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What game should i play if i want to be a wizard in modern times that maybe shoots fireballs at vampires, but also have rules that i can explain to people i want to play with without immediately and suddenly turning them off from the system for 100% of all time
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ilikedirt posted:What game should i play if i want to be a wizard in modern times that maybe shoots fireballs at vampires, but also have rules that i can explain to people i want to play with without immediately and suddenly turning them off from the system for 100% of all time
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Nov 3, 2019 05:19
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PHIZ KALIFA posted:predatory space parasite vampire that actually does something ideologically novel with the archetype: NNOOOOO, JAIL FOR MOTHER, JAIL FOR ONE THOUSAND YEARS Part of the problem with this was that it wasn’t actually ideologically novel, it just ripped off the then-current Necroscope series.
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Nov 3, 2019 05:19
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ilikedirt posted:What game should i play if i want to be a wizard in modern times that maybe shoots fireballs at vampires, but also have rules that i can explain to people i want to play with without immediately and suddenly turning them off from the system for 100% of all time d20 Modern! Which is a fun answer because it satisfies the question while also being bad.
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Nov 3, 2019 05:20
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ulmont posted:Part of the problem with this was that it wasn’t actually ideologically novel, it just ripped off the then-current Necroscope series. Right, being a ripoff and derivative is how you know it's an Official White Wolf Product (TM.)
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Nov 3, 2019 06:01
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ilikedirt posted:What game should i play if i want to be a wizard in modern times that maybe shoots fireballs at vampires, but also have rules that i can explain to people i want to play with without immediately and suddenly turning them off from the system for 100% of all time Monte Cook’s World of Darkness
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Nov 3, 2019 06:12
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I'll always laugh at the Salubri being inspired by 3x3 Eyes of all things.
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Nov 3, 2019 06:32
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there are ambiguities in all things but caine seriously has like 99% of vampire traits on lock come on here
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Nov 3, 2019 13:59
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Somebody was asking after LA By Night and while it's not quite the same, there IS B. Dave Walters running 'Long Beach By Night' which might be enough to tide one over. https://www.twitch.tv/queuetimes/videos
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Nov 3, 2019 14:14
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Dawgstar posted:Somebody was asking after LA By Night and while it's not quite the same, there IS B. Dave Walters running 'Long Beach By Night' which might be enough to tide one over. Oh nice! I listened to an interview with B. Dave Walters a while ago and he seems like a genuinely cool dude so I'd be interested in seeing him as an ST. I think it was on Darker Days Radio? I don't remember off hand but if I can find it again I'll share a link.
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Nov 3, 2019 15:41
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"Hey Caine, what are you exactly?" "A miserable rear end in a top hat." "Well there you go.
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Nov 3, 2019 17:02
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There's a fun scene in Greg Stolze's Demon: The Fallen trilogy where a demon meets a vampire at a diner and they both think the other's a myth. "Caine? Really?"
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Nov 3, 2019 17:59
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......that's odd, as the First Murderer is the turning point of the entire conflict between angels and demons, and Caine is a Known Entity in Demon. When they hear tell of an entire race of blood sucking atrocities that claim descent from him the general response is "Yeah that sounds about right, gently caress that guy".
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Nov 3, 2019 18:01
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Nov 3, 2019 19:16
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Hey, don't steal my Malkavian character concept! ...actually, go ahead and steal it, it doesn't look like I'm ever gonna get to play in a Masquerade game again.
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Nov 3, 2019 22:30
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Arivia posted:Monte Cook’s World of Darkness Dont you mean invisible sun
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Nov 4, 2019 02:38
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MonsieurChoc posted:Hey, don't steal my Malkavian character concept! My best friend has decided that this is going to be part of his Malkavian character. He has never played Vampire before and he came up with a Malkavian who is second in command of a Flatliners style blood cult who is also obsessed with the occult and now that I've mentioned that the Caine/Antideluvian story is considered a myth for the most part in our game, he's decided to add Caine conspiracy theorist to things. This is also the game where the other two players are a gay first nation/African American Toredor who is insulted that anyone would suggest that her feeding style (Siren) is something new and that she's always been a slut (her description) and is kind of a bitter Brujah trapped in a Toredor body, along with a Carna Tremere from Europe who runs an occult book store in SF and does Tremere poo poo because that's what Tremere do. She also is using a young Fran Drescher as her character portrait and the jury is still out if she's going to do the voice or not.  Our first session is loosely scheduled for this weekend or next and it's going to be interesting.
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Nov 4, 2019 02:48
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ilikedirt posted:Dont you mean invisible sun Sure, that too.
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Nov 4, 2019 02:57
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joylessdivision posted:My best friend has decided that this is going to be part of his Malkavian character. Oh man, sounds like it's gonna be a blast. My own take was to craft a conspiracy theory that had Caine be Aliens and the Antedeluvians (and their descendants) be an Alien bioweapon.
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Nov 4, 2019 02:58
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Don't be silly, everyone knows Caine-the-Vampire is a curse on Caine-the-Human as an emblem of humanity as a whole, punishing us for our greed, arrogance, and pride.
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Nov 4, 2019 03:12
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MonsieurChoc posted:Oh man, sounds like it's gonna be a blast. Oh that would be neat. I have no idea what he's cooking up but I've got copies of The Book of Nod and Revelations of the Dark Mother coming from Drivethrurpg soon because I wanted to sprinkle in some of my own weird Caine/Lilith cults into things. On top of the other weird poo poo I'm pulling in from the other game lines and twisting into my own strangeness. I've got the first session plotted out to get the group introduced and a stack of plot hooks for them to ponder and chase, so after the first session I'll do a full write up. I'm excited and nervous as hell because this is my first time running Vampire after DM 4th edition D&D like....7 or 8 years ago but the players are all new and super excited. We had a Google hangout a couple weeks ago to talk about expectations and such that went really well, so I think this group is going to be a lot of fun. I fully expect them to cause all kinds of chaos throughout the Bay Area and likely draw the ire of the new Cam prince of SF. But what kind of Anarchs would they be if they didn't?
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Nov 4, 2019 03:19
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joylessdivision posted:Oh that would be neat. I have no idea what he's cooking up but I've got copies of The Book of Nod and Revelations of the Dark Mother coming from Drivethrurpg soon because I wanted to sprinkle in some of my own weird Caine/Lilith cults into things. If you wanna get really weird, read TBoN, RotDM, Erciyes Fragments and Days of Fire as one book. It's a bit time consuming but the basic process is to take each verse (dividing them into chapters as needed in the case of RotDM, matching them by approximate sequence of events but also keeping broadly similar chunks together - e.g. all 4 contain a Genesis analogue at the start) and lay them out side by side in a table. You get really quite poetic results, like so: I dream of the First Times The longest memory I speak of the First Times The Oldest Father I sing of the First Times And the dawn of Darkness Once, all was silence and stillness. This was the time of nothing, when the Ancient One rested Its eyes and moved not. Every 55,555 years, the Ancient One breaks Its rest and opens Its eyes, to see what was not there before. Each 55,555 years, It closes Its eyes and all becomes silence and stillness again. At first the Angels of The One Giver Numbered nine million and nine thousand and nine hundred and nine. Each Angel had a place. Each place had an Angel. All was peace. All was governed. In Nod, where the light of Paradise Lit up the night sky And the tears of our parents wet the ground Each of us, in our way, Set about to live And take our sustenance from the land Then the Ancient One opened its eyes for the 333rd time, and a bolt of Light split the darkness. Thence came [Jehovah] and the other Shining Ones. To delight the eyes of the Ancient One, they spoke great Words and sang great Songs, And thence wove the world into being. He had the Lord’s own sanctity He had the Lord’s own purity And when he showed that he had the Lord’s spirit as well, Then The One Giver gave Her greatest gift. To Her Angels She gave the gift that they might give as She had. They gave the best of themselves. A gift for the world. A gift for the Giver. A gift for each other. This gift was Woman and Man.
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Nov 4, 2019 03:42
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Out of curiosity, is anyone here a woman or if you participate in games a lot, do you see many women? I've always been the rather antisocial type of nerd but back when GamerGate, Sad Puppies, ComicsGate, etc. were raging, a lot nerd circles were exposed as horrible dens of misogyny. This came to mind because I really want my GF to play Bloodlines. She loves vampires and video games and this game rules. But you cannot help but notice that all the hookers are women or that Jeanette exists or that Heather is a girl or the enlarge boobs code or that most of the popular mods are for female PC's. I don't have a problem with any of this - I play a lady vampire - and nobody recommends Bloodlines because of any of this. We love it because of its music and atmosphere and writing. At the same time, the presence of all these things indicate they were pandering to a straight male audience. Again, no problem with that but it made me wonder just how many women are in the WoD fandom? I only know the YouTuber Outstar who is a lady and very cool.
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Nov 4, 2019 12:27
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As a lesbian who loves Bloodlines and showed my wife it and she also loved it until she hit a progression breaking bug in the Malkavian manor, just rec it. Game good. Unless she’s given you specific reason to think she’d have a problem with the sexualization, of course.
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Nov 4, 2019 13:22
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NikkolasKing posted:This came to mind because I really want my GF to play Bloodlines. She loves vampires and video games and this game rules. But you cannot help but notice that all the hookers are women or that Jeanette exists or that Heather is a girl or the enlarge boobs code or that most of the popular mods are for female PC's. I don't have a problem with any of this - I play a lady vampire - and nobody recommends Bloodlines because of any of this. We love it because of its music and atmosphere and writing. At the same time, the presence of all these things indicate they were pandering to a straight male audience. Again, no problem with that but it made me wonder just how many women are in the WoD fandom? Lots. Masquerade is credited for for getting a lot of women into the hobby. Did women play RPGs before? Of course, but Vampire was the first time I'd see women buying books on their own regularly because they were super into it. If you don't think Bloodlines' sexualization will turn off your girlfriend, have at it. People still come up to Grey Griffin now and then cosplaying as Jeannette. I think people don't recommend it is because it looks increasingly dated and you need a patch to make it anything like a finished game, and even if you have said patch the controls are still jank and you can find out your build is pretty useless the tougher things get. For WoD fans who've never played it, it can be a delight but I don't think I'd ever recommend it to people who just dig CRPGs. Dawgstar fucked around with this message at 13:41 on Nov 4, 2019 |
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Dawgstar posted:Lots. Masquerade is credited for for getting a lot of women into the hobby. Did women play RPGs before? Of course, but Vampire was the first time I'd see women buying books on their own regularly because they were super into it. Dawgstar posted:Lots. Masquerade is credited for for getting a lot of women into the hobby. Did women play RPGs before? Of course, but Vampire was the first time I'd see women buying books on their own regularly because they were super into it. Yeah she would have no problem with sexualization. I just wondered how many women actually like the game and if the WoD fandom was a boys' club. Glad to hear it's nice and diverse. Even if the makers intended Bloodlines to be marketed towards straight dudes that's just another way in which creator intent often means very little once the work is out there. People will do and think what they want and being part of a desired or neglected demographic won't stop them.
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Nov 4, 2019 13:54
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Until very recently, World of Darkness games were the only thing I have ever known women to really play and be excited about. Not that women didn't play d&d ever 20 years ago, but even then games of just women playing vampire or mage was a thing locally. I am glad in the increasing diverse player base these days, but WoD has always been way ahead of that curve.
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Nov 4, 2019 14:34
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NikkolasKing posted:Out of curiosity, is anyone here a woman or if you participate in games a lot, do you see many women? Woman here. When I first got into late middle school not a single one of my male friends had heard about it so at the time I was under the impression it was more a girl thing than say D&D.
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Nov 4, 2019 14:52
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My entire regular WoD group are women.
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Nov 4, 2019 14:55
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ilikedirt posted:What game should i play if i want to be a wizard in modern times that maybe shoots fireballs at vampires, but also have rules that i can explain to people i want to play with without immediately and suddenly turning them off from the system for 100% of all time I'm a big fan of the dresden files fate game.
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Nov 4, 2019 15:40
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Magnusth posted:I'm a big fan of the dresden files fate game. I came here to recommend Dresden Files Accelerated, actually. The original game from 9 years ago is an interesting artifact and step on the road from Spirit of the Century to Fate Core, but if the goal is to "have rules that i can explain to people i want to play with without immediately and suddenly turning them off from the system for 100% of all time," well... YMMV, but my attempt to run a game of the original Dresden Files RPG fizzled after the first session when it took about 20 minutes to figure out the modifiers for a wizard casting fireball. DFA is a nice, streamlined take on kitchen-sink urban fantasy, and if the Dresden Files setting doesn't appeal to you it's really easy to strip out and/or kitbash the pieces into whatever form you prefer.
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Nov 4, 2019 15:59
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Dresden Files is, i think, the only fantasy series in history that setup a sex scene with a hot big boobed 18 year old with pierced nips and then immediately dump a jug of cold water on it, so props for that.
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Nov 4, 2019 16:53
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PHIZ KALIFA posted:Dresden Files is, i think, the only fantasy series in history that setup a sex scene with a hot big boobed 18 year old with pierced nips and then immediately dump a jug of cold water on it, so props for that. The Dresden Files books are... problematic to say the least (the fact that the scene in question ends with "nope, not having sex" really doesn't make up for how lecherous the lead-up is, and in general the series is pretty lousy with regard to its female characters. And the less said about the non-white members of the high council of wizards the better). I read them back when I was much younger and stupider, and even I noped out pretty hard when Harry became the Winter Knight, which brought out the "darkest aspects of his personality" which mainly turned out to be him constantly thinking about how easy it would be to rape the women around him. (And while it's not nearly on the same level, the term "the Nevernever" for the realm wot monsters come from is just incredibly dumb.) Fortunately, like I said, there's enough kitchen-sink urban fantasy stuff in the RPG to kitbash into something else. Or just, y'know, not be a huge creepo if you do use the Dresden Files setting.
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Nov 4, 2019 17:30
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Monsters come from rural Australia? Checks out.
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Nov 4, 2019 17:39
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Loomer posted:Monsters come from rural Australia? I was unaware that that was a term for the Outback. I kind of hate it a little less now.
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Nov 4, 2019 17:43
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GimpInBlack posted:The Dresden Files books are... problematic to say the least (the fact that the scene in question ends with "nope, not having sex" really doesn't make up for how lecherous the lead-up is, and in general the series is pretty lousy with regard to its female characters. And the less said about the non-white members of the high council of wizards the better). I read them back when I was much younger and stupider, and even I noped out pretty hard when Harry became the Winter Knight, which brought out the "darkest aspects of his personality" which mainly turned out to be him constantly thinking about how easy it would be to rape the women around him. tbf i gave up after getting to the fifth book and somehow managing to read it twice without realizing i had just finished reading it. does the game have mechanics for how beat down Harry always managed to get by about the halfway point? because that got repetitive.
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Nov 4, 2019 18:37
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PHIZ KALIFA posted:tbf i gave up after getting to the fifth book and somehow managing to read it twice without realizing i had just finished reading it. does the game have mechanics for how beat down Harry always managed to get by about the halfway point? because that got repetitive. It does, actually. In essence, Harry spends the first half of the book building up FATE points and taking complications, then burns through it all at the end.
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Nov 4, 2019 18:43
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GimpInBlack posted:The Dresden Files books are... problematic to say the least (the fact that the scene in question ends with "nope, not having sex" really doesn't make up for how lecherous the lead-up is, and in general the series is pretty lousy with regard to its female characters. And the less said about the non-white members of the high council of wizards the better). I read them back when I was much younger and stupider, and even I noped out pretty hard when Harry became the Winter Knight, which brought out the "darkest aspects of his personality" which mainly turned out to be him constantly thinking about how easy it would be to rape the women around him. What I remember is that for all it's "everything is real" urban fantasy setting, Christianity did seem to be the top dog. I kept thinking one of the holy swords should be Zulfikar.
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I ride bikes all day posted:It does, actually. In essence, Harry spends the first half of the book building up FATE points and taking complications, then burns through it all at the end. Honestly, given the formulaic hard-boiled detective novel structure of all of the Dresden Files books, Technoir would be a better system than Fate. MonsieurChoc posted:What I remember is that for all it's "everything is real" urban fantasy setting, Christianity did seem to be the top dog. Eh... from what I recall, the God of Abraham is present and a major power player, but not the be-all and end-all. The Swords of the Cross are ostensibly powered by the nails from the Crucifixion, but every time they turn up the books do go out of their way to say the Swords respond to goodness and faith in something that aims for the betterment of humanity that doesn't have to be Jesus. Plus you've got Odin and other mythological figures running around; all in all, the vibe I got was more one of " all gods talk themselves up as the real power of the universe" than "the Ancient of Days is the real, true, supreme deity." But I could very well be misremembering, it's been a long time since I read the books. GimpInBlack fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Nov 4, 2019 |
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A lot of 90s urban fantasy (Vampire/WoD included!) had a theoretically huge kitchen sink with Odin and whatnot (it’s always Odin, because he’s slightly more indie than Zeus) but the Abrahamic Monotheistic God was hanging around somewhere being the creator of things and generally benevolent. Gaiman tended to have that somewhere in the background.
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