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kustomkarkommando posted:The election period doesn't technically start till the dissolution of parliament which will be one minute past midnight this coming Wednesday, so Tuesday is the last sitting day. This is important because a lot of things that cost money like getting leaflets through doors in the next few days don't count as election spending until this happens. Get some activity done and dusted before then if you can arrange it. The 1922 committee is a bunch of horrible Tories which maintain accountability for the leadership within the Tory party. namesake fucked around with this message at 17:16 on Nov 2, 2019 |
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Free hospital parking is relevant as a central policy when you consider NHS underfunding. Because if you leave it to the local authority they're not gonna get rid of the fares because they're not relevant to their actual hospitalling metrics.
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Tarnop posted:You can tell they're bullshitting by the bit of their Twitter profile that says "Guardian writer" Good point. 
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OwlFancier posted:Free hospital parking is relevant as a central policy when you consider NHS underfunding. Because if you leave it to the local authority they're not gonna get rid of the fares because they're not relevant to their actual hospitalling metrics. the curse of defining your KPI metrics badly
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namesake posted:This is important because a lot of things that cost money like getting leaflets through doors in the next few days don't count as election spending until this happens. Get some activity done and dusted before then if you can arrange it. Nah the electoral commissions regulated period is a full 365 days before an election and in the event of an unscheduled election the same timeframe applies but backdated - so this elections regulated period startef in Dec 2018. Most past spending won't met the purpose tests to be classed as election spending though unless it's like "vote for us in the coming general election" but yeah leafletting with vote Labour now will absolutely count towards election spending. The ofcom rules on election coverage and stuff don't kick in until the formal election period though after parliamentary dissolution
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What lovely weather eh
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Cerv posted:the curse of defining your KPI metrics badly I mean I'd prefer "ensure patients and staff have free parking on site" as a policy rather than "redefine the KPIs for NHS hospitals to promote reasonable levels of access to parking" because I'm not a loving liberal.
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Nov 2, 2019 17:33
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There are actually guidelines for how NHS organizations should administer a transport policy. It does advise hospitals in cities/towns not to charge less than local parking. A quote repeated in all four of its case studies that gives you a flavour of the problem: quote:Car-park occupancy levels often reach and surpass 100%.
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Nov 2, 2019 17:35
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It's not just about people parking at the hospital in order to go somewhere else (as mentioned several times this is easily solved), but there's a broader issue of behaviours that you are trying to encourage. If hospital parking is free but there's only one bus an hour, then people who are for example visiting a friend/relative and have the choice between the bus or driving will take the car because it's far more convenient. There's no reason for the bus provider (even a publically owned one) to add more frequent buses to the route because there aren't that many people using them. What the Guardian article is missing though is that if you just add parking charges without actually providing extra buses or cycle routes etc. then you are just straight up introducing a regressive service charge, which is exactly why Corbyn wants to remove it. If that is combined with the bus plans that Labour have already talked about then I don't see why there's a problem.
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You can tell the weather's poo poo when UKMT is arguing the toss over an article written by some bell-ended liberal Guardian twat
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Got a letter through the door from the Tories asking me to fill out a 2 page questionnaire about the NHS. The last question is good as you get to rank what resources need improving, like who would win in a fight between mental health services or obesity and diabetes. It also came with a freepost envelope, so I'm tempted to post them the letter back covered in vaseline or alternatively, put the blank form in another envelope without a stamp on so they have to pay to receive it. So much potential energy the envelope is on fire.
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Scikar posted:If hospital parking is free but there's only one bus an hour, then people who are for example visiting a friend/relative and have the choice between the bus or driving will take the car because it's far more convenient. There's no reason for the bus provider (even a publically owned one) to add more frequent buses to the route because there aren't that many people using them. That didn't bear out in my town at all (a satellite town to a big-ish city.) There was a point a few years ago, during the mornings, where there was a two hour gap between buses. Even when buses were scheduled more often, their timetable could have a gap of anywhere between 20 minutes and an hour to the next scheduled bus, so they weren't on a regular pattern. For years it was pointed out that people might use the bus if it was scheduled more often and more regularly. The bus company said it didn't make sense when you looked at car ownership and driving levels in the satellite town, until they actually tried it. With buses every half hour, at standardised times people started to use it far more often. So much so that they put them to every fifteen minutes a year or two ago, and when they did that passenger levels went up again. People use public transport if it's reliable, if they can get it without having to wait too long (both at the stop and for an amenable general wait-time) and if it's affordable. That's even before you get to the idea that a bus to a big hospital, even running at a loss, is a social good.
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justcola posted:Got a letter through the door from the Tories asking me to fill out a 2 page questionnaire about the NHS. The last question is good as you get to rank what resources need improving, like who would win in a fight between mental health services or obesity and diabetes.
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Can you tape the freepost envelope to a paving stone or cinder block and send it?
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OwlFancier posted:I mean I'd prefer "ensure patients and staff have free parking on site" as a policy rather than "redefine the KPIs for NHS hospitals to promote reasonable levels of access to parking" because I'm not a loving liberal. last time I went to hospital it was at UCLH tell me more about how you’d ensure free parking on site there? and why that’s not a stupid thing to be doing
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justcola posted:Got a letter through the door from the Tories asking me to fill out a 2 page questionnaire about the NHS. The last question is good as you get to rank what resources need improving, like who would win in a fight between mental health services or obesity and diabetes. Was that addressed to you by name? If so, what does the privacy text say? Does it give the opportunity to opt out of such post? Because the stuff about 'We're investing billions in the NHS' looks like they are trying to engage in marketing to you, but give it a fig leaf pretending that it is market research. You may want to think about submitting a subject access request demanding to know what information they hold on you - to give their volunteers and interns a bit more admin during the election period.
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when people describe lib dems and lib dem boosters as social fascists there is some truth there tbh https://twitter.com/toast_fam/status/1190488920921985024?s=19 another good example would be lib dem hysteric oz katerji cheering on the US police arresting max blumenthal. they will absolutely go along with the coup MI5 and army top brass have threatened if corbyn wins. i think the left is seriously underestimating capital's willingness to use violence.
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Cerv posted:last time I went to hospital it was at UCLH The world is not london.
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gh0stpinballa posted:when people describe lib dems and lib dem boosters as social fascists there is some truth there tbh the incredibly dumb thing is that Labour isn't even that threatening to capital - capital is grumbling but sort of willing-ish because Labour isn't actually anti-capitalism, it's the """elite""" (lol) journalists and political class who have the problem. like, for many factions of capital, a Labour government wouldn't be that bad, all things considered, and Labour higher-ups have shown willingness to compromise. just dumb as poo poo decision making all round
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ahaha https://www.theguardian.com/news/2019/nov/02/super-rich-leave-uk-labour-election-win-jeremy-corbyn-wealth-taxes
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OwlFancier posted:Disabled parking spaces are not there to make them free, they're there to make them close to the thing you're using. And also wide enough for chair access etc. This extends far beyond the public sector too. I recently got charged twice for a First day pass when paying by contactless. In retrospect I should have just called my bank and said that I didn't authorize the second transaction, which is true. Instead I went into the First travel office and tried to sort it out nicely. In the end it took a week and four loving calls totalling over an hour to sort this poo poo out. They'd have lost less money just saying "okay, you're either genuine enough or a good enough scammer to have a ticket number that matches exactly the time and date of your journey, here's your £4.20" and instead they had to spend over twice the actual cost of the ticket in employee time (I pointed that out in the final call). It's obviously designed to put people off, but it's illustrative of the mindset that it's better to spend a tenner to stop someone getting £4 than to let them have the £4 and there's a chance they don't deserve it. Cerv posted:last time I went to hospital it was at UCLH
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mila kunis posted:ahaha Labour sorting out London’s house prices.
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CGI Stardust posted:oh dear. noted aristocrat marina hyde. or marine hyda, because she probably wants to station troops all round the globe the objective reality of corbyn as a compromise candidate between the left and the middle doesn't matter really, cos capital and media "perceive" him as a threat. there is room to work with this so it's not entirely bleak, but there are plenty of wealthy, elderly fascists around who will be fully on board with a violent right wing street movement. all for nothing cos it's gonna be a hung parliament anyway.
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Guavanaut posted:"infinite demand for a free good" lot Death is free, everybody dies eventually, ergo theory proven 
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Tigey posted:Was that addressed to you by name? If so, what does the privacy text say? Does it give the opportunity to opt out of such post? It was addressed directly to me, so I put one in - ta for the reminder. Heck, we can all do it ^-^ https://www.conservatives.com/Contact
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CGI Stardust posted:oh dear. noted aristocrat marina hyde. or marine hyda, because she probably wants to station troops all round the globe the objective reality of corbyn as a compromise candidate between the left and the middle doesn't matter really, cos capital and media "perceive" him as a threat. there is room to work with this so it's not entirely bleak, but there are plenty of wealthy, elderly fascists around who will be fully on board with a violent right wing street movement. all for nothing cos it's gonna be a hung parliament anyway.
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Ms Adequate posted:I'm trans Me too. I've been lurking in the UKMT thread(s) for a long time now, even though I'm Australian. I also lurk the USPol thread because I like to know what's going on in a lot of the western world. And for all the differences between the UK, the US and Aus, we do have four major problems in common. The fash, capitalism gone wild, climate change and centrists punching down. I've been very happy to see so many people take this upcoming election seriously and talk about getting out there and canvassing and all that if they feel they are able to.
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OwlFancier posted:The world is not london. [citation needed]
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OwlFancier posted:The world is not london. The world is a cold, lonely, hopeless place, so it fits perfectly
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I decided to post the letter back just saying 'GET BREXIT DONE' as false information is the best information sometimes. Fleshwit posted:Me too. I've been lurking in the UKMT thread(s) for a long time now, even though I'm Australian. I also lurk the USPol thread because I like to know what's going on in a lot of the western world. And for all the differences between the UK, the US and Aus, we do have four major problems in common. The fash, capitalism gone wild, climate change and centrists punching down. Is there a USPol explainer anywhere? I've kept up to date until about 2 months ago as it was getting a bit repetitive but seems like things are moving along a bit? (welcome to the thread stay for awhile put your feet up have a brew)
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Lol just got an email begging me to donate to Dominic Grieve's campaign. I think it's because I signed some anti-Brexit petition years ago.
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US politics seems to be following the same trajectory as the UK in that the established right wing party is gleefully trampling over all the established political norms while the Sensible Centrist commentariat shake their heads sadly and opine that the Left is just as bad.
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Tesseraction posted:flaps has finally appeared in his referendum thread lol one the one hand having a(nother) thread devoted entirely to him is probably feeding his ego even more on the other it means he's about to be shitcanned so it's probably worth it
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Julio Cruz posted:one the one hand having a(nother) thread devoted entirely to him is probably feeding his ego even more The poll is currently 80%+ in favor of him being permabanned so I'd say it's probably curtains for p1ssflaps, barring a last-minute upset.
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Mrenda posted:That didn't bear out in my town at all (a satellite town to a big-ish city.) There was a point a few years ago, during the mornings, where there was a two hour gap between buses. Even when buses were scheduled more often, their timetable could have a gap of anywhere between 20 minutes and an hour to the next scheduled bus, so they weren't on a regular pattern. For years it was pointed out that people might use the bus if it was scheduled more often and more regularly. The bus company said it didn't make sense when you looked at car ownership and driving levels in the satellite town, until they actually tried it. With buses every half hour, at standardised times people started to use it far more often. So much so that they put them to every fifteen minutes a year or two ago, and when they did that passenger levels went up again. People use public transport if it's reliable, if they can get it without having to wait too long (both at the stop and for an amenable general wait-time) and if it's affordable. That's even before you get to the idea that a bus to a big hospital, even running at a loss, is a social good. Bus services should also have a 3 year rolling guaranteed timetable so people can PLAN. I had to go to my nearest hospital a couple of months ago. The bus from my town to that town runs every 2 hours. When I get to the hospital town there is then a bus every hour to the hospital (which of course does not tie in at all with the arrival of the bus from my town). I was able to get a lift as far as the bus station but then I had a 40 minute walk in pelting rain to get to my appointment. Luckily a relative was able to fetch me back otherwise that would have been another 40 minute walk in torrential rain. Fortunately, I was going for an ultrasound, not some kind of dread disease. I know people who have used hospital transport and they sometimes sit waiting hours upon hours for the transport to either fetch them or bring them home again. When dad was dying of cancer and getting chemo, I did some research into 'what exactly do people who are without friends and family supposed to do' (fortunately dad was not in that position) and there was no kind of financial help. One woman was paying £150 each way in a taxi to get to her chemo hospital. Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Nov 2, 2019 |
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Anybody watch Channel 4 news? I've just seen a Tory MP without a poppy. The Labour MP had one and the Green Party member had a white one but not the Tory MP. I don't care that he didn't have one I'm just amazed his people weren't throwing fistfuls of them at him before he went on camera. His none answers to the questions were amazing and his gesticulating was 100%.
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Tsaedje posted:There is not an ironicat big enough to represent the lib dems complaining that ITV's debate not including Swinson 'misrepresents the political reality'  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B0CyOAO8y0
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