sent them first and foremost to intimidate and play "scabs", but as the merc leader tells you during the tribunal, seeing their commander killed and humiliated kinda broke them and they don't care about their orders anymore. Of course, hiring a PMC to do poo poo like that in the first place is kind of a bad idea, and some of the blame should fall on the Pines.
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cool new Metroid game posted:In my first playthrough I failed at punching out Measure Head , failed at the jump for the alternate route into the docks, completely missed the drunk dude and his card in the hostel and didn't wanna subscribe to Measure Head's advanced racial theories so I spent the first three days doing other poo poo. When I finally managed to get in to the docks by nailing the jump that I had failed like 3-4 times before it was day 3 and Everett told me everything about the lynching without me having to do his door unlocking sidequest. He said he wanted me to do it but the time had passed for it.
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Oct 31, 2019 18:03
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There's a ton of blame to go around for that entirely hosed up situation: Harry for wasting so much time on his pointless bullshit, the gently caress up dock boys who thought there would be no consequences to saying they brutalized a solider and displayed his body like trash, the mob bosses who know who the real killer is and what is going to happen and welcome it, the woman who almost reflexively decided to cover the whole thing up because it might blow back on her, the people who thought war criminals were the best folks to include in a civil defense force, and of course the actual killer. So, you know, wide field on that one.
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I think it's a complicated set of consequences and assigning blame isn't the most important thing. Though overall I'd blame the deserter because ultimately he is the one that acted with the most pure malice in the whole situation. He wanted these people to suffer. He wanted all of Revanchol to suffer.
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I played this for a couple hours last night and yup, it's good! I made a character focusing on Psyche and trying to play him as much like a stereotype of a hard-boiled noir detective as possible. Except his appetites, impulses, and weaknesses keep on getting in the way so instead it's playing out like he's kind of hopeless idiot who wishes he was a detective. So, like, perfect. I feel like this game was made for me.
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Heithinn Grasida posted:I don’t think Esprit de Corps ever told me something harmful or wrong, either. It tells you Jean and the other cop aren't from your station because you would *obviously* remember your fellow cops.
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Broken Cog posted:Nah I fully believe the company sent them first and foremost to intimidate and play "scabs", but as the merc leader tells you during the tribunal, seeing their commander killed and humiliated kinda broke them and they don't care about their orders anymore. I don't think this is accurate. If they had come for that reason, dude's clothes wouldn't have been so drat tight. I think that was a ruse after the poo poo went down and they had to make do with what they had.
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chaosapiant posted:I don't think this is accurate. If they had come for that reason, dude's clothes wouldn't have been so drat tight. I think that was a ruse after the poo poo went down and they had to make do with what they had. White Pines != Krenel, it's possible that White Pines just put the ad out and Krenel picked up on it even though it's wholly unsuited to what they were supposed to do, because money
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I dunno if this is public knowledge or w/e but someone in their Discord just confirmed we're getting a digital artbook and soundtrack sometime next year. And that the English Translation of prolly coming "Late next year"
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Oct 31, 2019 19:15
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Sell a poster of the thought cabinet painting, cowards
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Oct 31, 2019 19:19
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Latest patch finally fixed my softlock issue at the very end. So, regarding the last conversation, is it normal that I cannot prove a motive if I didn't speak to the phasmid or do they just not care because I didn't bring either Kim or Cuono? I got the motive during the interrogation with the deserter.
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redgubbinz posted:Encyclopedia is great, it'll vomit walls of text about utterly pointless minutiae but your character is still not too confident about the basic structure of reality or where he fits into it. I can say with no exaggeration that I now know more about the geography and history of Disco Elysium than I do real life, thank you US Public School System.
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wiegieman posted:I think that's more on the head of the shooter, or the company who decided to send heavily armed mercs with ptsd in as strikebreakers - wild pines wanted them to shoot second and kill everyone in sight. You can actually look at the squad and understand exactly how they worked previously Korty was the muscle, De Paule handled all the back-end logistics work, Ruud was the rabid dog they let off the leash when poo poo was going real bad, and Lely was the leader and the face who kept the whole thing together. Lely wasn't exactly a good person, but he also wasn't the type who was going to gun down a crowd of people, and the others listened to him. There was nothing to indicate that they were going to do anything of the sort, had the unit stayed together. They were there for intimidation and by all accounts they'd been there for a while without incident. But having their leader publicly executed not only made all of them angry and confused, it also left Korty in charge, and he absolutely was not fit for it. He couldn't keep a handle on Ruud, he let De Paule go into some kind of anxiety-rage spiral, and he himself couldn't come up with a better solution than just finding the most obvious suspects and shooting them. Plus, he was obviously emotionally hosed up already, and having his brother, who he genuinely cared for and relied on to tell him what to do, die unexpectedly and violently left him very much unhinged. It really isn't possible to declare that the whole thing was anyone's fault, exactly. Everyone made their own contribution to the thing going completely to poo poo and anyone could have put a stop to the thing at any point.
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Yeah, one of the big surprises is the extent to which you find out Col. Lely was the guy keeping his unit together and relatively sane. Kort definitely means it when he says 'the Colonel would have spared the lot of you', especially considering you get a bonus from throwing him off because the same dialogue has him admit he's nowhere near as good a leader and lose some faith in himself. The entire Tribunal is a tragedy that, in a lot of games, you'd have been able to talk your way out of; all the signs are there. But because of which of the mercs is dead, and where the situation's gone, there's no talking this down without some degree of bloodshed anymore. I actually really like that you absolutely can't talk your way entirely out of that mess; it feels more honest to how badly things had gone to even get to that point
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