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There's rumours that charming person known as Steve Bannon is eyeing up the Telegraph. https://www.cityam.com/ex-donald-trump-strategist-steve-bannon-considers-daily-telegraph-purchase/
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Angepain posted:As a general heads-up for people looking for old declarations, the full election night coverages for I think every year is findable on youtube, so coupled with the expected declaration times for East Dunbartonshire I found this. It has some more of the lead-in, though it still cuts off at the same time. Haha fantastic, thank you. Inject that poo poo directly into my veins. Hoping so much for a sequel.
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jabby posted:Did you see the survey question the graph was produced from? Beefeater1980 posted:Wait, I’m just catching up on this magnificent discussion but you are saying that Bolivia no longer exports coca illegally at all? Because otherwise they have money to launder. I don't believe that production has ended entirely, but given the documentation for the 22,000 hectares of coca in Bolivia it's roughly about 90-95% going into other markets, like tea or flour or for chewing. Compared to 2009, when there were 30,900 hectares and about 33% was going to cocaine production either that's proof that it's working or the cocalero federations are very good at forging receipts. The traffickers are operating in a completely different part of the country to the growers now. Of course the US monitors "cocaine producing capacity" rather than actual production so Bolivia is marked as pretty high because of all those plants going into tea.
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This is ... actually, probably good for Corbyn? 'Look at both these SpAds, trying to ram through a hard brexit. Maybe Corbyn isn't secretly a leaver after all.' E: Uber Eats delivers Nandos to allotments now? But what about the sullen underclass trapped in the gig economy Jeremeny! 
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Nov 3, 2019 20:35
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jabby posted:Did you see the survey question the graph was produced from? The lib dems couldn't even win in a poll where they were the only option other than Conservatives. Yikes. I'd like to see the results of that constituency for the same question but Con vs Labour.
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Nov 3, 2019 20:36
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Why does cummings always look like a raccoon that you've disturbed ferreting through your bin? Like every single photograph of him is that side on look and he's always staring at the camera like he's worried it's going to kill him.
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E: ^^^^because he basically is that exact thing & he loving should beblunt posted:I'd like to see the results of that constituency for the same question but Con vs Labour.
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Rarity posted:I do have PMs. Alternatively jump into the discord and message me on there Cheers, I shall give you a prod tomorrow when I'm not phone posting! (I'm old and keep forgetting that Discord is a thing, let alone that there's a UKMT-specific one...)
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Nov 3, 2019 20:47
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Raccoons are adorable little angels. Please do not compare them to cummies.
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OwlFancier posted:Why does cummings always look like a raccoon that you've disturbed ferreting through your bin?
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Nov 3, 2019 20:48
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What is the deal with Milne? From the media I understand he's a Stalinist brexiteer who whispers in old king Corbyn's ear like wormtongue. How much of that is true? I'm pretty sure he's probably not actually a Stalinist, but he definitely seems to be pro-Brexit?
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marktheando posted:What is the deal with Milne? From the media I understand he's a Stalinist brexiteer who whispers in old king Corbyn's ear like wormtongue. Not wanting Labour to go full Remain doesn't mean he's pro-Brexit. He is an election adviser after all, and as much as I sympathise with everyone who wants Labour to come down hard on the side of Remain it's really difficult to see how that leads to a majority government.
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Nov 3, 2019 20:50
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Or a practical future for the country, if you finish brexit either way by government fiat you're setting the stage for a serious lost cause faction for years to come. Which you'll have anyway, sure, but I think a referendum will help damp it a bit.
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marktheando posted:What is the deal with Milne? From the media I understand he's a Stalinist brexiteer who whispers in old king Corbyn's ear like wormtongue. He's a convenient scapegoat to make Corbyn look powerless to a behind-the-scenes manipulator, just like Dom Cummies is.
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I honestly think the strategic ambiguity has been to avoid letting the Conservatives become the Leave party rather than trying to squabble over the Remain minority. it’s been damaging to the party but giving the Tories a clear lane to a punchy rerun of the referendum and strong majority would be disastrous for the country.
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https://twitter.com/l_a_dunn/status/1191002229781794818 When's the political ad ban kick in?
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Guavanaut posted:Thanks, this is good. I like 'Capitalcene' better than Plantationocene, but I think that might only cover the bit from the 1600s through to today. I'd perhaps go one further and call it the Civitacene, because the big change in our interaction with nature that came up with us alongside agriculture and developed as it did is the change from nomadism to the idea of fixed territory that is 'ours'. The modern idea of the sovereign nation-state may be post-Westphalian, but the idea of a 'state' in general took root when we first broke the soil at Nippur. OwlFancier posted:If you like silly key reuse then I reccomend Deviant Ollam's presentations on youtube on the subject. jabby posted:Did you see the survey question the graph was produced from? 
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CGI Stardust posted:the standard taxi-cab key being used for the entire set of police force cruisers is just hilarious. and his elevator vids are fantastic too Frankly the entire idea of a fleet key for the loving police cars in a country where the cops are gun toting lunatics seems insane.
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CGI Stardust posted:eh, if you're making the terrible mistake of talking to a LD, it's useful to know the kind of delusion they're under; belief is harder to puncture. Also it'll determine LD strategy - if they genuinely believe it, they'll have a harder time shifting to other narratives even when that one gets countered or otherwise stops working. Agreed. I just don't envy your journey into the depths of the Lib Dem mind  BIRDIES! 
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Endjinneer posted:I think you could do quite a nice online campaign around this, by sharing pictures of [poo poo thing near you] and asking the rhetorical question- "Would you vote conservative for another 5 years of this?". Politics seems abstract until you explain it in terms of potholes in the road, queues in the hospital and rough sleepers. Once the manifesto comes out you can start connecting each [poo poo thing near you] to a labour policy that'll fix it. Good news! https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1190918306171101184 There are surprisingly few problems that are unique to one area, or if they are can't be tied back to Tories at Westminster, particularly local authority, NHS and police (yeah yeah) cuts. Sometimes the national problems have unique local flavours but national policies can still be localised. For example, the expected crackdown on AirBnB, an undoubtedly good national policy but not near the top of most people's priorities, is going to go down gangbusters in Two Cities, where it really is hollowing out communities.
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marktheando posted:What is the deal with Milne? From the media I understand he's a Stalinist brexiteer who whispers in old king Corbyn's ear like wormtongue. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/nov/11/lessons-of-1989-new-alternative There's a weird obsession with GDR apologia in a certain strand of the UK left still... it's not enough for the new new left to fight neoliberalism and the new right, it must also refight and vindicate the wars of the old left against the old right It doesn't seem as popular as it used to be - Corbynmania has definitely erased it for the past several years - but it pops up every now and then, even here ITT
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Angepain posted:The real question is, what is going to happen to pissflaps, and the answer is this: Bummer. I miss flaps. In other news, anyone familiar with the 'a different bias' YouTube channel? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RL_ZFZqPDgQ This guy should be in the OP.
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jiggerypokery posted:Bummer. I miss flaps. You should see your GP for a referral to a mental health specialist for that. (It's okay, my brain is broken, I'm allowed to make this joke)
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I would see my gp, but Corbyn is unelectable
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OwlFancier posted:Frankly the entire idea of a fleet key for the loving police cars in a country where the cops are gun toting lunatics seems insane. (Allegedly!) all Met Armed Response Vehicles have keyed-alike boots and gun lockers in said boots, the idea being in a North Hollywood-style shootout that they don't need to find their way back to their own car to rearm or break out the big guns - this is said to be why they have the little yellow identifier dots on the rear window. Of course the Met have never actually been involved in anything like North Hollywood (and their record of being involved in shootings where the other side even has the ability to shoot back is... not good) but man you can imagine the Michael Mann wet dream meetings that went into setting that policy.
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CoolCab posted:I honestly think the strategic ambiguity has been to avoid letting the Conservatives become the Leave party rather than trying to squabble over the Remain minority. it’s been damaging to the party but giving the Tories a clear lane to a punchy rerun of the referendum and strong majority would be disastrous for the country.
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As if I needed another reason not to go to london!
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goddamnedtwisto posted:For example, the expected crackdown on AirBnB, an undoubtedly good national policy but not near the top of most people's priorities, is going to go down gangbusters in Two Cities, where it really is hollowing out communities. ...Minneapolis-St Paul?
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jiggerypokery posted:Bummer. I miss flaps.
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CoolCab posted:I honestly think the strategic ambiguity has been to avoid letting the Conservatives become the Leave party rather than trying to squabble over the Remain minority. it’s been damaging to the party but giving the Tories a clear lane to a punchy rerun of the referendum and strong majority would be disastrous for the country. The next five weeks will tell whether the strategy has worked or not. Trying to avoid becoming the Remain party was always going to hurt Labour in the polls, but pay off when people are finally faced with a stark choice of them or the Tories. It all comes down to how much we can squeeze the Lib Dem vote without losing our Brexiteers.
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Tories gonna Tory https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1191036106575405057?s=21
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CGI Stardust posted:the bit that's stuck with me most so far is the way the language of Anthropocene is mistakenly taken to mean (or carries the meaning of) climate change etc. caused by the general mode of "humans being", and that bounding possibilities for change, compared to the comparative liberation of it being caused by a specific mode of being (extractivism) rooted in Enlightenment rationality and ontology, which offers more scope for "outsideness" ronya posted:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/nov/11/lessons-of-1989-new-alternative
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Noxville posted:Tories gonna Tory
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Borrovan posted:everyone around Gorseinon & Gowerton (only population centres)
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feedmegin posted:...Minneapolis-St Paul? I mean yeah it's probably loving poo poo up there too but this is Cities of London and Westminster, where I'm volunteering for canvassing wherever possible because a) we're only a few thousand votes off unseating Mark "I acted on instinct to assault a completely peaceful woman because she might have been a heavily armed terrorist, not because she was loving up my lovely posh meal with all my posh mates" Field, b) Chuka is the LD candidate, c) it's only 20 minutes on the Tube and there's nice pubs in the area, d) Chuka is the LD candidate, and e) Chuka is the LD candidate. Actually have we talked about this? It really doesn't make sense for Chuka to be standing in Two Cities. The LDs are a really distant third and the really weird demographics of the area (almost 50/50 split between really lovely council estates around Victoria and really loving expensive Sloanes and City boys pads) means there's basically no natural base for them, even by London's standards. There are much closer races he could be involved in and you'd think his ego wouldn't let him go to a seat where he knew he'd be third (which is why he's not trying to retain his seat in Streatham despite claiming that the 20-odd thousand majority he had there was purely because of his own charm). As far as I can tell there are two possibilities here - either he's so loving hated by the LDs that they just gave him an important-sounding seat to lose so they could be rid of him, or he actually believes their bullshit bar graphs and thinks that he has a chance of quadrupling their vote from 2017. e: Actually even their bullshit bar graphs don't make sense as a theory - the seat was heavily Remain and did go LD in the Euros, but so did Streatham, and to an even greater extent.
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Pablo Bluth posted:There's rumours that charming person known as Steve Bannon is eyeing up the Telegraph. Where's Bannon getting the cash for that though?
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Vitamin P posted:Where's Bannon getting the cash for that though? He has Seinfeld Money.
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Updated that 5000 vote difference spreadsheet in the OP to include Scotland, Wales and NI. I chose the approx 5000 vote ones, as they're the ones I feel most likely to have the greatest chance of change. And also included Johnson and Swinson's seats on there, even though they're just outside of the range. Biggest pattern in Scotland was the complete collapse of the SNP vote - just massive 10K drops everywhere. LAB and CON vote mostly remained static, with +1000 votes, here and there, but it was enough to claim some seats. In Wales vote share in general went up across LAB and CON. Plaid Cymru was mostly static. And in NI, the big changes were mostly between Sinn Féin and DUP.
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Guavanaut posted:Yeah, but it did mention Capitalcene in the same terms (and that some people didn't like it), it's not that capitalism is doing this absent humanity, or that switching to industrialized socialism would magically fix the environment, but that capitalism is a way of organizing the relations between humans and the rest of nature, and some people don't like being told that (but it's true, and as or more true to ideological extractivism than the paradigm of the plantation). As is true with 'the state', as a mechanism of organized relations and hierarchies that enable capitalism to capital and feudalism to feudal. Which doesn't mean 'smash states = perfect libertopia', just that the state as an ideological construct fits more to what they're nodding towards in the form of the Plantation than the generic Anthropos. Think I will go with the scientists on this one. if there are 6 billion humans then those humans get to determine what the environment is. This remains unchanged even if we do determine that that way should be ‘exactly as it was when we got here’. The only way to leave the anthropocene would be to break the environment in such a way humans are no longer a viable mass population species.
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