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kustomkarkommando posted:Crisis averted, somewhat boring fella won Excerpt from his Wikipedia page: quote:Personal life Came in with Blair but had arguments with him. Respected him for his electability. Was in the Speaker's chair during the 22 March 2017 terrorist attack in Westminster and got locked in as a precaution. Into Parliament I mean, not the chair. Not much else in that article really  I didn't know anything about him before today, so this has been your Wikipedia digest 
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blunt posted:https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1191408591594491904 Goddamn son, now I need some brain bleach to remove that image. SNP are already bitching about not getting invited to that one btw.
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Hi folks! Your friends at Podcasting is Praxis have been hashing out election plans over the next few weeks and something we want to get working on asap is an episode that's essentially a campaign guide. So we'll be talking about how to get involved, what to expect, what kind of talking points will be useful on the doorstep and we're hoping to make it a resource for all the newbie activists who are going out for the first time this election. So what we'd like to do is throw out an open invitation to experienced campaigners who've been involved with elections, the Brexit referendum, the Scots Y/N referendum and other such things to come and join us for some fun and educational discussion. If that's you then please come hang out in the Discord or shoot one of us a message. Your knowledge can really help make a difference!
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Rarity posted:Hi folks! Your friends at Podcasting is Praxis have been hashing out election plans over the next few weeks and something we want to get working on asap is an episode that's essentially a campaign guide. So we'll be talking about how to get involved, what to expect, what kind of talking points will be useful on the doorstep and we're hoping to make it a resource for all the newbie activists who are going out for the first time this election. So what we'd like to do is throw out an open invitation to experienced campaigners who've been involved with elections, the Brexit referendum, the Scots Y/N referendum and other such things to come and join us for some fun and educational discussion. If that's you then please come hang out in the Discord or shoot one of us a message. Your knowledge can really help make a difference! hot drat that's a good fuckin idea for a themed podcast episode
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chestnut santabag posted:Do you have this in not eye straining format? 
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Tigey posted:A lot of Transphobes in Britain would also 100% be openly hating on gay people as well if they could, but that's considered a bit more socially unacceptable nowdays (political correctness gone mad, etc). So they content themselves with hating on trans folk for now, as a wedge issue, with the eventual hope of extending this back to gay folks and other groups.
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Can ronya or someone smarter than me point me to a good explanation of LTV? I think it's that if you vote labour, that's good value E or is it just some old timey bullshit that only marxist academics and telegraph writers care about Communist Thoughts fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Nov 4, 2019 |
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Is Glinner still being a bigot on the internet or did he log off like he kept promising to?
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Communist Thoughts posted:Can ronya or someone smarter than me point me to a good explanation of LTV? I think it's that if you vote labour, that's good value The basic idea is pretty intuitive, actually pre-dates Marx to Smith & Ricardo & possibly even further back. To quote The Wealth of Nations, "The real value of all the different component parts of price, it must be observed, is measured by the quantity of labour which they can, each of them, purchase or command. Labour measures the value not only of that part of price which resolves itself into labour, but of that which resolves itself into rent, and of that which resolves itself into profit." You earn £10 an hour for your employer because they can afford to make more than £10 an hour from your labour. That surplus value should go to the worker rather than capitalists. It's obviously a lot more complex but as a starting point, that'd do. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Nov 4, 2019 |
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Noooooooooooooooo The Bins in Blaenau Gwent (Labour MP). Ed: Independent councillors (not TIGS or CHUKS or whatever). 'They said they would do better than Labour but.. " People on my FB who live in that constituency going bonkers. quote:MONTHLY bin collections could be introduced across Blaenau Gwent in 2022. source: https://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/18013147.blaenau-gwent-set-monthly-bin-collections/
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mehall posted:GNU's Not UNIX Most egregious is probably LAME Ain't an Mp3 Encoder (oops, me age is showing) Ms Adequate posted:Sorry, hold up, cancel all other discussions. One of these days I'll be bored enough to overlap the mid break so it doesn't lose momentum, and then everyone will be sorry.
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Random Integer posted:Is Glinner still being a bigot on the internet or did he log off like he kept promising to? Trying to get Glinner to log off is like trying to shoo an animal down a hole, it always veers away at the last minute.
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Communist Thoughts posted:Can ronya or someone smarter than me point me to a good explanation of LTV? I think it's that if you vote labour, that's good value https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGT-hygPqUM&list=PL3F695D99C91FC6F7 (also, noting the playlist title, it's often called Law of Value by Marxists, not Labour Theory of Value, which iirc tends to be reserved for Smith and Ricardo?)
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OwlFancier posted:It tells you to get loving mad your boss is screwing you you loving nerd. This if fine of your vision of the future is an endless sequence of bosses screwing workers. If all you want out of life is an excuse to complain about that, then sure, there is no need for anything even vaguely truthlike. Not like the bosses are going to listen. On the other hand, some like to imagine a better world being possible. Such a world would need to be built from ideas that survive contact with reality.
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Random Integer posted:Is Glinner still being a bigot on the internet or did he log off like he kept promising to? i took a brief look at his twitter account and the answer will not surprise you
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I think the last time he said he was quitting Twitter he was back less than 24 hours later.
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VideoGames needs to level up and perma glinner.
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The useful part of it, imo, is the easy bit. A worker goes to work for a boss. The boss owns the company, the worker does not. Conventional liberal wisdom is the boss is "creating jobs" and you should be thankful for them deigning to employ you, and that the relationship is mutually beneficial and everyone gets properly rewarded. LTV states, broadly, that you go to work and produce something of value, the value of the thing you produce is the result of the labour you put into it, plus the labour that has already been put in to the materials you use in the production process. This is easiest to imagine with something like a factory, it takes in raw materials (or pre-processed materials) and then a burly man comes and hits it with a hammer and makes a refined product at the other end, the worker puts their labour into the product and increases its value. At the very earliest stage the worker digs poo poo out of the ground or cuts down trees or ploughs the land and produces products from things that are just lying around, by their labour. The products become valuable when the worker puts labour into the earth and produces them. Iron in the mine isn't useful to anyone until you dig it out. It also broadly works for other stuff, when I go to work and put poo poo on shelves I'm increasing the value of the product by putting it somewhere people can buy it, if I can't do that it's harder for people to buy it and thus I'm contributing to the sale of the product, and that's why they pay me to do it, because the product is only useful to my boss when it's somewhere it can be bought. Or in some hypothetical socialist alternative, I'd be putting the products where people who need them can access them, because they're only useful to the people who need them if they can access them. There's some stuff about how this is a way to find the true value of a product (that only really works with the factory understanding) but I don't find that enormously useful. The key point is that the value you add to the product by your labour is the actual value of your work. But you don't get to take that value home at the end of the day, your boss gets all that value and also gets to decide what to do with it. Your boss will give you some money in exchange for that work so that you come back to work tomorrow, but he won't give you the actual value of your work, because he wants to keep as much of that as he can, and he calls it "profit". The theory is good because it makes you ask "what is the boss contributing to the arrangement" and well, the boss stumps up the initial cash to buy the materials and the building in which you work, and liberal thought suggests that this "risk" entitled the boss to his profits. But in terms of the actual arrangment of production, the boss isn't actually doing anything, other than making the decisions, specifically the decisons about where the workers work, how much they get paid, what they make, and whether they get to come to work tomorrow. This is supposed to strike you as a pretty stupid arrangement. It gets pretty well to the heart of the bad things about capitalism. The people who actually make value in the world have no say, the people who do have a say, do not create any sort of value. It describes an immediate personal problem to which nearly everyone can relate (my boss is poo poo, my pay is crap, I don't like having to work/pay rent) and it suggests a political solution to that problem (get rid of the boss) OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Nov 4, 2019 |
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Communist Thoughts posted:Can ronya or someone smarter than me point me to a good explanation of LTV? I think it's that if you vote labour, that's good value There are different types of value like use value (e.g. water is more valuable to someone dying of thirst in a desert) or exchange value (Basically it's price in £ or in exchange for another commodity) and these things are important and talked about, but when Marxists talk about "value" in and of itself with no prefix they are talking about something very specific. "Value" refers to the labour time (plus any materials, etc) that go into making a commodity. In any successful business the value of commodity will be less then the commodity is sold for. The worker will receive a fraction of the income generated by their labour with the rest going to the Capitalists - this latter amount being surplus value. Basically it comes down to "Workers only get paid a fraction of what their work is actually worth as capitalists use their control over the means of production to take as much money as they can from the labourers work". It is more complicated than this and has all kind of specific details and explanations to cover what ifs, like the labour time referred to being socially necessary labour time which is a specific definition which answers questions like "But what if worker X creates a product faster than worker Y) but that's deeper than you probably need. Overall there's not much there to dispute in terms of the basic practices it lays out - it's a refinement of the Labour Theory of Value put forth by Adam Smith after all. To my mind it's largely useful as a philosophical point of view which centres wealth creation in the labour of the everyday worker who creates the commodities, which is then taken from them by the parasitic capitalist class. There are also some technical applications if you get really deep into it but they're often disputed like the connection between value and exchange value and even different modern day Marxist economics can have different takes on it. team overhead smash fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Nov 4, 2019 |
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kustomkarkommando posted:https://twitter.com/PARLYapp/status/1191450264148021251?s=19 He seems to have a sense of humour about the pisstaking of his bad photo, at least.
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Communist Thoughts posted:Can ronya or someone smarter than me point me to a good explanation of LTV? I think it's that if you vote labour, that's good value
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Just got done talking to my friend trying to convince him not to spoil his ballot, he was convinced that we should just say gently caress it to the leave voters in the labour constituents because majority of labour members voted to remain. It's not a bad point because yeah I do agree in some sense, but I know how much sway those labour leavers have in the party. Seems convinced Labour can't win a majority either, we got work to do lads! At the very least he didn't disagree that we need to focus on other issues that aren't necessarily just brexit. How do people manage to do this without getting depressed about the current political situation for us?
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it's officially christmas by the metrics of seasonal drinks at costa their "bonfire spice" didn't even last until bonfire day. shocking. writing to my mp while i still have one
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Communist Thoughts posted:E or is it just some old timey bullshit that only marxist academics and telegraph writers care about
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Ikwaylx posted:How do people manage to do this without getting depressed about the current political situation for us? Getting a visa to live in another country worked for me.
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Had to pretend to care about Russia poo poo tonight but Boris blocking the report until after the election seems to be having some cut through with people today at least, spoke to some quite wealthy soft Corbyn=badders that reacted really well to "intelligence services are able to release it and want to release it, personally I think we should be able to read it, what are the tories so scared of?". Only mention it because that issue properly swung one couple I spoke to, it's something to keep in your back pocket, some people that don't give a poo poo about homeless or disabled people do care about being lied to/deliberately kept in the dark.
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Ratjaculation posted:Getting a visa to live in another country worked for me. Which country though the whole world seems hosed it’s just a matter of degrees
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Ikwaylx posted:Just got done talking to my friend trying to convince him not to spoil his ballot, he was convinced that we should just say gently caress it to the leave voters in the labour constituents because majority of labour members voted to remain. It's not a bad point because yeah I do agree in some sense, but I know how much sway those labour leavers have in the party. I think tbh if someone is only concerned with remain they should obviously vote for Labour. Theyr the only party with a shot and their policy of 2nd ref is the same as the libdem realistic policy of 2nd ref except its a deal v remain rather than maxxxx blood v remain The libdems will just end up coalitioning with the tories if labour don't beat them anyway
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Or if you're some kind of antisemite who doesn't want your economic ideas presented via the medium of klezmer music, there's this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4CI2vk3ugk
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Pochoclo posted:Which country though the whole world seems hosed it’s just a matter of degrees NZ It has political issues, but a fairly good Labour government propped up by the Greens against classic Tory types. A bit of nationalist movement, led by idiots who think Europeans were there before the Maori lol There is a massive growing left movement but I'm not sure how it levels against the boomers there. I plan to go back permanently when I can, but got to wait for my missus to finish her post-grad first... Rude.
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Communist Thoughts posted:I think tbh if someone is only concerned with remain they should obviously vote for Labour. This is basically the line I've been using on FBPE types. There are two parties which have a chance of winning, one is offering hard Brexit, the other a second referendum (I always refer to it as a People's Vote to them). Regardless of whatever opinions they have of Corbyn, their choice is clear. My theory is that they respond well to the realpolitik feel of it: "I, who care so deeply about the EU, will lower myself to vote for Labour for the greater good". Also, anyone else out in Uxbridge tomorrow?
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Birds chat: quote:Gay penguin ‘power couple’ have adopted another egg together after successfully hatching their first chick source: https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/11/04/gay-penguin-couple-adoption-sphen-magic-sydney-australia-sea-life-aquarium/ Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 23:15 on Nov 4, 2019 |
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Ikwaylx posted:Just got done talking to my friend trying to convince him not to spoil his ballot, he was convinced that we should just say gently caress it to the leave voters in the labour constituents because majority of labour members voted to remain. It's not a bad point because yeah I do agree in some sense, but I know how much sway those labour leavers have in the party. Not the best person to answer this, I really only do any activism when there's an election, but rhetorically and mentally find yourself a strong ground. For me it's my cousin, he has a disability that requires complex care, and a friend of mine that's a single mum. When I start to feel depressed or hopeless I think about them, recognise the basic loving objective truth that lab 'moderates'/lib dems/tories want to and have made their lives much more painful for no greater purpose than the rich having more money and it's like yeah drag yourself out to do your little bit then legit feel really good and sort of righteously defiant when you get home and play video games/shitpost again. But rhetorically it's really useful to have that strong ground in your head and to honestly speak it when you have to. If you're losing an argument on loving PFI tax rates or someone is smug-not-listening then drop that strong ground on them, straight up say you don't want disabled people dying in pools of their own poo poo and Labour are the only party that will reduce that, say you don't want young women to be so desperate they consider prostitution and Labour are the only party that will reduce that. Think about what the core things are that make you even care about politics and make that your strong ground.
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everyone join with me in directing our energy towards hoping that plane crashes. togethter we can do this (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Ikwaylx posted:we should just say gently caress it to the leave voters in the labour constituents because majority of labour members voted to remain. Do that and the next Tory government can just take us out. A referendum between a leave deal and remain is the only safe way to give remain legitimacy. Ikwaylx posted:How do people manage to do this without getting depressed about the current political situation for us? Fixation on Brexit is temporary. If we lose this election badly, we'll at least have some hope that things can go better for Labour once Remain isn't even possible. As long as we can hold our nerve and keep a left winger in the Labour leadership, there's hope.
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OwlFancier posted:Not enormously sure the voter on the doorstep would respond well to me frothing at the mouth and screaming my lust for the blood of tories. Mood. I was struggling enough not to rant angrily among broadly friendly Labour volunteers this afternoon, let alone muggles.
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