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Ballmer gave us a UX designed by a sweat drenched fat bald psychopath Nadella gave us ads on the start menu as a service and an os where something different is broken in a new and exciting way every week Difficult to say which is better or worse but yeah one of those definitely generated more ｒｅｃｕｒｒｉｎｇ ｒｅｖｅｎｕｅ
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i have a pretty stable experience using windows day in day out for years
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Chumbawumba4ever97 posted:now wait a second! ballmer gave us windows vista, windows 8, the zune, the start button removal, windows phone 7, windowsRT, uh....never mind can’t believe you left the kin out
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echinopsis posted:i have a pretty stable experience using windows day in day out for years i, too, still primarily use windows 7
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nadella has essentially ignored windows, allowing the org to continue building the ridiculous wcos bullshit. nadella is focused on selling office subscriptions and azure services. the only major thing he has done with windows is split it in two, giving half to office and half to azure. unfortunately the wcos stupidity somehow survived the re-org, presumably because the new owners in office don't have enough sense to kill it entirely. they did kill the phone variant, though, and decided to repurpose the phone hardware investment as a generic android device. in effect wcos is a dead product walking and has been since the surface duo announcement.
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https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Windows-Admin-Center-Blog/Introducing-the-new-Performance-Monitor-for-Windows/ba-p/957991 New performance monitor program. It runs in the browser (not even electron). Lol even Microsoft has given up on desktop applications.
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just converging the windows janitoring ux with the azure portal ux so that windows janitors feel comfortable with azure. (at least in theory. in practice they've probably already diverged significantly).
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Fiedler posted:nadella has essentially ignored windows, allowing the org to continue building the ridiculous wcos bullshit. nadella is focused on selling office subscriptions and azure services. the only major thing he has done with windows is split it in two, giving half to office and half to azure. unfortunately the wcos stupidity somehow survived the re-org, presumably because the new owners in office don't have enough sense to kill it entirely. they did kill the phone variant, though, and decided to repurpose the phone hardware investment as a generic android device. in effect wcos is a dead product walking and has been since the surface duo announcement. what's wcos
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Amethyst posted:what's wcos https://www.windowscentral.com/windows-core-os
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windows except it supports dual-screen laptops and only runs uwp apps
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win ce on the dreamcast was the best console project MS has been involved with
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and even that sucked with terrible overhead which made it useless for anything complex
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Last Chance posted:and even that sucked with terrible overhead which made it useless for anything complex iirc that's how someone ported snes9x, which was notable for running at 50%-80% of native speed (of the snes)
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i remember that.. super mario world was almost playable. if you disabled sound. 
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hey how's ARM on Windows MK. II goingThe Verge posted:[Chrome] runs on the Surface Pro X, but I wouldn’t say it sprints. It is discernibly slower than the 64-bit ARM version of Edge on this computer — that’s been true even on Intel computers, but it’s a little slower here. Still, totally usable.
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in other words, verge score 9/10
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 "good: industrial design / bad: literally everything you want in a tablet / 6.5" bonus pic of into the breach from the video review 
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Microsoft: Still, totally usable.
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lol this is some early internet’s infinite javascript pop up windows style stuff https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/11/scammers-are-exploiting-an-unpatched-firefox-bug-to-send-users-into-a-panic/
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Bobby Digital posted:can’t believe you left the kin out Microsoft secret shopped Verizon stores and gave what they'd believed to be the kin pitch: "I have a kid who wants a smartphone but I want to spy on them," and sales reps always tried to talk them out of it. Ms did not take that well. Also, after kins service was discontinued within a year of launch, you could get upgraded to any phone for free, so the kin was also a good value.
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gg michaelsoft
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Chris Knight posted:gg michaelsoft gg with the url chris fe: aww you fixed it
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yep!
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Miley Virus posted:hey how's ARM on Windows MK. II going wow. whoever could have foreseen this? no one, probably
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Bulgakov posted:lol this is some early internet’s infinite javascript pop up windows style stuff the throbbing text box with a different phone number than the alert box is a nice touch
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who is shipping 32 bit x86 apps
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Pinterest Mom posted:who is shipping 32 bit x86 apps
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mystes posted:Hopefully only people relying on terrible legacy stuff at this point. Visual Studio, yeah.
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i saw all that poo poo and wondered why on earth they didn't just use a low power x86 chip the reason is incredibly unbelievably dumb the surface pro x uses an honest-to-god cellphone chipset. a snapdragon/adreno setup just like any android phone. i'm sure the battery life is great but even if you had a natively compiled firefox or visual studio or photoshop, it's not gonna be real pleasant on a loving cellphone chip
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fuckin finally https://twitter.com/omgubuntu/status/1191737207205314560
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:i'm sure the battery life is great The third and most common reason to get an ARM Windows computer is battery life. Here, though, I have strange news to report: it’s okay, but it’s not stellar. Other ARM computers promise 20-plus hours of battery, but Microsoft promises a much more modest 13 hours of “typical device usage,” which includes some portion of downtime and keeps the screen at only about one-third of its max brightness. I didn’t get to 13 hours, but I did get around five to six hours of active use each of the four days I tested it so far — more in the later days as Windows settled down and I started working more within its limitations. By Microsoft’s metric, which includes “a mixture of active use and modern standby,” I’d say I got around nine or 10 hours. That’s not atrocious by 2019 Intel laptop standards, but the promise of ARM is that I wouldn’t need to be reaching for a charge by mid-afternoon, and I definitely needed to. Especially at the prices Microsoft is charging, I was hoping for more.
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ok so they used a gutless cellphone chip that's not compatible with any software and it still sucks as bad as a regular x86 laptop with a fast-as-gently caress chip? why? i mean, i get like 5-6 hours out of a 4-core i7 with a 17" screen ... how the gently caress can they not beat that with an itty bitty screen and a lovely cellphone chip what the hell is wrong with microsoft. or windows. or edge.
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the chip isn't a cellphone part. previous windows on arm devices used actual cellphone chips and they were unacceptably slow. they designed this chip with a significantly increased power budget to try to meet performance expectations. but if you spend all day running x86 apps (eg chrome) that require emulation, then your battery is going to have a bad time.
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Fiedler posted:the chip isn't a cellphone part. previous windows on arm devices used actual cellphone chips and they were unacceptably slow. they designed this chip with a significantly increased power budget to try to meet performance expectations. but if you spend all day running x86 apps (eg chrome) that require emulation, then your battery is going to have a bad time. a cellphone part with a wider power envelope is just an unusually thirsty cellphone part. it's not going to deliver performance like an x86 chip given that x86 chips are available in a wide range of power envelopes, and even the pretty hungry ones can achieve better battery life than this turd, i think they hosed up
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*points at passing airplane* cellphone part i'll grant that the x86 devices provide better battery life when they: - all ship with bigger batteries, and - are competing against an arm device that's spending most of its time emulating x86
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:i think they hosed up oh, word? Fiedler posted:an arm device that's spending most of its time emulating x86 not to put too fine a point on it, but it's almost as if this was an entirely foreseeable reason why this product should not be made
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