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OwlFancier posted:Not sure if you haven't been paying attention but boris sacked a big pile of his MPs so the DUP don't even give him a majority any more. Oh loving hell yeah. Thanks for the reminder. I've really got to get my brain into gear. EDIT: It's September 1666 and London is on fire, JRM has some opinions about the people that died. bessantj fucked around with this message at 23:49 on Nov 5, 2019 |
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Ratjaculation posted:This JRM poo poo has made me miserable all day, I don't know how he continues to surprise me with his absolute elitist evil poo poo but he does Don't let it make you miserable. Let it make you hate. Any time you feel like politics aren't worth it, remember that this is what the ruling classes think of you and everyone you know and love. Have it in your back pocket for the next time some loving melt starts talking about how  is important. It might be unhealthy in the long term, but hate is a nice little psychic caffeine shot for when you need it.
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RockyB posted:The problem is so many low-information voters just aren't going to realise and still loving vote for them out of inertia. Just look at those replies to Corbyn's revolution tweet and how few people even bothered to watch the first ten seconds of video. Depressing, as much as I hold out hope for real change. People on political Twitter aren't low-info voters, people on political Twitter are completely unrepresentative wierdos myself very much included. Low-info voters are normal people that are consistently loving knackered or dullard shitheads but statistically both can be meaningfully reached by someone knocking on their door, hearing their pain and saying your life could be better here's how.
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Vitamin P posted:Not often I'm out-Epstein brained but yeah I see it, wasn't doing that angle though. Ms Adequate posted:It would have been incredibly easy to just say "It's the local council's fault" and turn that into a virtue, i.e. "Look, we're not partisan, we'll criticize a Tory council when they get it wrong!" and they don't even have to do anything after that just refer to it for the next few weeks and forget about it after the election.
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Ratjaculation posted:toxx this statement you coward! Yeaaahh screw that. I wouldn't trust the Grauniad to eat a bacon sandwich without somehow smearing it over every possible bodily extremity. E: That said ... https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/04/the-guardian-view-on-labours-radical-plans-fix-the-economy-and-democracy However,  : Labour will win an overall majority in the December 2019 elections, or lowtax gets another $10 towards his cyber-spine. (My second ever toxx, and jesus it's been 12 years since I actually paid anything for these forums so why not  )
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This is unrelated to the UK but I want to share how this Pinochet is very clearly Justin trudeaus brother https://twitter.com/OckFranco/statu...ingawful.com%2F
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Ms Adequate posted:It would have been incredibly easy to just say "It's the local council's fault" and turn that into a virtue, i.e. "Look, we're not partisan, we'll criticize a Tory council when they get it wrong!" and they don't even have to do anything after that just refer to it for the next few weeks and forget about it after the election. The tories as they are will always support deregulation to the hilt and always look after their own unless they betray them in some more serious matter than burning a bunch of labour voters to death. There was never an outcome where the tories hung the council or building...planners, its too late for my brain to know words, out to dry
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I'm not really sure I buy the idea that jacob rees mogg coming out with some dogshit "well I'm smart and you paups deserve to die" bullshit is some 4d hyperchess move. Maybe he's just a disgusting human being and the tories are running with disgusting human beings as their front line in this election because they've literally gone through everyone else since cameron left.
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Speaking of silly bets, odds on an overall Labour majority are now at 12/1 rather than the 22/1 I believe they were this time last week. Liberal democrat overall majority is generally sitting at 100-125/1, which is hilariously worse than the Brexit party at 80-100/1.
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Jose posted:This is unrelated to the UK but I want to share how this Pinochet is very clearly Justin trudeaus brother Maybe Fidel Castro cucked his dad too
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Communist Thoughts posted:The tories as they are will always support deregulation to the hilt and always look after their own unless they betray them in some more serious matter than burning a bunch of labour voters to death. That's not true though, early years Cameron would have one-nationed it, even T-May tried to address it in her own lovely way. This deliberate insulting of the dead is new, either it's them being undisciplined and going mask off or it's a strategy, but it's not business as usual behaviour.
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Firos posted:https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1191837051781603328?s=20 Lmao They're doing the opposite of 2017 when they got historically owned, they're pretending Labour is gonna sweep so they don't get owned twice in a row and they can then attack Labour as underperforming expectations. Don't be lulled into complacency, these people literally lie to preserve the rich being able to systemically exploit the poor, it's their job, go out and do whatever activism you are able to do and actually own them.
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The Guardian had an article in their live blog earlier today about how Labour is under performing in the polls in London and it gave me bad anxiety.
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Had an awesome night in South Ruislip tonight (nobody gave a poo poo about the poppy one way or another). Got to see Owen Jones and Ash Sarkar speak and met a whole bunch of cool and friendly people. Dunno how representative the streets we knocked on were, but I'd estimate we hit up about 100-150 houses and had decent chats at about half of them. What surprised me was that literally nobody on the doorstep brought up Brexit. Everyone wanted to talk about the NHS, how much they relied on it and how they wanted to support it. We even convinced a couple of people who "aren't political" that this election matters and they promised to vote Labour (and gave us hugs for being out on such a cold night). In fact one of the best lines I came up to convince people was saying: "believe me, I would much rather be at home in the warm than out on a drizzly November night knocking on stranger's doors. But this is really important. Things have to change". There was one weirdo 17 year old who answered the door and said she was telling her friends to vote Tory, but her Labour-supporting mother looked dead embarrassed and said she was just being rebellious against her family. I said if she's about to go off to uni she'd be stupid to vote Tory at this election when Labour are campaigning on removing tuition fees. That shut her up. Fortunately, she won't be able to vote anyway. Honestly if you're on the fence about canvassing get on it! Everyone feels way more positive and hopeful than they did in 2017. https://twitter.com/londoncitynight/status/1191852878450888704?s=20 https://twitter.com/aliciajumman/status/1191828164382789632?s=20 https://twitter.com/RedPeppermag/status/1191801149655048192?s=20
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OwlFancier posted:I'm not really sure I buy the idea that jacob rees mogg coming out with some dogshit "well I'm smart and you paups deserve to die" bullshit is some 4d hyperchess move. Yeah I think this was a case of the mask slipping rather than being taken off theatrically. He could've just outright said what he thought but he made his point in a roundabout way, and it didn't seem like he actually expected people to join the dots and realise what a reprehensible thing he was saying.
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The clp was useless, as was the candidate. We're going after the lib dem, nothing about tackling Vicky Ford, the Tory mp. I was the only looker there, which is a sad state of affairs. Also, think the Beebs taking the piss, iplayer has House of Cards on again. E: I'm being unfair, Penny made the right noises, and she doesn't seem like a blairite. We'll see.
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Necrothatcher posted:In fact one of the best lines I came up to convince people was saying: "believe me, I would much rather be at home in the warm than out on a drizzly November night knocking on stranger's doors. But this is really important. Things have to change". Mate that's a great line and good on you, you're helping more people than you know.
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Chuka Umana posted:The Guardian had an article in their live blog earlier today about how Labour is under performing in the polls in London and it gave me bad anxiety. Your name and your posting reek of lib dem piss, coward
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I wonder if I might do better at canvassing if it was a bit less formulaic. We were told to basically just give them a pitch about jobs and poo poo but like, every politcian says that. If you don't like politicians I don't get how that's going to convince anyone. Plus you sound like a salesman and everyone hates being sold poo poo. It's the thing I explicitly will not do at work because it annoys the gently caress out of me when people do it to me. Seems weird to build a campaign around it. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 00:29 on Nov 6, 2019 |
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OwlFancier posted:I wonder if I might do better at canvassing if it was a bit less formulaic. We are going on homelessness and austerity, but Chelmsford is a commuter town and full of old, so I doubt that's going to resonate much.
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OwlFancier posted:I wonder if I might do better at canvassing if it was a bit less formulaic. It's as formulaic as you make it. Just ask people what's bothering them and what they don't like about their neighbourhood then explain how and why Labour can help with that. Also memorise some local info like hospital wards closing and the amount per pupil cut at the local schools. It sounds cliche, but most of it is just listening to people and paying attention to what they say.
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Our candidate didn't seem keen on the listening part, she seemed convinced we had to bombard them with the pitch first thing or they'd just yell at us about brexit. I would have thought that asking people to talk, as you say, about local issues would be a much better approach but I've never done it before so I didn't want to gob off.
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Trickjaw posted:We are going on homelessness and austerity, but Chelmsford is a commuter town and full of old, so I doubt that's going to resonate much. I don't think Chelmsford has a very 'visible' homeless problem either. The affluent areas and town centre are pretty insulated from it - compared to larger towns and cities at least (unless it's gotten a shitload worse recently, I've not been there in a couple of years).
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OwlFancier posted:Our candidate didn't seem keen on the listening part, she seemed convinced we had to bombard them with the pitch first thing or they'd just yell at us about brexit. Well.. just don't do that. It's not like the candidate is hovering over your shoulder on each doorstep. I really think Labour's ground game is a bigger advantage that people think. Simply having an actual person on the doorstep to listen to your problems and explain policy without a media filter is a huge benefit for the Labour that the Tories simply cannot match. edit: literally nobody even said the word Brexit on the doorstep tonight. I think a lot of people just don't consider it a direct factor in their lives the way they do the NHS and schools.
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Like I said I've never done it before so I felt weird going against the person shadowing me. I just wonder if it's not really a great tactic, certainly I don't think anyones minds were changed. Instinct tells me that trying to identify with how people feel should work better, and given that I frankly think people are right in their motivation for disliking politicians and the way politics works in the country it seems like it wouldn't be that hard, but it's not like I try to persuade people of things for a living so I don't know. I'm not even particularly fussed on brexit tbh, like it's bad because the tories are gonna end up sinking the country into the sea because they're that bad at it, but I'm not actually a big EU fan, I just don't think it's really a big problem either, I dunno how that'd work with brexiters but it seems more practical than trying to railroad the conversation to stop them bringing it up.
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Necrothatcher posted:Had an awesome night in South Ruislip tonight (nobody gave a poo poo about the poppy one way or another). Got to see Owen Jones and Ash Sarkar speak and met a whole bunch of cool and friendly people. Dunno how representative the streets we knocked on were, but I'd estimate we hit up about 100-150 houses and had decent chats at about half of them. What surprised me was that literally nobody on the doorstep brought up Brexit. Everyone wanted to talk about the NHS, how much they relied on it and how they wanted to support it. We even convinced a couple of people who "aren't political" that this election matters and they promised to vote Labour (and gave us hugs for being out on such a cold night). Seriously I've had such a good time campaigning and actually talking to... you know... humans : I've met so many lovely people in momentum and it's been a really liberating experience. We spend so much time on here sharpening our rhetorical swords on this dead gay forum: what is that worth unless we talk to real people, and actually leverage the many versus few: Bolton West on Sunday expected 20 momentum people, it got about 120 - they ran out of data sheets to give us. (not all pictured)  gently caress-it - it's time - get involved. Desiderata fucked around with this message at 00:45 on Nov 6, 2019 |
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:Author of "NEVER HOPE, HOPE IS A LIE" writes I was unenthused with politics back in the days of Milliband and Brown, were labour also like that back then? I think labour are miles ahead of all the other parties with their positive messaging.
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Steve2911 posted:I don't think Chelmsford has a very 'visible' homeless problem either. The affluent areas and town centre are pretty insulated from it - compared to larger towns and cities at least (unless it's gotten a shitload worse recently, I've not been there in a couple of years). It has got worse. People dying in doorways, any day you walk along the high street theres like twenty people in sleeping bags begging. But, if you just go to the train station and home again you dont care, I suppose.
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Necrothatcher posted:That shut her up. Fortunately, she won't be able to vote anyway. She should be able to vote though, even if she votes like an idiot Good work though, it's going to be a long 5 weeks.
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https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1190821622527201281Ratjaculation posted:leak this report you coward!
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