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It's amusing that the series has continued with Diablo as the main antagonist in all three games despite the lore having no shortage of bad guys. He'll probably be the prime baddie again in this one even if Lilith has received the main focus so far. You just know he's gonna show up (unless they save him for the expansion this time)! The "I am not the Archangel Tyrael" twist at the end of D2 has gotta go down as one of the most badass video game endings ever.
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Marius' reaction as he realizes what he's done is just soooo good
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Nov 5, 2019 16:12
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*kramers into thread* actually d2 story is worse than d3 you’re just older 
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Nov 5, 2019 16:25
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Tyrael is an absolute dick to Marius. Sure he fucks up and releases Baal but to charge him with going to the jungle, find the portal to hell, GO TO HELL, find the hell forge and destroy the stone you just took? Tyrael, buddy, maybe find someone better suited for the task? That said, Marius did make it to Mephisto/the gate before turning away so at the very least he’s very sneaky.
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Nov 5, 2019 16:32
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exquisite tea posted:It's amusing that the series has continued with Diablo as the main antagonist in all three games despite the lore having no shortage of bad guys. He'll probably be the prime baddie again in this one even if Lilith has received the main focus so far. You just know he's gonna show up (unless they save him for the expansion this time)! It's called Diablo tbf.
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Nov 5, 2019 16:35
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To be fair diablo just means diablo in Italian
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Nov 5, 2019 16:42
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Nov 5, 2019 17:21
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I've been watching some of the D4 Blizzcon videos and uhm yeah. I have no expectations that D4's story will be good but I really hope that it'll at least be unobtrusive. The presentation looks like the same as the D2 presentation back in the day, only scaled to 2019. "Bigger world than before" needs to mean a lot more nowadays and so it seems. The World Bosses look cool and I hope they remain interesting and not a chore. Runes look like just trigger gems from Path of Exile and I'm fine with that, but the rest of the itemization... it just looks like D3 but somehow more anemic, so far.
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Nov 5, 2019 17:24
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Elentor posted:I've been watching some of the D4 Blizzcon videos and uhm yeah. But don't you see? The game won't out for 5 years so we aren't allowed to complain or speculate about the itemization.
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Nov 5, 2019 17:26
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I mean, whatever D4 ends up being, I'll still play the poo poo out of it as long as they don't regress from D3 in terms of loot. None of this "legendaries need to be extra rare so it feels good to get them" nonsense from D3 launch. Have that and "randomized" dungeons and I'll probably throw another couple hundred hours into a dumb game just to make monsters explode better with higher numbers.
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Nov 5, 2019 17:39
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Tyrael is an absolute dick to Marius. Sure he fucks up and releases Baal but to charge him with going to the jungle, find the portal to hell, GO TO HELL, find the hell forge and destroy the stone you just took? I'm sure he would have found someone better suited if he didn't know he was about to get overpowered by baal in about 2 seconds. Steve2911 posted:It's called Diablo tbf. This is a terrible argument tbf.
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Nov 5, 2019 17:43
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Ice Fist posted:I mean, whatever D4 ends up being, I'll still play the poo poo out of it as long as they don't regress from D3 in terms of loot. None of this "legendaries need to be extra rare so it feels good to get them" nonsense from D3 launch. Bad news on that front, amicus
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Nov 5, 2019 17:45
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euphronius posted:Bad news on that front, amicus I haven't seen anything to the contrary yet. Did I miss something?
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Nov 5, 2019 17:51
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Tenzarin posted:D3 story was fine, never really played d2 for the story. I still shudder when anyone says "looking for baal?" Diablo 2 at least had characters you cared about and fights that were memorable
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Nov 5, 2019 17:51
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Ice Fist posted:I mean, whatever D4 ends up being, I'll still play the poo poo out of it as long as they don't regress from D3 in terms of loot. None of this "legendaries need to be extra rare so it feels good to get them" nonsense from D3 launch. Have that and "randomized" dungeons and I'll probably throw another couple hundred hours into a dumb game just to make monsters explode better with higher numbers. The problem was that the legendaries were rare and they were TERRIBLE so it felt bad to find and get them.
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Nov 5, 2019 17:53
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Ice Fist posted:I haven't seen anything to the contrary yet. Did I miss something? In that icy veins article I posted above Legendaries rare
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Nov 5, 2019 17:55
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euphronius posted:In that icy veins article I posted above Rarer than they are now? They are already 'rare' in comparison to the other loot.
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Nov 5, 2019 17:56
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wet_goods posted:The problem was that the legendaries were rare and they were TERRIBLE so it felt bad to find and get them. Yeah this is the real problem. If they're rare but also really good and interesting it's not so bad. Lots of games have reasonably low drop rates but still manage to be entertaining. Not that I'm advocating for horrible drop rates or anything.
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Nov 5, 2019 18:03
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We don't have absolute drop rates for anything. Legendaries will be more rare relative to "rare" items but they may not be rare in terms of being very difficult to find. The biggest take away from the loot stuff so far is that legendary items will be equivalent to sets in power and that you can only equip one mythic item which will have a bunch of random special mods. And so far the mythic item they revealed had pretty boring random mods.
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Nov 5, 2019 18:09
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wet_goods posted:I still shudder when anyone says "looking for baal?" NOT EVEN DEATH CAN SAVE YOU FROM ME
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Nov 5, 2019 18:10
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Make all the really good uniques as rare as Tyrael's Might is in D2. If one of them drops, your head explodes with dopamine.
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Nov 5, 2019 18:13
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My god people They won’t drop as much as in D3 Drop rates will not be modified as you get farther into endgame (possibly one drop rate while leveling and another at max, but that’s it)
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Nov 5, 2019 18:20
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euphronius posted:Oh man they didn’t mention companions for d4. gently caress. It's always online with areas that open up to more than a full group in d3. I think companions might be gone, or limited even more now.
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Nov 5, 2019 18:56
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euphronius posted:In that icy veins article I posted above I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, very early during a season in D3 legendaries are mostly just Mat trash. You farm for a set and a handful of specific legendaries. It's pretty easy to reach this point. Eventually getting a legendary that's a real upgrade for your character can take a while. If the idea here is that rares are used more while we gather "better", less vendor trash legendaries than that's okay and sets as we know them take a secondary role I can be okay with that depending on how it turns out. So long as they have the proper balance of reasonable character growth vs time spent in game then maybe this won't *feel* much different than before. On the other hand, they're going to gently caress this up and everyone is going to be pissed about it. At the very least they better not get rid of tailored loot. That is, I hope we're not going back to the days of getting +int items when I'm playing a barb because "it's fun to get items for a character you're not playing" etc. I will enjoy finding out how this turns out in 5 years.
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Nov 5, 2019 18:57
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There isn’t int items at this point. Legos can be used by any class
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Nov 5, 2019 19:18
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Sounds like they want, using D3 colors: White < Blue < Yellow < Green < Orange (Brown) < +1 Mythic Green+ have ancient variants. So if the loot treadmill is wearing whatever while you get a set running and then run that while you build out your legendary load out and then everything is on a drop rate so that you are getting upgrades at around the same pace as D3 then I'd be happy. You are just going through additional gear iterations in the process.
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Some Forbes article about the loot said green and orange are on the same tier. So you can mix and match set and legendary stuff. And there are ancient versions of both. Mythic is a higher tier but since you can only wear one at a time it's not like you're trying to replace all your stuff with mythic.
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Nov 5, 2019 19:37
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Icey-Veins Article posted:Itemization
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Nov 5, 2019 19:45
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The thing with no respec is it makes leveling loot more powerful and worth having but is that worth leveling anther char? Like gem of ease and cubing gems on gear is kind of useless (at least in soft core) Tbh I’m ok with leveling chars for each spec as long as there are easy ways to power level even though that probably makes no sense
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Nov 5, 2019 20:54
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Can't you do 1-60 in D3 like, super fuckin quick in Adventure Mode? I seem to recall being able to bump the Difficulty up a few notches and cashing in. For some reason I decided to make a Seasonal Character since reinstalling so I've gotta play through Story Mode like some kind of sucker :/
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Nov 5, 2019 20:57
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Assuming the skill points don't get exponentially harder to grind out there may not be a point to re-rolling. Just play your main character more until you get the points you need. The new skill points sound more like paragon in D3 except maybe slightly more impactful and you can't change their allocation.
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Nov 5, 2019 21:01
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Sab669 posted:Can't you do 1-60 in D3 like, super fuckin quick in Adventure Mode? I seem to recall being able to bump the Difficulty up a few notches and cashing in. If you made a seasonal character you should be able to jump right into Adventure Mode w/o having to do the story
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Nov 5, 2019 21:03
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exquisite tea posted:The "I am not the Archangel Tyrael" twist at the end of D2 has gotta go down as one of the most badass video game endings ever. Blizzard's storytelling was always this pulp "oh really" thing, but the execution back then was hella tight, particularly Diablo because - again, "oh really" - the Spanish word for the devil is not exactly horror-worthy Then look at me freaking the gently caress out at the Butcher's room and welp euphronius posted:To be fair diablo just means diablo in Italian [musters all the strength] b-b-b-but... it's "Diavolo" [faints]
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Nov 5, 2019 21:38
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The Inferno Hell debacle was on Sa games forums right I’m so old
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Nov 5, 2019 21:40
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dead gay comedy forums posted:[musters all the strength] b-b-b-but... it's "Diavolo" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR5pus7y5mY
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Nov 5, 2019 22:29
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wet_goods posted:I still shudder when anyone says "looking for baal?" H... how often does this happen to you?
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Nov 5, 2019 22:38
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euphronius posted:The Inferno Hell debacle was on Sa games forums right It was everywhere. "But isn't hell... inferno?" was something I got to hear even my old man asking. My entire country was on the joke to the point where they just changed, IIRC, Inferno to "Tormento" here (this was long before RoS).
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It's unsurprising, but I'm vaguely concerned they didn't even nod toward D3's story. It's supposed to be set in the future, right? But there's not even a mention of nephalem, even to handwave away that "oh the world is still lovely because the newly powered nephalem fought among each other and it sucked". Like, I get that NPC Li-Ming being able to telefrag stuff to oblivion while dressed in bright colours messes with your ~dark and gritty~ and that D3's story is poorly received but they could've at least pretended it existed, y'know?
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To be honest if you have a story that tremendously embarassing as part of your series the best bet is to just hand wave it away and forget it happened. Maybe make a one-off joke about it somewhere but don't draw attention to it. Just go straight clean slate.
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Lilith has the power to literally erase the whole era of D3 time.
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