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GoutPatrol posted:I mean...I would be fine with that. I'm getting very tired of playing against it. But compared to some much more annoying poo poo...it can live for now. T3feri Spell Queller
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Nothing until something proves it needs it. Banning cards in competitive formats because they create feelbads when the meta is fine and diverse is not good.
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Nov 1, 2019 03:04
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Tom Clancy is Dead posted:Nothing until something proves it needs it. Banning cards in competitive formats because they create feelbads when the meta is fine and diverse is not good. its this even if you hate t3feri its a pretty good safety valve against the Marvel decks and we should really make sure it isn't the only thing preventing turn 4 Emrakuls and Ulamogs from destroying the format before we ban it
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Nov 1, 2019 03:21
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Nov 1, 2019 03:33
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Teferi, Time Raveler isn't unfair tbh. Just good.
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Nov 1, 2019 03:34
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Things to ban in pioneer: Islands Swamps Wastes
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Nov 1, 2019 03:38
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Teferi, Time Raveller probably would have been more enjoyable to play against if his passive and his +1 were swapped, and while I find him incredibly unfun to play against in standard, I think he's fine in pioneer.
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Nov 1, 2019 03:42
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berenzen posted:Teferi, Time Raveller probably would have been more enjoyable to play against if his passive and his +1 were swapped, and while I find him incredibly unfun to play against in standard, I think he's fine in pioneer. Hey, somebody else who likes this idea! The part where Teferi makes a bunch of stuff not work properly because of the specific wording of his effect is frustrating as well, especially when "Your opponents can't cast spells during your turn" would do the job just fine and feel more like a white effect than the original Teferi's 'technically blue' effect. Yes, it makes your opponent able to counter your countermagic, but gently caress you, a card shouldn't be able to remove all ability to interact with the stack.
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Nov 1, 2019 03:47
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Tubgoat posted:Oko I love how dedicated you are to this bit
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Mezzanon posted:I love how dedicated you are to this bit 
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Nov 1, 2019 04:03
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Has anyone effectively broken Aetherwork Marvel yet? That was my guess for picking up a ban when the format was announced, but it doesn't seem to be making waves. Is Ulamog and Emrakul just not good enough?
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Nov 1, 2019 04:17
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I actually dislike Spell Queller specifically because it is kludged together in such a way that it interacts poorly with a whole bunch of stuff in a not fun way, and it's attached to a competitively-priced card so the poor interactions come up a lot. The main ones are that it counters uncounterable spells and uses the old abusable O-Ring templating, but it also bypasses Veil of Summer in the worst possible way, because spells don't have hexproof and it's not technically countering it. Questing Beast has a similar problem but the kludges are narrower - damage prevention bypassing protection typically doesn't matter because Blightbeetle can't block it anyway, and the trample + deathtouch interaction is at least consistent with the game rules as a whole even if it's wildly unintuitive. For another example of damage assignment being weird, Torbran makes combat awkward because you still need to assign lethal damage and Torbran's effect applies after, so your red 3/1 can't eat 3 3/3s because it has to assign 3 damage to the first one despite meaning it overkills it.
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Nov 1, 2019 04:41
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Bypassing Veil of Summer. What a tragedy. Related: my top 3 cards to ban: Veil of Summer Veil of Summer Veil of Summer
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Nov 1, 2019 05:09
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suicidesteve posted:Bypassing Veil of Summer. What a tragedy. That card is dumb. And i play it when possible.
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suicidesteve posted:Bypassing Veil of Summer. What a tragedy. The card should have been printed in modern horizons, where it belongs 
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Nov 1, 2019 05:38
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ungulateman posted:The card should have been printed in modern horizons, where it belongs It should have been printed where it truly belongs. The dumpster.
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Nov 1, 2019 05:47
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Veil of Summer shouldnt exist. if you disagree you are wrong. Being mad that a card bypasses veil of summer is proof you are on the side of evil and should not be trusted.
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Nov 1, 2019 05:52
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i've got the "no take only throw" comic in mind but it's a blue mage with "pls interact on stack? no interact!! only get countered" the black mage is saying "pls play creature? no attack!! only get removed" but at least he lets enter the battlefield abilities go on the stack before killing the creature in response
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Nov 1, 2019 06:11
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Tibalt posted:Has anyone effectively broken Aetherwork Marvel yet? That was my guess for picking up a ban when the format was announced, but it doesn't seem to be making waves. Is Ulamog and Emrakul just not good enough? There were a couple Marvel decks but the energy package may not be good enough to compete against other decks. There was at least one 5-0 with it. Yeah, Marvel makes energy, but the best part was being able to cast something the turn it came out.
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Nov 1, 2019 06:18
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ungulateman posted:i've got the "no take only throw" comic in mind but it's a blue mage with "pls interact on stack? no interact!! only get countered" yeah, i cant believe how many spells blue counters. a dozen a game? more??? its about time green got a way to deal with it
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Nov 1, 2019 06:39
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suicidesteve posted:Bypassing Veil of Summer. What a tragedy. One of my favorite mtgo moments recently has been someone casting Veil of Summer in response to a lightning axe, the veil resolved, then the lightning axe, and then their creature died. 30 seconds passed and I just saw “****” in the chat followed immediately by a concession. Similar situation happened in modern right after Throne dropped and the opponent cast a Veil of Summer in response to a Thoughtknot Seer trigger.
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Nov 1, 2019 06:43
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Is anyone going to champs on Saturday? rabidsquid posted:yeah, i cant believe how many spells blue counters. a dozen a game? more??? its about time green got a way to deal with it My opponent has never resolved a spell against me. NEVER!!!!!!
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Nov 1, 2019 07:06
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Dehtraen posted:One of my favorite mtgo moments recently has been someone casting Veil of Summer in response to a lightning axe, the veil resolved, then the lightning axe, and then their creature died. 30 seconds passed and I just saw “****” in the chat followed immediately by a concession. #fuckreading rabidsquid posted:yeah, i cant believe how many spells blue counters. a dozen a game? more??? its about time green got a way to deal with it Meanwhile, White is sitting in the corner crying as Blue keeps hoarding all the taxing counterspells while claiming White is still primary in taxing. "White dips its toe into the ability with taxing and delay-style counterspells." Barring reprints, the last actual white counterspell was back in loving CONFLUX, over a decade ago. Meanwhile, there's 4 taxing counters in Blue in Standard alone, not even touching on other formats. Give me a colorshifted Mana Leak, or Delay, or Remand, or counter-Oust. poo poo that's like, "you can have this spell, but (you have to jump through my hoops/not right now)". Keep hard counters in Blue, but pass some of the "soft" counters over to White.
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Nov 1, 2019 07:15
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Sickening posted:That facebook group is horrible and I have no idea why anybody wouldn't be on the subreddit or at least the main discord by now. Reddit is one of the shittiest sites in the world, is my guess
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My favorite part about lovely mtg Facebook groups is how on every post, no matter what it’s about, one of the first three comments is multi paragraph screed against netdecking and calling for players to go back to a simpler age of mtg that never actually existed, where everyone was just running rogue brews and there was no meta whatsoever.
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Nov 1, 2019 12:20
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drat near everyone netdecks, and even if they don't if someone cobbled together a modern deck out of the multiple thousands of available cards it's more than likely that someone has done that deck and better and posted it online.
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Nov 1, 2019 12:55
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ungulateman posted:I actually dislike Spell Queller specifically because it is kludged together in such a way that it interacts poorly with a whole bunch of stuff in a not fun way, and it's attached to a competitively-priced card so the poor interactions come up a lot. The main ones are that it counters uncounterable spells and uses the old abusable O-Ring templating, but it also bypasses Veil of Summer in the worst possible way, because spells don't have hexproof and it's not technically countering it.
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Nov 1, 2019 13:43
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Bypassing Veil of Summer is actually extremely good because the card is horseshit and should’ve been toned down somehow
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Nov 1, 2019 13:51
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TheKingofSprings posted:the card is horseshit and should’ve been toned down somehow
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Nov 1, 2019 13:54
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TheKingofSprings posted:Bypassing Veil of Summer is actually extremely good because the card is horseshit and should’ve been toned down somehow Same, but Oko.
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Nov 1, 2019 14:03
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Just lol at complaining about spell queller and being mad that veil of summer doesn't work in that one spot, imagine being upset about queller and not veil, the dumbest color hoser ever printed.
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Nov 1, 2019 14:54
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Fingers McLongDong posted:Just lol at complaining about spell queller and being mad that veil of summer doesn't work in that one spot, imagine being upset about queller and not veil, the dumbest color hoser ever printed. Veil doesn't hit red.
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Nov 1, 2019 14:55
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Tubgoat posted:Veil doesn't hit red. I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean
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Nov 1, 2019 14:59
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Fingers McLongDong posted:I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean
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Nov 1, 2019 15:11
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Ok Ill bite, how is Spell Queller meaningfully worse than any other counterspell?
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Nov 1, 2019 15:15
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AnEdgelord posted:Ok Ill bite, how is Spell Queller meaningfully worse than any other counterspell? it bypasses veil of summer
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Nov 1, 2019 15:16
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AnEdgelord posted:Ok Ill bite, how is Spell Queller meaningfully worse than any other counterspell? I mean it exiles the spell, hits anything 4 or less and leaves a 2/3 body. It’s a good card, Tubgoat just has brain problems (about it)
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