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Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014


Yeah, I was going to say: the Lib Dems are standing down in safe Tory seats, but not in safe Labour seats. They're doing it to give the Tories a clear run, not the Greens or any other Remain party.

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Braggart
Nov 10, 2011

always thank the rock hider

ronya posted:

this is a live issue in sport economics - many governments want successful national representatives and want to be able to fling money at the problem

but socialising the cost is difficult. Fundamentally people from a hundred $INSERT_HOME_TOWN_HEREs do not turn out to see a hundred top players from $INSERT_HOME_TOWN_HEREs, they want to see the top player from the top, singular. This is what drives the extreme returns. Conversely, governments want successful national representatives, not even more massive numbers of also-rans.

And of course many of the successful will complain loudly and at length about any limitations on their outlier success. Here, The Beatles, a year after being awarded OBEs:


The Who, five years after exploding into mainstream success:


&c. All involved fled to lower-tax jurisdictions.

You make good points, so I would suggest that it would be easier and more practical to simply provide everyone with what they need, while taxing them according to their ability to pay. It would even cover ridiculous edge cases caused by dogmatic adherence to formulae! :)

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

peanut- posted:

I can't find a link to it now but I definitely read a study that showed for any decrease in business rates, 100% of the cost saving ends up being passed on to commercial landlords. Which makes logical sense, rent & rates are combined fixed premises costs and if the tax element falls the other one will raise.

I'm sure the system is bad and can be reformed, but this whole idea that it's rates that are driving shops out of business probably isn't true and serves more of as a convenient excuse for management to dodge the blame for running crappy shops.

Not always. Depends where. In my local high at shops are rented from landlords at fixed rents with regular rises built in (RPI or whatever, different leases different rules). Business rates are entirely a matter for the business. Small retailers were absolutely hammered in the last rating revaluation. For example local chippy went from rateable value < £6000 therefore full rates relief to over £15000 no rates relief. A local burger place would have had to sell 60000 burgers a year just to pay rates + rent before even got to ingredients and staff. Town population 12000.
There is no advantage to the landlords in reducing business rates.

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.

Marsan immersing himself deeply in the character of "loving Idiot".

[e]: :lol:
VVV

Pesky Splinter fucked around with this message at 12:44 on Nov 4, 2019

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


Pesky Splinter posted:

Marsan immersing himself deeply in the character of "loving Idiot".

The role he was born to play

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

Pull me out

josh04
Oct 19, 2008


"THE FLASH IS THE REASON
TO RACE TO THE THEATRES"

This title contains sponsored content.

https://twitter.com/eddiemarsan/status/1191148409450881025

Only centrists can deliver the adult politics of not believing in anything at all.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

ronya posted:

this is a live issue in sport economics - many governments want successful national representatives and want to be able to fling money at the problem

but socialising the cost is difficult. Fundamentally people from a hundred $INSERT_HOME_TOWN_HEREs do not turn out to see a hundred top players from $INSERT_HOME_TOWN_HEREs, they want to see the top player from the top, singular. This is what drives the extreme returns. Conversely, governments want successful national representatives, not even more massive numbers of also-rans.
I'd rather watch local teams with some history than Lionel Footballsman, best number one football, kicking a ball about by himself.

ronya posted:

And of course many of the successful will complain loudly and at length about any limitations on their outlier success. Here, The Beatles, a year after being awarded OBEs:


The Who, five years after exploding into mainstream success:


&c. All involved fled to lower-tax jurisdictions.
And yet if it weren't for the welfare state siphoned off by an 83% top tax rate and super taxes they'd all have been stacking shelves in Tesco's instead of forming bands. Makes u think.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009


Listen to the world changer? My French was bad even before that bad French got rusty so a TL would be nice.

Junior G-man
Sep 15, 2004

Wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma


https://twitter.com/C4Dispatches/status/1191065277645111296?s=20

Seumas Milne and the CumDom are ACTUALLY THE SAME BOTH SIDES ARGHLBLARGHL

Also thanks for the cameo, JessFlaps.

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

Pull me out

Tesseraction posted:

Listen to the world changer? My French was bad even before that bad French got rusty so a TL would be nice.

Hear the world changing was how I read it. A friend just sent it to our WhatsApp group from Paris.

I was just enjoying that Boris in anguish is advertising in France

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Tarnop posted:

Hear the world changing was how I read it. A friend just sent it to our WhatsApp group from Paris.

I was just enjoying that Boris in anguish is advertising in France

Good point, -er is the French equivalent of the verb-ifiying -ing in English.

See, rusty!

Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003

Tesseraction posted:

Listen to the world changer? My French was bad even before that bad French got rusty so a TL would be nice.

(You) listen to the world change

Oh god that radio 4 Today interview about the NHS was painful. Besides, wasn’t nick Robison known to have shares in private healthcare companies or something?

Mr Phillby
Apr 8, 2009

~TRAVIS~
Feeling encouraged to post more and lurk less. You all brought this upon yourself.

I've been following UKMT for years now, altough I did bounce off the thread during the Milliband years because it seemed just pages of arguing about Zizek from my limited exposure at the time. Over time thread has has helped me crystalize my political leanings from 'uncritcally votes labour (blair was good), gently caress the tories' to 'Full socialism now, purge the hated blarites and wreckers but especially gently caress the tories'. It also opened my eyes reading other peoples experiences with gender and identity itt and I got to say 'I am a homosexual' to my parents for the first time last night and I've never been happier.

Feeling positive and optimistic despite everything rn.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Mr Phillby posted:

It also opened my eyes reading other peoples experiences with gender and identity itt and I got to say 'I am a homosexual' to my parents for the first time last night and I've never been happier.

Feeling positive and optimistic despite everything rn.

Hell yeah, great to hear it mate!

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~

Mr Phillby posted:

I've been following UKMT for years now, altough I did bounce off the thread during the Milliband years because it seemed just pages of arguing about Zizek from my limited exposure at the time. Over time thread has has helped me crystalize my political leanings from 'uncritcally votes labour (blair was good), gently caress the tories' to 'Full socialism now, purge the hated blarites and wreckers but especially gently caress the tories'. It also opened my eyes reading other peoples experiences with gender and identity itt and I got to say 'I am a homosexual' to my parents for the first time last night and I've never been happier.

Congrats! Queer goons best goons :glomp:

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Junior G-man posted:

https://twitter.com/C4Dispatches/status/1191065277645111296?s=20

Seumas Milne and the CumDom are ACTUALLY THE SAME BOTH SIDES ARGHLBLARGHL

Also thanks for the cameo, JessFlaps.

It's fun that they didn't seem to care that much about SpAds in the Blair and Cameron years.

ronya
Nov 8, 2010

I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

Braggart posted:

You make good points, so I would suggest that it would be easier and more practical to simply provide everyone with what they need, while taxing them according to their ability to pay. It would even cover ridiculous edge cases caused by dogmatic adherence to formulae! :)

"Ability to pay" is where all tax avoidance schemes live... an, ahem, dogmatic adherence to this formula would not be able to distinguish between a going concern with high operating costs and hence no ability to pay, vs a tax shelter vehicle that exists to accumulate capital gains

But I don't think that's what you really have in mind, and it's worth pointing out that the intuition leads to strange places. The Soviet Union itself, of course, merely hoped for to-each-according-to-his-contribution; it never dared to aim so high as from-each-according-to-his-ability.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

forkboy84 posted:

It's fun that they didn't seem to care that much about SpAds in the Blair and Cameron years.

They're just pissy Tories only pick ones from the BBC and Labour only pick ones from Graun

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.

Mr Phillby posted:

Feeling encouraged to post more and lurk less. You all brought this upon yourself.

I've been following UKMT for years now, altough I did bounce off the thread during the Milliband years because it seemed just pages of arguing about Zizek from my limited exposure at the time. Over time thread has has helped me crystalize my political leanings from 'uncritcally votes labour (blair was good), gently caress the tories' to 'Full socialism now, purge the hated blarites and wreckers but especially gently caress the tories'. It also opened my eyes reading other peoples experiences with gender and identity itt and I got to say 'I am a homosexual' to my parents for the first time last night and I've never been happier.

Feeling positive and optomistic despite everything rn.

Congrats comrade! :glomp:

Ratjaculation
Aug 3, 2007

:parrot::parrot::parrot:



Mr Phillby posted:

Feeling encouraged to post more and lurk less. You all brought this upon yourself.

I've been following UKMT for years now, altough I did bounce off the thread during the Milliband years because it seemed just pages of arguing about Zizek from my limited exposure at the time. Over time thread has has helped me crystalize my political leanings from 'uncritcally votes labour (blair was good), gently caress the tories' to 'Full socialism now, purge the hated blarites and wreckers but especially gently caress the tories'. It also opened my eyes reading other peoples experiences with gender and identity itt and I got to say 'I am a homosexual' to my parents for the first time last night and I've never been happier.

Feeling positive and optimistic despite everything rn.

This is a feel good post, congrats Mr Phillby!

VideoGames
Aug 18, 2003

Mr Phillby posted:

Feeling encouraged to post more and lurk less. You all brought this upon yourself.

I've been following UKMT for years now, altough I did bounce off the thread during the Milliband years because it seemed just pages of arguing about Zizek from my limited exposure at the time. Over time thread has has helped me crystalize my political leanings from 'uncritcally votes labour (blair was good), gently caress the tories' to 'Full socialism now, purge the hated blarites and wreckers but especially gently caress the tories'. It also opened my eyes reading other peoples experiences with gender and identity itt and I got to say 'I am a homosexual' to my parents for the first time last night and I've never been happier.

Feeling positive and optimistic despite everything rn.

Heck yes! I love this thread :D

Mr Phillby
Apr 8, 2009

~TRAVIS~

everyone posted:

:glomp:
Aww shucks thanks all :kimchi:

CGI Stardust
Nov 7, 2010


Brexit is but a door,
election time is but a window.

I'll be back

Mr Phillby posted:

Feeling encouraged to post more and lurk less. You all brought this upon yourself.

I've been following UKMT for years now, altough I did bounce off the thread during the Milliband years because it seemed just pages of arguing about Zizek from my limited exposure at the time. Over time thread has has helped me crystalize my political leanings from 'uncritcally votes labour (blair was good), gently caress the tories' to 'Full socialism now, purge the hated blarites and wreckers but especially gently caress the tories'. It also opened my eyes reading other peoples experiences with gender and identity itt and I got to say 'I am a homosexual' to my parents for the first time last night and I've never been happier.

Feeling positive and optimistic despite everything rn.
welcome, former lurker! in celebration of your emergence in both ways, please accept some Pride birds

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Mr Phillby posted:

Feeling encouraged to post more and lurk less. You all brought this upon yourself.

I've been following UKMT for years now, altough I did bounce off the thread during the Milliband years because it seemed just pages of arguing about Zizek from my limited exposure at the time. Over time thread has has helped me crystalize my political leanings from 'uncritcally votes labour (blair was good), gently caress the tories' to 'Full socialism now, purge the hated blarites and wreckers but especially gently caress the tories'. It also opened my eyes reading other peoples experiences with gender and identity itt and I got to say 'I am a homosexual' to my parents for the first time last night and I've never been happier.

Feeling positive and optimistic despite everything rn.

Felicitations, Comrade!

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



Mr Phillby posted:

Feeling encouraged to post more and lurk less. You all brought this upon yourself.

I've been following UKMT for years now, altough I did bounce off the thread during the Milliband years because it seemed just pages of arguing about Zizek from my limited exposure at the time. Over time thread has has helped me crystalize my political leanings from 'uncritcally votes labour (blair was good), gently caress the tories' to 'Full socialism now, purge the hated blarites and wreckers but especially gently caress the tories'. It also opened my eyes reading other peoples experiences with gender and identity itt and I got to say 'I am a homosexual' to my parents for the first time last night and I've never been happier.

Feeling positive and optimistic despite everything rn.

This is all very good, especially the purging.

Ratjaculation
Aug 3, 2007

:parrot::parrot::parrot:



Mr Phillby should sell his story to one of those 'human interest' rags

THE UKMT TURNED ME GAY

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
Likes Cake, Hates Hamsters



Taste the salt! Like the open sea on a breezy day.

https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1191189306754445312

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Mr Phillby posted:

Feeling encouraged to post more and lurk less. You all brought this upon yourself.

I've been following UKMT for years now, altough I did bounce off the thread during the Milliband years because it seemed just pages of arguing about Zizek from my limited exposure at the time. Over time thread has has helped me crystalize my political leanings from 'uncritcally votes labour (blair was good), gently caress the tories' to 'Full socialism now, purge the hated blarites and wreckers but especially gently caress the tories'. It also opened my eyes reading other peoples experiences with gender and identity itt and I got to say 'I am a homosexual' to my parents for the first time last night and I've never been happier.

Feeling positive and optimistic despite everything rn.

Fucken A, congratulations comrade

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Zalakwe posted:

Taste the salt! Like the open sea on a breezy day.

https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1191189306754445312

Ah yes, remember that UK election where the Brexit Party won over 50% of the seats.

That's why Farage is currently prime minister.

Sanford
Jun 30, 2007

...and rarely post!


Mr Phillby posted:

Feeling encouraged to post more and lurk less. You all brought this upon yourself.

I've been following UKMT for years now, altough I did bounce off the thread during the Milliband years because it seemed just pages of arguing about Zizek from my limited exposure at the time. Over time thread has has helped me crystalize my political leanings from 'uncritcally votes labour (blair was good), gently caress the tories' to 'Full socialism now, purge the hated blarites and wreckers but especially gently caress the tories'. It also opened my eyes reading other peoples experiences with gender and identity itt and I got to say 'I am a homosexual' to my parents for the first time last night and I've never been happier.

Feeling positive and optimistic despite everything rn.

Nice one dude, I hope they took it well because if not you've a whole host of left-wing shitposters here who will come and frown at them in solidarity with and for you.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

The Brexit Party has appointed the founder of the Scottish edition of The Sun as the national head of campaign communications.

His current CV lists him as... an expert in crisis management.


Well then.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Sanford posted:

Nice one dude, I hope they took it well because if not you've a whole host of left-wing shitposters here who will come and frown at them in solidarity with and for you.

We are the parents now.

Rustybear
Nov 16, 2006
what the thunder said

Zalakwe posted:

Taste the salt! Like the open sea on a breezy day.

https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1191189306754445312

He's really really salty about 'Corbyn Can't Win Here!', way more so than healthy scepticism. idk whether it's just general ageing lib dem-ism or he lost bigly on GE2017 or what.

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~

Ratjaculation posted:

Mr Phillby should sell his story to one of those 'human interest' rags

THE UKMT TURNED ME GAY

I DID! AND I'LL DO IT TO THE REST OF YOU TOO!

Hungry
Jul 14, 2006

I can feel it in me bones, today is the day my parents are going to try to justify voting Lib Dem.

Mr Phillby
Apr 8, 2009

~TRAVIS~

Sanford posted:

Nice one dude, I hope they took it well because if not you've a whole host of left-wing shitposters here who will come and frown at them in solidarity with and for you.
They were cool as poo poo about it just like I knew they would be.

Not everyone is as lucky as me though, so I'm deffo down to frown with you all at any less good parents >:(

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


Rarity posted:

Queer goons best goons

All sexualities are valid Rarity, even hetero :(

Ratjaculation
Aug 3, 2007

:parrot::parrot::parrot:



Hungry posted:

I can feel it in me bones, today is the day my parents are going to try to justify voting Lib Dem.

The party who's have proven repeatedly that they are untrustworthy, and who's Tory-esque enabling of austerity actually caused people let down by the system to vote in protest at it, thus causing Brexit?

^ that's an argument I used with a LD friend, they iffed and butted, and eventually changed the topic.

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Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
The "U gay?"-MT

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