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I think it's because I'm used to "X that owns corporation Y earns Z per day" but not newspaper cartoonists that do single panels. I am not saying X that owns Y is more deserving.
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WhatEvil posted:Ah OK. i don't know uk political cartoonists very well, i assumed the cartoonist in question was one of those who do a lot of scatological caricatures. i'm very disappointed
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^^^ [e]: Matt's one of the poo poo ones. Not the most racist (that belongs to - now retired - Mac of the Daily Mail), and on about the same artist level as Paul Thomas, who draws literally everyone as thumb people and gets another artist to do caricatures - though at least Thomas paints in colour (although he still has really bad views). It's Martin Rowson and Steven Bell who do the great scatalogical grotesques. Sanitary Naptime posted:Half seven onwards I'm always on the wrong shift.  If can think of any suggestions, will post them in the discord. WhatEvil posted:https://twitter.com/MattCartoonist/status/1189594345671974912?s=20 I want to know what blackmail Matt has on people to be given that much for his complete loving trash cartoons. You could literally replace the text with one from any random one of his other cartoons, and it makes as much sense - that's how loving lazy his poo poo is. Maybe he's beat us to the punch, and just has a random text generator that attaches it to one of his older drawings. Pesky Splinter fucked around with this message at 01:42 on Nov 4, 2019 |
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Nov 4, 2019 01:35
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Pesky Splinter posted:I'm always on the wrong shift. Most of his cartoons also work with the various New Yorker cartoon formulas - replace the text with "Get a load of this rear end in a top hat" or "Ok boomer" and they're at least as funny, and normally considerably funnier, than the originals.
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bump_fn posted:no parliawint is good Yes I meant the method, like he totally has a big folder of doodles and he just grabs one every time and slaps a random vaguely contemporarily relevant quote on it
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bump_fn posted:no parliawint is good no, parliawint is good
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To produce a picture like that could take up to two hours. There's little technical flexes he does, mainly having multiple subjects in a frame in consistent perspective, and managing to have his unusual face drawing technique be legible at numerous angles. That two hours is assuming he's only producing one picture, and not doing the photographer's strategy of making a shitload of images to only submit the best one. It's not worth £29k a month but it's definitely not poo poo. The man's tidiness, watercolouring and linework are things I am envious of.
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It's really quite amazing that the Telegraph is still taken so seriously when it has a piddling readership of 385,000. Compare that to the 2.5 million who watched Labour's first campaign video on Twitter alone, within the first 24 hours.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Most of his cartoons also work with the various New Yorker cartoon formulas - replace the text with "Get a load of this rear end in a top hat" or "Ok boomer" and they're at least as funny, and normally considerably funnier, than the originals. Hey, it works!  Azza Bamboo posted:To produce a picture like that could take up to two hours. There's little technical flexes he does, mainly having multiple subjects in a frame in consistent perspective, and managing to have his unusual face drawing technique be legible at numerous angles. That two hours is assuming he's only producing one picture, and not doing the photographer's strategy of making a shitload of images to only submit the best one. It's not worth £29k a month but it's definitely not poo poo. The man's tidiness, watercolouring and linework are things I am envious of. Yeah, I mean, on a technical level, the art is consistent, clean, simple, and easy to read. But it is soooo loving sterile. And way too much of it is "Two people with identical faces walking on a diagonal with open mouths with a big billboard with text on it". [e]: Also this; your comics and cartoons have actually made me laugh. VVV Pesky Splinter fucked around with this message at 02:20 on Nov 4, 2019 |
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Azza Bamboo posted:To produce a picture like that could take up to two hours. There's little technical flexes he does, mainly having multiple subjects in a frame in consistent perspective, and managing to have his unusual face drawing technique be legible at numerous angles. That two hours is assuming he's only producing one picture, and not doing the photographer's strategy of making a shitload of images to only submit the best one. It's not worth £29k a month but it's definitely not poo poo. The man's tidiness, watercolouring and linework are things I am envious of. I appreciate that it is a matter of artistic skill and respect, but I want to make extremely clear to you that you are vastly better than Matt is in every regard, and in a just world, if he's being paid 29 large a month, you would rightly earn enough to be the world's first defensible billionaire.
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Azza Bamboo posted:To produce a picture like that could take up to two hours. There's little technical flexes he does, mainly having multiple subjects in a frame in consistent perspective, and managing to have his unusual face drawing technique be legible at numerous angles. That two hours is assuming he's only producing one picture, and not doing the photographer's strategy of making a shitload of images to only submit the best one. It's not worth £29k a month but it's definitely not poo poo. The man's tidiness, watercolouring and linework are things I am envious of. His drawing isn't terrible but it's also just completely devoid of any imagination, insight or character. Fake edit ^ Yeah, sterile is a good word for it. Just when you compare his art etc. to somebody like John Cullen: https://twitter.com/nellucnhoj/status/1061623788960473089?s=20 Or his imagination, character and wit to somebody like, well, Azza Bamboo, it's utterly flabbergasting that he makes as much as he does.
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Jose posted:gove admitting what we've known all along Going to be honest, Michael Gove demanding Big Boy Bastani swear loyalty to Israel after he got caught out posting a right wing twitter account posing as a Labour member isn't something I expected in the first week of campaigning.
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Re mattchat, isn’t it good that a worker owns the fruits of his own labour instead of a capitalist? Of course, if you apply that rule strictly then investment bankers are good because they basically defraud capital owners. E: Azza B, do you have an online gallery? I wanted to share your Lib Dem bird landing in the Tory tree cartoon from before but could not find it. Beefeater1980 fucked around with this message at 03:24 on Nov 4, 2019 |
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Most of his cartoons also work with the various New Yorker cartoon formulas - replace the text with "Get a load of this rear end in a top hat" or "Ok boomer" and they're at least as funny, and normally considerably funnier, than the originals.  It reminds me of a discussion yeats ago in the Ctrl-Alt-Del thread years ago - someone posted a CAD comic with the text removed and asked if you could guess what the characters were doing, and then did the same with a few others like Penny Arcade, PvP and VGCats. At least with VGCats and PA, the characters facial expressions and poses expressed what they were saying, but with CAD you had no idea because it was all expressionless poo poo. The same thing is happening here. There's nothing interesting or visually unique going on.
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Beefeater1980 posted:Re mattchat, isn’t it good that a worker owns the fruits of his own labour instead of a capitalist? Well here's this one: https://twitter.com/AzzaBamboo/status/1179080831601643521?s=20
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Pesky Splinter posted:I want to know what blackmail Matt has on people to be given that much for his complete loving trash cartoons. -The artwork is simple, clean, and easy to quickly parse, both in style and subject, with a comfortable familiarity for long-time readers -Compare that to busyness or scary abstractness of Rowson, Squires et al, which will likely confuse and put them off with its creative visuals/layers of meaning, etc -Its also always based around a familiar home or local situation so that they can instantly relate the story to their everyday life -The opinions expressed are also always designed to conform to and reinforce whatever gut feeling the reader already has (or should have!) about the subject. Its designed to be familiar and flattering to its boomer readers, reminding them that they are indeed the centre of the universe and the only sane ones in a world gone mad, and they are totally right and justified to feel/think the way they do.
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Is Trump a secret Labourite? Because every time he speaks about the UK he seems to improve our chances. Can't wait for him to visit right before the election!
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Bobby Deluxe posted:
Holy poo poo lmao  Beefeater1980 posted:Re mattchat, isn’t it good that a worker owns the fruits of his own labour instead of a capitalist? Yeah, this is why I hesitate to condemn like, sports stars and musicians and the like who make mad bank. I want higher taxes on them, but it's money earned honestly through giving a lot of people what they want (Even if we can all quibble about whether someone is 'worth' a club paying £X money for) and even if it's outsized to their social contributions, it still relies on a lot of people voluntarily deciding that Sports is Good and Valuable, or an album is The Slap, or whatever. In short they're providing actual value, I guess. Twats what move money around or just own property are leeches who should be a far more immediate target. Matt's a bit different because he uses his work to directly stan for conservative hatred and boomer cowardice, so he's actively doing harm even if he's also doing honest work. Plus I'm a little hesitant to condemn that kind of thing because historically some of the very few ways a poor kid from the council estates/projects/banlieues could actually make huge money have been to be LeBron or Ronaldo or some poor scouser kids in the 50s, which I recognize is a very tiny positive in a very negative system and makes no systemic difference. But ehhh as above, I think there are much bigger targets to go after first, and it'd be much better to worry about a fairer and better society elsewhere before we worry about any kind of systemic corrections of that kind of thing.
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Ms Adequate posted:Yeah, this is why I hesitate to condemn like, sports stars and musicians and the like who make mad bank. I want higher taxes on them, but it's money earned honestly through giving a lot of people what they want (Even if we can all quibble about whether someone is 'worth' a club paying £X money for) and even if it's outsized to their social contributions, it still relies on a lot of people voluntarily deciding that Sports is Good and Valuable, or an album is The Slap, or whatever. In short they're providing actual value, I guess. Twats what move money around or just own property are leeches who should be a far more immediate target. Matt's a bit different because he uses his work to directly stan for conservative hatred and boomer cowardice, so he's actively doing harm even if he's also doing honest work. Yeah, I think we've had this discussion before about footballers and other high-net-worth individuals that still ostensibly earn their money through work. I think the general consensus is that while they're an edge case, they still often have more in common with us proles than with the capitalist class. I mean you only have to look at the various movie stars who were forced to work with Weinstein, or how Taylor Swift's entire back catalogue ended up owned by someone who apparently bullied her for years. Or how Kaepernick ended up losing his football career because he pissed off his managers. They might be absolutely loaded and could technically give up their careers any time, but if you scratch the surface their 'image', their output and their future financial success usually turns out to be completely controlled by someone else who sits in the background and skims off the lion's share of the profits. So their labour is still not their own, no matter how much they make. jabby fucked around with this message at 05:41 on Nov 4, 2019 |
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I thought Matts deal was that they gave him a theme and he had to churn out a comic in record time before publication. So he was basically on call 24 hours a day for this. Bobby Deluxe posted:
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Tigey posted:Meh they know what the kind of people (ie: boomers) who read their paper want: Yeah, Matt's been with the Telegraph for loving ever and provides one of the paper's last links with its past (before it degenerated into a wannabe Breitbart). For many of the Telegraph's remaining readership, the Matt cartoons are probably the high point of the paper and if he was sacked, they'd be mega-pissed and would cancel their subscriptions. I STILL don't get why he needs to be paid quite that much, though.
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Rarity posted:Hey folks, the Podcasting with Praxis crew is getting together tomorrow evening for an election strategy meeting. We're going to be working out exactly how best to tackle the next 6 weeks so if you've been dragging your feet on getting involved this is a great way to jump in. Just get on the Discord and join the party! And I'm going to put out a special plea here to the lady and enby goons in the thread, please please save me from being the only non-dude in the group I was dumb and forgot to say the time for this! It's tonight at 7:30pm, come join the pod 
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In many sports, compensation is a lottery - the best player in the world makes mad bank. The tenth best player might need a day job to pay the bills. The difference between their quantifiable performance might be miniscule. Given the time commitment necessary to compete in these sports, and the impossibility of knowing upfront that one is in fact going to be the mad-bank star, the lottery must pay out exceptionally well to justify the investment. This is what drives up top-end incomes - one is seeing a lottery pay out. But if one takes averages amongst professional players (take your pick in setting some plausible lower limit for determining a "serious" player), average expected compensation is much less. It is possible for most players to earn nothing, even after sinking tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars on full-time training, coaches, equipment, etc. - never mind the cost of giving up a stabler career. There isn't really a good way around this, since as Ms. A observed much of the top-end earnings is from demand for the superstar's performance. Due to the global nature of sport, national attempts to enforce compensation to lower-tier players can be evaded by simply the top-tier players competing on an individual basis elsewhere.
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ronya posted:In many sports, compensation is a lottery - the best player in the world makes mad bank. The tenth best player might need a day job to pay the bills. The difference between their quantifiable performance might be miniscule. I have a friend who makes bank as an international youth ping pong coach. The games and winning is almost wholly separated from the much more important business aspect. Sometimes they will throw a game by putting their lowest ranked player against the other teams highest ranked player. Because winning will put them against a team for a match with poor merchandising and ad value or might bind them to a follow up tournament with poor profits. The real good money is in a handful of high ranked players and highly rated coaches. Because you can get rich parents to throw fortunes worth of advertisement deals at the team if their kid is can be a member of that club you can offer the chance to train against a player ranked in the top 20s etc.
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Hey slightly OT but I think this is the best place to raise the question. And it's not really about the article either, just this bit that popped out at me. https://www.forbes.com/sites/karlmo...g/#24b1c7df2d9e quote:This week, publications from The New York Times to The Guardian have placed the phrase “OK Boomer,” and with it the tensions between Boomers and Millennials, under the spotlight. I have been researching Millennials and Generation Z for a few years now. I have noticed a pattern in us Boomers and Generation X: we delight in making fun of what Millennials and Generation Z want when we first hear about it. Think: flexible work hours, working from a coffee shop or another remote location, having a voice in important decisions, reshaping the hierarchy, and more. Our mockery can make for good fun over a drink, yet it seems almost inevitable that a year later we realize that we want the same things as our younger counterparts. I've always been annoyed by that, because I don't want this. I want steady boring, predictable hours and job security, preferably all the way to my retirement. That's the boomers had and what I want. Am I the odd one among millennials or what? Do you guys want flexible work hours, working whenever from a coffee shop or what have you? His Divine Shadow fucked around with this message at 08:25 on Nov 4, 2019 |
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Ms Adequate posted:One time I was flying back to the UK from my then-fiance and went through MSP and we were on the phone in the airport and decided it was bad and lovely to be apart when the Visa Waiver hadn't expired yet, so when they offered $800 of flight credit I leaped on it, stayed in a hotel overnight on Delta's dime as well, and spent the next day in Mall of America because the flight I got back to Montana instead of on to England was in the evening. Aw that is sweet and xenophobic authorities are cunts 
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Azza Bamboo posted:To produce a picture like that could take up to two hours. There's little technical flexes he does, mainly having multiple subjects in a frame in consistent perspective, and managing to have his unusual face drawing technique be legible at numerous angles. That two hours is assuming he's only producing one picture, and not doing the photographer's strategy of making a shitload of images to only submit the best one. It's not worth £29k a month but it's definitely not poo poo. The man's tidiness, watercolouring and linework are things I am envious of.
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His Divine Shadow posted:I've always been annoyed by that, because I don't want this. I want steady boring, predictable hours and job security, preferably all the way to my retirement. That's the boomers had and what I want. Am I the odd one among millennials or what? Do you guys want flexible work hours, working whenever from a coffee shop or what have you? I mean, I like not having a boss to tell me what to do, but I don't like that it comes at the cost of security and pay. I think, really, that the article is extrapolating from the way a lot of people are employed (because of the shittty gig economy) to what people want out of employment. Because it's written by some old fart who doesn't understand anything but is determined to write an article expounding their idiot ideas to every else, because they're a journalist.
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His Divine Shadow posted:Hey slightly OT but I think this is the best place to raise the question. And it's not really about the article either, just this bit that popped out at me. No, this is mostly just poo poo thrown at us by capitalism rather than a choice
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His Divine Shadow posted:Hey slightly OT but I think this is the best place to raise the question. And it's not really about the article either, just this bit that popped out at me. Boomers tell themselves that we want these thing to justify lovely work practices like zero hour contracts
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His Divine Shadow posted:Hey slightly OT but I think this is the best place to raise the question. And it's not really about the article either, just this bit that popped out at me. Flexi time might be quite useful sometimes but there're quite often crashes on my way into work that mean I'm like an hour late or whatever, and I'm not sure how that works with that. currently I just sit in traffic enjoying not having to be at work and then go home on time, might be less fun if I was also not getting paid also why are they mocking millennials for wanting things like "having a voice in important decisions, reshaping the hierarchy,"? apart from the fact boomers are cunts obv
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ronya posted:The difference between their quantifiable performance might be miniscule. In many sports it might be undefinable since luck dominates enough that they don't have enough matches during an evaluation period to winnow out those tiny differences. In team sports you need to have the right people around you for success. etc etc One thing I always mention when it comes to sports, remuneration and recognition is that for me the most American of all American things is that the team owners go out to claim the trophies. See this NBA trophy ceremony https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ESZLEPFIsg or the NFL where the proles actually get to touch the trophy before it is given to the old white guy who enabled it all https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSdjJid08ls.
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