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Ultimately it's pointless to give a red card based on the resultant injury, if a major point of cards is to disincentivize similar behaviour. Loads of tackles like that will have gone in across all levels this weekend, the majority of which resulting in yellow cards and no injury. It's extremely unlikely a challenge of that nature will cause serious injury, which is why most players will be willing to put them in. The threat of a red card on top is not going to make anyone think twice, because the odds are so low.
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Cannon_Fodder posted:Careful bud, we're getting close to making sense. poo poo, thanks for the warning.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:That's nowhere in the rules and makes absolutely no sense, the offence is on the *likelihood* of causing severe injury. Should the guy holding back Henrik Larsson when his leg exploded* have got a red? After all it was a foul, and it led to serious injury. What about if a goalie knocks himself out on the post after saving a shot that turned out to be handball**? That's a yellow card offence but it led to a serious injury. On the other side, if a player goes in high over the ball with both feet at knee height and doesn't cause an injury - or even misses the other player altogether - is that now just a yellow card or even a waved play on? I didn't say it was in the rules. I'm stating it's completely just for the booking to be upgraded to a red, given it was simply a cynical "tactical" foul that resulted in the player getting a horrific injury. I'm also stating that this should always be the case, because the so called "dark arts" are annoying as gently caress. I agree with the judgement used by the referee. To be clear I am happy with what the ref did and am stating that because I feel that if you're going to break the rules to "take one for the team" you'd better be prepared for that "one" to be a red instead of a free shot at it yellow if the result of the tactical foul is the player you targeted ends up injured. What the gently caress that has to do with a handball is beyond me. Not all fouls are created equal and no, the obviously dangerous tackles shouldn't be downgraded to a yellow just because the player wasn't hurt. A player's career may be ended as a direct result of shithousery and there are very serious concerns about Son getting a red and a short suspension over it 
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Nov 4, 2019 17:11
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Are we forgetting that the injury didn’t even occur from the Son foul, but from Aurier’s studs on Gomes’s leg afterwards?
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Nov 4, 2019 17:18
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He crushed his own ankle after colliding with Aurier, I don't think it had anything to do with studs.
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Bundy posted:I didn't say it was in the rules. I'm stating it's completely just for the booking to be upgraded to a red, given it was simply a cynical "tactical" foul that resulted in the player getting a horrific injury. I'm also stating that this should always be the case, because the so called "dark arts" are annoying as gently caress. I agree with the judgement used by the referee. This is really stupid. The consequences for fouls shouldn't be linked to whether a player in a horrific accident is injured, if you want tactical fouls out of the game make them a straight red regardless of whether the other player manages to get their ankle stuck under them self and explodes their leg.
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Nov 4, 2019 17:25
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Vegetable posted:He gave the yellow immediately after the challenge, before the injury became clear and before Son started weeping non-stop about it I'd be pretty broken up too, that poo poo sucks. I feel awful for Serg Aurier, who basically did most of the damage.
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Nov 4, 2019 19:17
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c0burn posted:There's a rumour has reffing our game Vs City next week. Dear god no he's reffing newcastle vs bournemouth
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Nov 4, 2019 19:18
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Poor bastards.
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Nov 4, 2019 19:20
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fat gay nonce posted:This is really stupid. Agree to disagree I guess, as far as I'm concerned I see no problem with professional fouls being at least a yellow, and a red at ref's discretion if a serious injury occurs as a result. 
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Nov 4, 2019 19:29
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Xabi posted:Poor bastards. We've yet to have var give or take something away despite there being good reason to so I guess it's finally time
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Nov 4, 2019 19:33
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Bundy posted:Agree to disagree I guess, as far as I'm concerned I see no problem with professional fouls being at least a yellow, and a red at ref's discretion if a serious injury occurs as a result. Maybe not an EPL ref's discretion, tho
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Nov 4, 2019 19:53
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Yeah. It can be hard not to confuse bad and wrong, especially when it looks like a career-ender.
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The Everton site says he should make a full recovery. gently caress man, I hope so.
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I’m not sure how they can say that other than just being extremely positive. It’s so early there could be a million complications.
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big crush on Chad OMG posted:I’m not sure how they can say that other than just being extremely positive. It’s so early there could be a million complications. probably saying that barring no crazy complications it's possible for him to make a full recovery - which is something in and of itself
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It looked horrific, but from what I've read it was a single fracture and a disolocation. Both things which are, depending on severity obviously, recoverable from in due course. Eduardo had an open fibula fracture and an open dislocation of his ankle and was back playing within a year.
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Lemon posted:It looked horrific, but from what I've read it was a single fracture and a disolocation. Both things which are, depending on severity obviously, recoverable from in due course. Yeah but despite making a “full recovery” Eduardo was a shell of his former self.
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Even if his leg miraculously heals he will be different mentally in how he approaches the game.
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Eduardo was never the same, except for that one goal.Brendan Rodgers posted:Even if his leg miraculously heals he will be different mentally in how he approaches in the game. Yeah, there's an underlying fear they never seem to shake. Ramsey got over it but it took years.
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Nov 5, 2019 00:20
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Eduardo's leg blew up. That was some gruesome poo poo. And I've had food in London
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I imagine watching your foot fall off changes your approach to life a bit
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Nov 5, 2019 00:24
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Aaron Ramsey came back to play wonderfully after a full leg break, but different person/body and he was a decent amount younger.
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Ramsey took a very long time to get back to a decent level. For the many months after he came back he still looked a shadow of his former self.
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All very true, but there's reason to hope that he will be able to come back and play at a decent level at some point rather than have his career permanently ended.
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Nov 5, 2019 02:12
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Gomes' injury is considerably less severe than Ramsey's though, right? Ramsey broke his tibia and fibula in half.
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Big Huski Boi posted:Gomes' injury is considerably less severe than Ramsey's though, right? Ramsey broke his tibia and fibula in half. With the ankle, I believe it'll come down to how much damage the soft tissue took and how well it heals.
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Aren't clean breaks halfway along the bone better/easier to heal? An ankle is a mess of different moving parts.
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Sonny got his red card overturned: https://www.espn.com/soccer/tottenham-hotspur/story/3981772/tottenhams-heung-min-son-has-red-card-for-tackle-on-andres-gomes-overturned
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Might not have been successful but I can't remember the last time a Newcastle player tried this kind of thing Not sure how to embed this on my phone https://gfycat.com/costlytightheterodontosaurus
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Grant Chaka has been stripped of the Arsenal captaincy in favor of Aubameyang, who is rumored to be displeased with Emery’s general shiftiness. E wrong thread
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Jose posted:Might not have been successful but I can't remember the last time a Newcastle player tried this kind of thing there's an android app if you roll that way.
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Phwoar it’s almost time for Watford v Norwich
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I'm tuning in!!!
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Nov 8, 2019 20:54
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hello i just signed up to pay tv and my first match is *checks notes*
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Nov 8, 2019 21:02
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ah the running literal circles around the guy with the ball defence
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poorbitch - parity warning
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Come on you wiches
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