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thespaceinvader posted:I'm pretty sure nuclear annihilation is bad for workers but ymmv Private Speech posted:Crosspost from CSPAM because loving hell: e: The M62 is the border between the Midlands and the North. Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Nov 5, 2019 |
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Anyone heading to Uxbridge tonight for the Ash Sarkar/ Owen Jones canvassing?
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Nov 5, 2019 18:10
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I propose a pact between the Lib Dems and, ugh, Labour. Deselect Jeremy Corbyn from his constituency, and we will not run in Maidenhead. Only the Lib Dems can beat the Tories in Islington North!
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Nov 5, 2019 18:12
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Necrothatcher posted:Anyone heading to Uxbridge tonight for the Ash Sarkar/ Owen Jones canvassing? Boris isn't.
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Nov 5, 2019 18:14
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a pipe smoking dog posted:I'm getting very frustrated about people saying labours Brexit policy isn't clear, because the counterpoint is the Lib Dems and no one seems to know if they are now planning to revoke without a recurring or if they still support a referendum, and if they do what there terms of their referendum would be. Have they actually firmly set out their policy anywhere? quote:If there is a General Election before a People’s Vote, then we’re offering voters an easy way to stop Brexit; elect a Liberal Democrat majority government, which will revoke Article 50. https://www.libdems.org.uk/archive-europe-policy Labour's is also straightforward, in the sense that nobody successfully held the Conservatives to account on their myriad red lines either: quote:A Labour government will immediately legislate for a final say vote once elected. ... https://labour.org.uk/page/labour-brexit-plan/ (what has potentially changed since as recently as April earlier this year that in Conference in September, Conference voted to abandon "freedom of movement will end" since it passed "Labour will include in the manifesto pledges to... Campaign for free movement, equality and rights for migrants". Conference is not actually empowered to make that decision - we will find out what the party stance is at the GE when the Clause V meeting concludes. The commitment to ending freedom of movement was previously the biggest sticking point in the Labour plan to have "a" new customs union. )
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Nov 5, 2019 18:17
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Is there any list of goons featured on the podcast by their usernames - or is that left intentionally vague? I feel a need/compulsion to mentally link these disembodied voices to an avatar.
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Nov 5, 2019 18:19
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:That might be a bigger lightning rod for arguments than no poppy at all. Funny you should mention it, this delight just scrolled past me on Facebook: 
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Nov 5, 2019 18:19
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a pipe smoking dog posted:I'm getting very frustrated about people saying labours Brexit policy isn't clear, because the counterpoint is the Lib Dems and no one seems to know if they are now planning to revoke without a recurring or if they still support a referendum, and if they do what there terms of their referendum would be. Have they actually firmly set out their policy anywhere? More to the point, what will they pressure the other parties into accepting, in their position as minority party. Hopefully they are going to get eviscerated over this, because for christ knows what reason they appear to be going full steam ahead on loudly insisting that a Lib Dem majority is somehow possible.
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Nov 5, 2019 18:20
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Steve2911 posted:Is there any list of goons featured on the podcast by their usernames - or is that left intentionally vague? I feel a need compulsion to mentally link these disembodied voices to an avatar. As a rule we try to keep things such that someone who doesn't read the thread could come into any episode blind and not be too overwhelmed with SA in jokes/user names
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Nov 5, 2019 18:21
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Labour notably does not say what it will do if it does not win a majority (this is strategically sensible for a major party; I'm sure most here can appreciate that LDEM sounds a little ridiculous whenever it tries to duck the question, but LAB can maintain its silence on that question, even if the polls suggest a hung parliament). Of course, a rabid single-issuer might not find that silence sufficient either. That's single-issuers for you.
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Nov 5, 2019 18:24
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Necrothatcher posted:What does the thread think about canvassing and poppies? I never wear poppies and it has never been commented on. Either people are all politely keeping their thoughts to themselves, or people don't actually spend much time thinking about what accessories a stranger they meet isn't wearing. Or I suppose I might live in an unusually enlightened region, but since it is Cornwall that seems unlikely.
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a pipe smoking dog posted:I'm getting very frustrated about people saying labours Brexit policy isn't clear, because the counterpoint is the Lib Dems and no one seems to know if they are now planning to revoke without a recurring or if they still support a referendum, and if they do what there terms of their referendum would be. Have they actually firmly set out their policy anywhere? The current policy may be expressible in a few short sentences, but it was never the case that people literally could not understand it. The problem has always been that questions like ‘is Brexit good or bad?’ and ‘if Labour wins, will Brexit happen?’ cannot be officially and honestly answered by any Labour candidate. This remains a massive handicap going into the vote, and is the most likely explanation that despite all the vigorous urous campaigning, Tory gaffes and and slick social media presences, Labour is still flatlining in the polls.
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Nov 5, 2019 18:29
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None of the other parties can honestly answer it either. I think you're working backwards from your pet conclusion.
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Nov 5, 2019 18:35
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a pipe smoking dog posted:I'm getting very frustrated about people saying labours Brexit policy isn't clear, because the counterpoint is the Lib Dems and no one seems to know if they are now planning to revoke without a recurring or if they still support a referendum, and if they do what there terms of their referendum would be. Have they actually firmly set out their policy anywhere? Several times. Differently each time, of course.
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Nov 5, 2019 18:36
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Aberdeen City Council co-leader Douglas Lumsden is the new Tory candidate for Aberdeen South. So far he has put out a letter bashing Nicola Sturgeon, praised known rapist Ross Thomson for his service, and deleted his Twitter account.
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Nov 5, 2019 18:37
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:More to the point, what will they pressure the other parties into accepting, in their position as minority party. Hopefully they are going to get eviscerated over this, because for christ knows what reason they appear to be going full steam ahead on loudly insisting that a Lib Dem majority is somehow possible.
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Nov 5, 2019 18:38
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is it considered a threat to say it would be good for jrm to experience being trapped in a burning building asking for a friend
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Nov 5, 2019 18:39
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bump_fn posted:is it considered a threat to say it would be good for jrm to experience being trapped in a burning building asking for a friend If you get in trouble for anything else, it will be regardless of whether it normally could be.
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Nov 5, 2019 18:43
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Firos posted:As a rule we try to keep things such that someone who doesn't read the thread could come into any episode blind and not be too overwhelmed with SA in jokes/user names Fair enough. You certainly do a very good job of that. Have many people outside here found it as of yet?
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Nov 5, 2019 18:43
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Eric Heffer, on the left, addressing the 1981 Labour party Conference:quote:... because we held the referendum in 1975 [on membership of the European Community], we have the argument that we are in duty bound to have it now. We do not accept that argument on the NEC, because at the next election the electorate will be faced with a clear choice: to vote Labour and take us out, or to vote Tory, Liberal or SDP and keep us in. And Bill Sirs, for the party right: quote:Tony Benn said of the referendum that he had done so much to achieve, that the British people had spoken and we must tremble before their voice. Well, the facts are these. If the British people have spoken and if we have decided that they should make the decision — a decision of the greatest magnitude to the whole British nation — we should not, as a party, say that we are now going to deny them the same opportunity.... History moves in odd ways sometimes... In case you are wondering, in 1981 Labour was certainly not polling close to remotely well - Alliance was at its peak and was outpolling both LAB and CON in a massive landslide. That was the year of "Go back to your constituencies, and prepare for government!". By December that year Alliance outpolled LAB and CON put together. In March the following year, Roy Jenkins won Glasgow Hillhead from the Conservatives and returned to Parliament in triumph. In April, Argentina invaded the Falklands. ronya fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Nov 5, 2019 |
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Nov 5, 2019 18:43
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sebzilla posted:Anyone got any good sources/quotes from EU folks saying they'd renegotiate the Brexit Deal with Labour? Nothing to hand I am afraid but I definitely recall Corbyn talking to the EU about the sorts of deal they'd be looking for and stated to cameras that what they'd put forward is pretty much "yep this looks pretty good" as far as EU feedback was concerned. This was around the time of the first extension last year if that helps any searching.
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Nov 5, 2019 18:45
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Tesseraction posted:Interesting comparison of trend lines then and trendlines now https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1191611249987129344 I like that the little downtixk matches exactly too. To steal an awful bitcoiner phrase, to the moon from now on?
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Nov 5, 2019 18:46
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a pipe smoking dog posted:I'm getting very frustrated about people saying labours Brexit policy isn't clear, because the counterpoint is the Lib Dems and no one seems to know if they are now planning to revoke without a recurring or if they still support a referendum, and if they do what there terms of their referendum would be. Have they actually firmly set out their policy anywhere? From now on just reply with this tweet https://www.twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1191687795343052802
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Nov 5, 2019 18:47
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holy poo poo https://twitter.com/jennirsl/status/1191766787202924547
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Nov 5, 2019 19:01
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Well, I just found out that despite letting my voter registration lapse after 5 years out of the country I can in fact reregister in time for the GE. Obviously I'm rooting for glorious fully automated luxury gay jam socialism; my vote would however be in Brighton Pavilion which is probably the only constituency in England where I'd consider not voting Labour on the grounds that hey, it's Caroline. Any thoughts? Is it worth propping up the only Green presence in the UK (despite my forceful love of Atomz,) or is it 'gently caress it, Labour labour labour'?
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Nov 5, 2019 19:04
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Something positive I’ve noticed lately though, from what I’ve seen no one is buying the story that the firefighters were at fault for Grenfell. Not even the most hardcore of gammons. It’s anecdotal but it’s good to see people aren’t falling for it.
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Nov 5, 2019 19:06
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I live in drunk aunty emily's constituency so I look forward to greeting these alleged legions of libdem canvassers with the heartiest of gently caress-offs
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Nov 5, 2019 19:06
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Will the upcoming Clause V meeting drop the commitment to ending freedom of movement? + many obvious briefings that 2019 will be similar to 2017 - it will make Credible Leave Option a hard sell. CON is still the main opponent, not LDEM (too far behind) or SNP (too far ahead). Insofar as the tactical ambiguity is still being won very, very hard at this point, one might as well go all the way. Easy punt is for the manifesto just not say anything about it.
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Nov 5, 2019 19:06
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I've not heard anything about Labour changing their desire to implement their own immigration policy. Freedom of Movement as it is isn't perfect.
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Unkempt posted:Well, I just found out that despite letting my voter registration lapse after 5 years out of the country I can in fact reregister in time for the GE. Obviously I'm rooting for glorious fully automated luxury gay jam socialism; my vote would however be in Brighton Pavilion which is probably the only constituency in England where I'd consider not voting Labour on the grounds that hey, it's Caroline. Any thoughts? Is it worth propping up the only Green presence in the UK (despite my forceful love of Atomz,) or is it 'gently caress it, Labour labour labour'? Go Full Jam. It would be worth propping up the Greens if it looked like they might be losing to the Tories (any colour) but that's not happening.
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Nov 5, 2019 19:10
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Bundy posted:I've not heard anything about Labour changing their desire to implement their own immigration policy. Freedom of Movement as it is isn't perfect. As I said above, Conference does not have the jurisdiction to decide this but it can be a strong advocate, especially for committee members looking for a plausible reason: https://labourlist.org/2019/09/labour-conference-approves-motion-to-extend-free-movement/
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Nov 5, 2019 19:11
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Wear a poppy but also an Argentina football jersey and Union Jack trousers
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Nov 5, 2019 19:16
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sebzilla posted:Go Full Jam. Actually looking at the last results holy crap she's got a massive majority now, it was close to a 3-way marginal last time I voted there. gently caress it, jam it is!
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Nov 5, 2019 19:21
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So I help to write some stuff for a silly local meme page. It’s all small stuff but our biggest thing was a post that got seen by about 600,000 people, although most things are about 20,000 views (much less interaction obvs). So I’ve convinced the other guys that wrote for it that we should start making memes of our local Tory MP, Derek Thomas, in the small chance it might just influence a few people. Every little helps, sort of thing. You should do this too! It’s cathartic. 
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Nov 5, 2019 19:23
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Pochoclo posted:Wear a poppy but also an Argentina football jersey and Union Jack trousers Your risking a Total Gammon Collapse scenario here
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Nov 5, 2019 19:24
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https://mobile.twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1191772096915001344 jesus gently caress
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Nov 5, 2019 19:27
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Unkempt posted:Actually looking at the last results holy crap she's got a massive majority now, it was close to a 3-way marginal last time I voted there. gently caress it, jam it is! I think you'd be safe voting Labour. Minimal support for BXP, Tory support seems unlikely to gain much in such a Remain constituency and the LDs probably aren't going to be running a candidate, so your worst-case scenario is the Greens keeping the seat and best-case is it flipping to Labour.
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Apraxin posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1191772096915001344
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