Braggart posted:

You know, I think one of the motivations for BREX to contest every seat was that it allows more of them to get in on the grift. Nige still gets the lion's share, but it's a trickledown trough.

gh0stpinballa posted:

trots are so loving weird

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

Ah, the kapparomeo Pre-prepared Essay, which he posted within seconds of the labour party leadership election result

Yeah that was a good one

quote:

Congratulations! I'm glad that Corbyn has won. It represents a great opportunity. If there's one thing that lefties hate more than splitters it's democracy but with Corbyn in charge the Left now have no excuses to fall back on and no Establishment conspiracy to blame - defeat will entirely be on themselves. I might be concerned that Corbynite blinding aggression and deafening volume would override sense if this was shortly before the next General Election but as it stands 4 1/2 years is plenty of time for the Corbynites to drive themselves into the ground. If Corbyn loses in 2020 then left-wing politics will be fully discredited, the Blairite post-GE claim that British elections are won in the centre will be definitvely proven, and the socialist cancer consuming the country will go into remission for another generation.

Enjoy the party, chaps.

quote:

lmao you petulant little bitch you had this all typed out and ready to go, didn't you? gently caress off.

mila kunis posted:

Should labour pull off a win in this election would Corbyn's agenda be hobbled by blairites?

mila kunis posted:

Should labour pull off a win in this election would Corbyn's agenda be hobbled by blairites?

quote:

MANDELSON: Well, we were elected with a very clear
manifesto and with a very clear programme John, and with a very strong mandate
from the public. And I think people are just enormously relieved that they
have at last a Government that does know its own mind and has started in the
first week in Office getting under way the important start that we have made.
For example, in Education and schools, I was very pleased to see - I'm not
going to forshadow the Bills that are going to be announced in the Queen's
Speech, but we know that the immediate priorities for the government are to
drive up standards in our schools and to reduce class sizes in our primary
schools. But we can do much more than that and I was very pleased that the
Schools Minister straight away this week announced that his Department would be
identifying failing schools and identifying the action needed to tackle those
failing schools. In Health too action has been immediately taken. Let me make
this point because I think it's important that people understand quite what
we've taken on and what we've started on this week. The Bills that are going
to be introduced following the Queen's Speech on Health are very very
important ones, but already Frank Dobson the Health Secretary has taken action
to free up resources within the National Health Service so that more money can
be devoted to patient care, so that we can get more people treated in the
National Health Service. But importantly too, and this is very crucial for the
long-term, appointing a new Minister for Public Health, really getting to grips
with and tackling those inequalities that exist in our society, at the root of
which are poor public health I think is very important, if we're not simply
going to use the National Health Service as a corrective, but to use measures
to prevent ill-health setting in in the first place. Now these are radical
challenges. Jack Straw's battle plan to tackle crime.

HUMPHRYS: Right, let's come up to some of those,
in a minute, if I may.

MANDELSON: These are all very very impressive, and
they presage very radical changes which are addressing directly the real needs
and concerns of the people of this country.

HUMPHRYS: Right. Let me come back to some of
those in a minute, but let's stay with the theme for the moment of the way you
are exercising - going to exercise power. The role of MPs - the role of Labour
MPs in particular. Now, during the Election campaign they were pretty much
told what to do. They were given a line and they had to stay with that line.
Fair enough people will say, you had the discipline and it helped you to win
the Election.

MANDELSON: I don't think you understand the
Labour Party.

HUMPHRYS: Well, I've spoken to an awful lot of
members of the Labour Party and MPs and candidates, and it's perfectly clear
what happened during that campaign. The question now is whether that is going
to continue during this Government, and that worries some MPs. We heard some
of them talking about it in that film, being treated like monkeys on a stick.

MANDELSON: MPs are not being treated like monkeys
on sticks and you're taking out of context actually one flippant remark made
by one Labour Member of Parliament. (INTERRUPTION) But I think you're missing
the point here. I think you're missing the point here. I think, you're
missing a very, very important point, which is that the Labour Party has
changed. People who are coming into Parliament for the first time are New
Labour people - modernising people - who are fully committed to the direction
in which Tony Blair is leading the Labour Party.

They haven't been selected by the Party
grass roots on a One Member, One Vote basis, incidentally, in order to come
into Parliament, in order to frustrate Tony Blair; they haven't come into
Parliament in order to impede or present barriers to the implementation of our
manifesto. That manifesto was signed up to by the entire Party membership,
including MPs on whom it is binding. People want to see our radical manifesto
implemented. Not sidetracked, not buried, not sort of mired in day to day
events. They want a Government which is going to address the long-term needs
of our country, equipping our economy for the future and making sure that we
have many more successes-

HUMPHRYS: Alright.

MANDELSON: -in our country.

HUMPHRYS: Please don't give me another list, just
at the moment because I do want to return to that.

MANDELSON: Well, oh, well, you say you don't want a
list. What you're saying-

HUMPHRYS: ...just a minute ago and I'm trying to
keep a particular theme, for a moment.

MANDELSON: -what you're saying-But, the theme that
you're pursuing is this, John. That the-And, it was ... by the film, that
we've just seen. That the Labour Party's manifesto was in some way stood
slight, or weak or didn't embody radical proposals.

HUMPHRYS: I've not even made reference to that,
yet!

MANDELSON: No, no, your film did - your film did,
your film did -and I think it was wrong because you see-

HUMPHRYS: Well, you've told us throughout the
campaign that you had a modest manifesto-

MANDELSON: No, no, we didn't actually.

HUMPHRYS: -that you were presenting to us. You
said over and over again: this Party is not gonna make a whole string of
promises like previous Parties in previous Elections and then be called to
account by the Electorate. We're going to tell you what we realistically
believe we can achieve.


HUMPHRYS: Let me get in a question, if I may - if
I may. Now, the question is this: you seem to be saying, in that answer, that
you regard MPs not so much as representatives but as delegates, sent to
Parliament in order to carry out the wishes of the Leadership? Is that right?

MANDELSON: Labour Members of Parliament have been
elected in order to carry out the manifesto for which we have received an
overwhelming mandate from the public.

HUMPHRYS: So, they're not, in that sense, then,
representatives, then, of their constituencies in the Burkian sense, for
instance. They're there to do what the Leadership tells them to do?

MANDELSON: No. They're there to do what the public
have elected them to do. That's the difference, John. You see, you're trying
to drive a wedge and I understand why you're doing so because it's the sort of
line of argument.

HUMPHRYS: Because it's a very, very important
issue - that's why!

MANDELSON: It's a bit of patter that you sort of-
you know, pulled out of your film and I understand why you're doing it.

HUMPHRYS: On the contrary.

MANDELSON: I understand why you're doing it but the
point I think - the bore point - is this that we had a very full
manifesto, that was published over a year ago. It was very thoroughly worked
out. We had very detailed plans, which in our first week in Office we have
started to implement. It was a manifesto that was backed by ninety-five per
cent of our Party membership. It is binding on each candidate, who stood for
the Labour Party in this Election. Of course, each of those candidates who's
become a Member of Parlimament represents their Constituency and defends and
stands up for their constituents' interests. Of course, everyone does that.

I champion the interests of my
constituency in Hartlepool and I do so very vigorously and very proudly but I
also know that what the people of Hartlepool need, like the rest of the
country, are important measures, described in our manifesto, which I am
committed as a member of the Government, just as other Labour MPs are who
support the Government, to introducing and that is what we're going to do over
the next five years.

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3739515&userid=175409#post450106766

Angepain posted:

Tigey posted:

Guavanaut posted:

Could someone write something for this, I don't know any of the good numbers and the Establishment NHS frowns upon my personal thoughts.

Chuka Umana posted:

I mean I feel like they're somewhat right in the sense that this is really the best shot for radical leftists in Labour. There really isn't anyone to blame but Corbyn if Labour loses.

ronya posted:

Skwawk sounds like it wants to blame John McDonnell already...

Darth Walrus posted:

One question - where was that thing about Johnson's 'permanent solution' to social care that he was keeping secret until after the election?

Gonzo McFee posted:

Lmao mate even if Labour got a massive majority there's a chance they would refuse to vote for him to be Prime Minister.

Chuka Umana posted:

Not saying that as an attack on Labour, but I have little patience for people who will try to re-litigate this election in the coming years by blaming it on the media or Farage or whatever if Labour loses.

The left should really appreciate the importance of this election, it's either now or never.

OwlFancier posted:

I strongly disagree, it is now, and always. You don't pack it in because you either won or lost.

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

Meanwhile, I trust the thread can make good use of this? (found on facebook)



If Corbyn wins I think I shall be making this my christmas card to all friends and family, starting with the most gammon and working my way down

Darth Walrus posted:

One question - where was that thing about Johnson's 'permanent solution' to social care that he was keeping secret until after the election?

OwlFancier posted:

That seems self defeating.

Darth Walrus posted:

One question - where was that thing about Johnson's 'permanent solution' to social care that he was keeping secret until after the election?

quote:

Mr Johnson’s team is finalising plans for social care, which he pledged to fix “once and for all”. However, some in government are pushing for the measures to be kept under wraps until after the next election.

ronya posted:

This did not work terribly well...

Angepain posted:

Ok here's my synthesis of mine and Tigey's posts. (also lol at that kelly edit i made ages ago coming back to haunt me and still being relevant after all these years. though i guess the party being referred to in the leftmost cloud has changed somewhat.) Those in the know let me know all if there's anything needs added/taken away, i'm not a mental health professional so most of this advice is second hand:

Hi everyone! In these wild times please remember to take good care of your own mental health. This election period is going to be an absolute emotional rollercoaster, regardless of the result. There is so much at stake, both generally in the country and personally for many of us, and there are bound to be further massive highs and depressing lows as the election carries on. There will be no shortage of things happening and people saying things and stuff you could be thinking about or potentially doing to help. There will be no shortage of tedious arguments where people speak past each other or wild brawls where people accuse each other of being responsible for society's ills.

In all of this it can often feel like you're obliged to pay attention to all of the stuff going on. It can often feel like you have to exhaust yourself in order to dedicate every last drop of energy you have towards the election. There may well be times when you find yourself unable to think about anything else, constantly refreshing livefeeds or searching out new horrible things that you know will make you angry or sad and that there is nothing you can do about. This isn't healthy - don't do it.

Please make sure you are taking enough time away from politics over the next few weeks to avoid damage to your own emotional wellbeing/mental health. It's good for you, and even if you don't care about yourself it's good for those around you as well. Whatever happens we're all going to need people who care about stuff, and we're going to need a good chunk of those people to be able to get up in the morning.

If you're feeling overwhelmed or need someone to talk to, there are details of helplines you can call here, here and here.

MrFlibble posted:

Sure, but if they replace Corbyn with anyone to his right I ain't voting for 'em.

Guavanaut posted:

I always love reminding/telling people that the first thing that Blair's Labour did was crush benefits for single mums.

Communist Thoughts posted:

unless like 300,000 lefties leave the labour party or the PLP manages to stop people voting for the leadership I don't think the labour right is taking control of the leadership anytime soon

MrFlibble posted:

Its a matter of messaging. Milliband was 'the left' in 2015 and I voted Labour then but wouldn't now.

Chuka Umana posted:

Wait you're not voting Labour?

Sanitary Naptime posted:

Podcasting is Praxis Episode 11 - Swindling Here! is now available for consumption.

I hope you all enjoy it!

MrFlibble posted:

Good to see you have the level of reading comprehension I expected you would have

ronya posted:

McDonnell is whipping a very similar pledge to not raise taxes (except on corporation rates and the top 5% income bracket). If this doesn't raise enough revenues, it will run into a problem... once in government, simply not reversing Tory cuts is no longer a, I think the term of art is magical money tree?

We might be in the curious situation again where Labour is whipping a tighter line on taxes than the Tories, esp since Johnson seems to have located that tree in his backyard. Growing in a ditch, no doubt.

Rarity posted:

I had a blast recording this ep, friends. Obviously I'm biased but I think it's a really good one.

Angepain posted:

i can't wait until everybody in the forums has kirby avatars and the forum just becomes a kirby fansite with occasional derails about politics