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lurker2006
Jul 30, 2019
Am I the only one who finds the old man lynching Judd to be kind of off putting? However much of a piece of poo poo Judd might secretly be the brutality of how he was killed seems at odds with the ah shucks demeanor of the old man and the seemingly genuine affection Judd had for Angela.

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Toxic Fart Syndrome
Jul 2, 2006

*hits A-THREAD-5*

Only 3.6 Roentgoons per hour ... not great, not terrible.




...the meter only goes to 3.6...

Pork Pro
My guess is he took out the Cessna because, if they survived or were captured, they could name names or give up the plan...

lurker2006 posted:

Am I the only one who finds the old man lynching Judd to be kind of off putting? However much of a piece of poo poo Judd might secretly be the brutality of how he was killed seems at odds with the ah shucks demeanor of the old man and the seemingly genuine affection Judd had for Angela.

“They smile to your faaaaaaaace...”

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to

Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:

My guess is he took out the Cessna because, if they survived or were captured, they could name names or give up the plan...


“They smile to your faaaaaaaace...”


Yea, I can totally see the dude who gunned down the cop acting outside the plan, and his gently caress up caused Judd to use the TPD to take out the cell to cover his tracks. Or maybe he sacrificed the cell to bring the cops blood up so they're easier to direct for what he was planning?

I cannot deny that seeing Racist Terrorists treated the way cops treat black people going about their days is nice, but the ease they get into it and the intensity, that's scary.

And yea, Judd knew how to manipulate Angela for his own ends. As I said, he totally gaslighted her in the hospital by saying there was only one shooter at her house.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

KoRMaK posted:

we keep saying liberlism, but, is it actually liberlism? Or is is progressivism? captial L liberalism is about the free market getting to shape the world, not individual rights to people. the show seems to be more about individual liberties.

I think the critique would be that no show with content requiring that kind of warning should be allowed on television, and yet it makes money so of course the market must be served.

Another way of understanding those warnings is that entertainment in that world is much more horrific and over-the-top than our HBO titty and dragons programs, rather than that there’s an excessive nanny state.

PriorMarcus
Oct 17, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT BEING ALLERGIC TO POSITIVITY

twistedmentat posted:

I don't see how the cop response to the 7th Kav at the farmhouse was overbearing. They already knew this group was violent, just talking up and knocking on the door was not going to work. Plus they could have easily destroyed it before the Kav could respond with the Owl Ship. They didn't start deadly force until after coming under fire from the .50 cal. They were prepared but their lethal force was in reaction.

That being said, Judd being so insistent on taking down the plane, with what we know from episode 2, i wonder if he was trying to cover his tracks? He didn't want this cell to be taken alive to implicate his involvement maybe.

And I think this Klan Fucker

Is Judd's grandfather when he was younger. There's no reason for the camera to linger on him so long, as there are many other Klansmen in the scene and none get the camera focusing on them for as long as that fucker does.

That entire scene was a recreation/dramatisation of events from a TV show tho.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Did Jeremy Irons pick a tomato from a tree, take a bite, and squeeze it in his hand? What was that? Genetic engineering hint?

KoRMaK
Jul 31, 2012



Yes and disappointment it seemed. Seems he didn't want a tomato tree

beanieson
Sep 25, 2008

I had the opportunity to change literally anything about the world and I used it to get a new av
What monster doesn’t want a tomato tree :psyduck:


Do they put up the peteypedia reading materials just after the broadcast or what?

KoRMaK
Jul 31, 2012



I took it as he's trying to recreate known stuff from scratch, and he's having his servants do the lab work. And they hosed it up. And so it's another heap onto the fire of disappointment that he has towards his servants.


Yea I extrapolated a bit

TheOmegaWalrus
Feb 3, 2007

by Hand Knit
I'm partial to the idea that Ozymandias stepped into his own intrinsic field in an effort to follow Dr. Manhattan, slipped into a nether-realm, but is unable reassemble himself because of ego and vanity.

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004
I, too, love that idea. But it also reminds me a lot of the insane, way-off-base theories that people came up with for Lost.

lurker2006
Jul 30, 2019

KoRMaK posted:

I'm partial to the idea that Ozymandias stepped into his own intrinsic field in an effort to follow Dr. Manhattan, slipped into a nether-realm, but is unable reassemble himself because of ego and vanity.

I don't even think Ozy is arrogant/crazy enough to try a stunt like that himself, at least not yet. He's using his disposable clones to replicate it.

Agent355
Jul 26, 2011


What time does the new episode actually air? 9pm EST?

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug

Agent355 posted:

What time does the new episode actually air? 9pm EST?

Yep. Is it on Hulu simultaneously? I’m stuck at work, and I have my Switch with me which doesn’t have the HBO app but it does have my Hulu app, and I have HBO on there.

Toxic Fart Syndrome
Jul 2, 2006

*hits A-THREAD-5*

Only 3.6 Roentgoons per hour ... not great, not terrible.




...the meter only goes to 3.6...

Pork Pro

PriorMarcus posted:

That entire scene was a recreation/dramatisation of events from a TV show tho.

:cripes:
Pro-tip: any time you see the words "race riot" in a US history book, that's code-switch for "all of the whites got together and murdered every black person they could find." hth

LadyPictureShow
Nov 18, 2005

Success!



lurker2006 posted:

Am I the only one who finds the old man lynching Judd to be kind of off putting? However much of a piece of poo poo Judd might secretly be the brutality of how he was killed seems at odds with the ah shucks demeanor of the old man and the seemingly genuine affection Judd had for Angela.

Given that the opening scene had Will as a child watching a Bass Reeves silent film, I kinda saw it as him maybe taking a 'frontier justice' approach to it.

KoRMaK
Jul 31, 2012



lurker2006 posted:

I don't even think Ozy is arrogant/crazy enough to try a stunt like that himself, at least not yet. He's using his disposable clones to replicate it.

whoa thanks for attributing that quote to me

beanieson
Sep 25, 2008

I had the opportunity to change literally anything about the world and I used it to get a new av

KoRMaK posted:

whoa thanks for attributing that quote to me

How the gently caress does that happen

Mandrel
Sep 24, 2006

lurker2006 posted:

Am I the only one who finds the old man lynching Judd to be kind of off putting? However much of a piece of poo poo Judd might secretly be the brutality of how he was killed seems at odds with the ah shucks demeanor of the old man and the seemingly genuine affection Judd had for Angela.

I mean I definitely felt like what happened to Judd was uncomfortably brutal and tough to see given the time we’d spent with him, but were we supposed to react differently? I don’t think the intent was for anybody to go “gently caress yeah” in that moment, it’s horrifying for both the viewer and the character, regardless of what we might suspect.

I always get super sad at the Comedian’s death in Watchmen too, not because he wasn’t a piece of poo poo, but because there’s something inherently sad and helpless about such a tough old secretly sentimental son of a bitch getting beaten that thoroughly and killed that violently. It’s a normal reaction imo

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004

beanieson posted:

How the gently caress does that happen

Forums're actin' awful screwy lately.

massive spider
Dec 6, 2006

TheOmegaWalrus posted:

This little segment was really well done, but I wonder what accounts for the inconsistencies in this version of events?

John and Janey share a beer immediately before the accident, they met over a beer but those events were months apart.

John goes back to get Janey's watch, originally it was his (father's?) watch.

Dr. Manhattan doesn't spawn with the hydrogen symbol on his head, he puts it there after a PR team tells him he needs a symbol.

Janey doesn't stay for the accident, Wally Weaver did, she left because she couldn't watch.

Janey's dialogue is overwrought but Veidt is writing this so that's understandable.

I wonder what's responsible for this corruption of events. Is Dr. Manhattan's memory getting faulty?

It was Janeys watch, a fat man steps on it when they're on a date and John offers to fix it.

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

There's a very conspicuous fat man and little boy on the pier the day Manhattan was created, get it??

Anyways, maybe the play is a red herring and the cloning itself is the pertinent plot thread. Veidt trying to make duplicates so he can perpetually engineer human history from the shadows.

Klungar
Feb 12, 2008

Klungo make bessst ever video game, 'Hero Klungo Sssavesss Teh World.'

Mantis42 posted:

There's a very conspicuous fat man and little boy on the pier the day Manhattan was created, get it?

Not until you just spelled it out like this, nope. I should read that Annotated Watchmen posted recently and see what else I missed.

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug

KoRMaK posted:

I took it as he's trying to recreate known stuff from scratch, and he's having his servants do the lab work. And they hosed it up. And so it's another heap onto the fire of disappointment that he has towards his servants.


Yea I extrapolated a bit

Yeah, it's probably going to be one of those horsehoe instead of a knife things.

He's probably trying to get one of his weird clones to the point they're able to perfectly replicate things from scratch so if he does disintegrate them they can pull themselves back together. He had one of them fix that watch, he's having them memorize and go through the motions for that play, stuff like that. It's just that these clones are a bit off and would end up making Bizarro instead of Dr Manhattan.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to

Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:

:cripes:
Pro-tip: any time you see the words "race riot" in a US history book, that's code-switch for "all of the whites got together and murdered every black person they could find." hth

I prefer to call it a progrom or maybe a genocide.

Necrothatcher
Mar 26, 2005




The main thing I've picked up on my Watchmen re-read is how loving incredible Dave Gibbons' art is. It's not particularly showy but goddamn there is some mindblowingly solid visual storytelling going on in that 9-panel grid.

Kodo
Jul 20, 2003

THIS IS HOW YOUR CANDIDATE EATS CINNAMON ROLLS, KODO

Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:

:cripes:
Pro-tip: any time you see the words "race riot" in a US history book, that's code-switch for "all of the whites got together and murdered every black person they could find." hth

'Race riot' is definitely an inaccurate euphemism for how these violent chapters went down. This book really does a great job of detailing how WW1 and WW2 gave black Americans the tools needed to start fighting back against the oppression they experienced. White Americans were deadly afraid of armed black Americans and the racial violence throughout 20th century demonstrated how this fear manifested itself. It's notable that the earliest form of gun control in America was specifically designed to keep guns out of the hands of people of African descent.

KoRMaK
Jul 31, 2012



And the friction between local PD and Feds is revealed


Shows good. Goofy and good.

KoRMaK fucked around with this message at 03:24 on Nov 4, 2019

Le Saboteur
Dec 5, 2007

I hear you wish to ball, adventurer..
Jean Smart is killin' it tonight.

Big fan of the Reznor score I'm just calling the Laurie Blake Theme for now.

Le Saboteur fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Nov 4, 2019

Alkabob
May 31, 2011
I would like to speak to the manager about the socialists, please
So pretty sure Laurie would get pulled off the case for pulling that poo poo with the bomber.

Alkabob
May 31, 2011
I would like to speak to the manager about the socialists, please
So pretty sure Veidt is nuts, the game waren is a Veidt clone meant to keep him under control because Veidt knows he would just get crazier. Plus Veidt wanted someone of equal intelligence to occasionally spar with.

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


And there it is, not that it was ever in doubt

Immanentized
Mar 17, 2009
That burial scene was ridiculous, and not in a good way.

KoRMaK
Jul 31, 2012



Oh and there it is.

RecoomesSexyRear
Jul 18, 2003

Jeremy Irons is so good in this it warms my heart.

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


loving hell, Jean Smart

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

That Rorschach’s Journal cover is 100% based on the cover of the Turner Diaries.

KoRMaK
Jul 31, 2012



"Well, when my dad died they found a secret compartment. Soooo, now I always check"


"Maybe you guys had an affair, which wouldn't make any sense cuz you're husband's loving hot"

Laurie hates rich vigilantes and has dedicated her job to seeking them out and destroying them because she despises what Adrian, with all his wealth, did and got away with.


Arist posted:

loving hell, Jean Smart

At every turn her character matches expectations and then accelerates the story.

saw next weeks preview and gently caress this I can't wait a week. things are moving, don't stop now. wtf is Adrian building, does he have a portal or something to space?

KoRMaK fucked around with this message at 04:00 on Nov 4, 2019

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


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KoRMaK
Jul 31, 2012



Good joke

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