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Ey, I'm hoping to use a grooky on my sword team along with scorbunny. If I can send any of you shield guys a version exclusive can you breed me a green boi?
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It says "no past starterS" they're allowed to have one
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Nov 5, 2019 23:05
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I'd like to request a Larvitar egg from a Shield bro too please. Assuming Larvitar isn't super late or post-game.
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Nov 5, 2019 23:11
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Toxapex and clefable are 100% getting banned from Smogon ou
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Nov 5, 2019 23:15
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I am Reverend posted:Toxapex and clefable are 100% getting banned from Smogon ou i don't know anything about comp pokemon but i'm glad that clefable is apparently a shitwrecker
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Nov 5, 2019 23:16
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i haven't kept up with singles, why's clefable gonna be the poo poo now?
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Nov 5, 2019 23:19
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It has the best typing in the game and two top five abilities and it learns every move. It struggled to keep up with megas and z moves but those are gone now, as well as every viable steel type other than ferrothorn (which it beats anyway), bisharp, and excadrill. I am Reverend fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Nov 5, 2019 |
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Nov 5, 2019 23:23
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Kite Pride Worldwide posted:poo poo, G-Darmanitan is Sword exclusive... I was thinking of getting Shield but I want all my Ice-type buddies with me You are actually excited about ice Darmanitan.
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Nov 5, 2019 23:24
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That being said there are a fuckton of other Ice-types to use, but I'm scared G-Darmanitan will be the only actually good one, assuming they keep the same stats for it.
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Brother Entropy posted:i haven't kept up with singles, why's clefable gonna be the poo poo now? Versatile movepool and the stats to back it up. Way better than many other choices in its class.
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Nov 5, 2019 23:26
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Ka0 posted:You are actually excited about ice Darmanitan. Darmanitan was always good.
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Nov 5, 2019 23:29
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What the heck I had no idea Clefable had such good stats.
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Nov 5, 2019 23:30
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Ka0 posted:You are actually excited about ice Darmanitan. what, you aren't?
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Nov 5, 2019 23:32
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It's funny because Charizard will be milked by Gamefreak until the end of the universe.
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Nov 5, 2019 23:34
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Ice Darmanitan is goofy as hell and I'm slightly tempted to use him myself, not gonna lie
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Toxapex and Clefable are really bulky pokemon with 50% healing moves. They are both immune to Toxic, eliminating the most consistent way to wear them down. Clefable is immune to stealth rocks and spikes while Toxapex has Regenerator to heal on switches easily. This means the only consistent way to take them down is a Pokemon that can do 60-70% to them and force the opponent into situations where they have to keep Clefable/Toxapex out. This is a very small subset of Pokemon when you remove every legendary. Like here's the list of Toxapex checks in current OU: - Tapu Lele - Lati@s and their mega evos - Mega Gallade - Mega Medicham - Mega Alakazam - Tapu Koko - Zapdos - Landorus-T - Garchomp - Gliscor Literally every one of these pokemon got removed from Gen 8. Non-mega Gallade and Medicham are still in, but they are nowhere near as good without their Megas. Also keep in mind that because of Scald, all physical attackers and especially ground types kind of suck at dealing with Toxapex anyways. Like, seriously suck. Dugtrio actually takes more from 0 defense Toxapex than uninvested Toxapex's Scald does back, neither will ever ohko, and Dugtrio can't 2hko if it gets burned. Clefable does a similar thing where you can't wear it down at all, they always invest extremely heavily in bulk, and if you can't consistently 2hko it then it will just never die. Clefable is uniquely obnoxious in this regard because like Toxapex's Scald shutting down physical attackers that could be a solid 2hko on it, Clefable has Calm Mind so special attackers need to do around 75% in 1 hit to it consistently or else it usually goes like first hit 60%, leftovers heal to 46% left and calm mind, second hit does 40% taking it down to 6%, Clefable Softboils, ends turn with leftovers at 62% and with a CM boost and you can no longer touch it. Also I'll throw in my own 2 cents and say be aware of Ferrothorn + Toxapex as a defensive core. Toxapex resists fighting and fire, Ferrothorn resists psychic and electric and is neutral to ground (though almost all ground attackers are phys and Ferrothorn has insane phys def, also as I pointed out ground types actually aren't that good at checking Toxapex). E: OU obviously has to have a banlist anyways and I'll be glad if they finally ban Toxapex because it's been incredibly lovely for OU since its inception. Aegislash is in Sword/Shield and there is no way Aegislash should be allowed in any OU, both because of power level and creating absolutely miserable RPS situations.
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Blaziken386 posted:Ice Darmanitan is goofy as hell and I'm slightly tempted to use him myself, not gonna lie Does it still have sheer force
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I actually wonder if Ice Darmanitan will have the same Zen Mode gimmick that regular Darmanitan could have.
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Actually how is comp going to work now? Is it going to follow along with the Swoshi roster and mechanics?
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Electric Phantasm posted:Actually how is comp going to work now? Is it going to follow along with the Swoshi roster and mechanics? I think they might follow two separate meta games. A Sword and Shield one with everyone available in these games (important for VGC), and a National dex one with everyone in it (important for Showdown)
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Electric Phantasm posted:Actually how is comp going to work now? Is it going to follow along with the Swoshi roster and mechanics? VGC will do VGC things. Smogon singles always follow the latest gen - back before pokebank was enabled in past gens you were only able to use the mons you could legally get at the time, even if we knew we'd get access to the rest in a few months. As soon as things are legally available on cart they're enabled for smogon singles, such as when new mythicals or hidden abilities become available (again, even if they were datamined previously). Past gen metagames are still available to play and someone here actually wrote up a really interesting history on one of the cross-generation tournament series that gets ran. It's sorta cool because you get people who specialize in stuff like Gen 4 UU who you'd never hear about otherwise but who know their preferred metagame inside and out.
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Ultima66 posted:Toxapex and Clefable are really bulky pokemon with 50% healing moves. They are both immune to Toxic, eliminating the most consistent way to wear them down. Clefable is immune to stealth rocks and spikes while Toxapex has Regenerator to heal on switches easily. Clef and Toxapex also both have means of nullifying set-up, though Unaware Clef can't heal as reliably. That being said, in Gen 7 OU Toxapex did have a number of very common checks that made it frustrating, but not impossible to deal with. Gen 8's going to have, what, Excadrill from the old guard and from the new guard, possibly the electric fossils, Galarian Confagrigus, Galarian Rapidash, that Electric-Poison guy (the most likely check)? As for Clef, here's hoping Duraldon has Mold Breaker as a hidden ability, I guess. pospysyl fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Nov 5, 2019 |
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Way back many years ago I ran into a simple, yet annoying stall-Clefable. It had protect/toxic/wish for set up and moonblast for stab. It was so simple and effective, the only thing I had to counter it was a lucario with drat flash cannon. But that's what I get for not packing any poison types.
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So did Purugly just really piss off someone? Because they've only been catchable in Pearl, the Dream World, and ORAS.
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Ultima66 posted:Toxapex and Clefable are really bulky pokemon with 50% healing moves. They are both immune to Toxic, eliminating the most consistent way to wear them down. Clefable is immune to stealth rocks and spikes while Toxapex has Regenerator to heal on switches easily. As someone with no interest in competitive but an extreme love of Toxapex, I'm so happy to hear my boy is/was apparently such a terror. 
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Is this out or is everybody just already metagaming trades. Because for either i am 
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What's stopping my venusaur from just crossing the Chunnel if people are coming all the way from Kanto with mons??
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ZeusCannon posted:Is this out or is everybody just already metagaming trades. its out, restart steam
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Countblanc posted:its out, restart steam Say what now?
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:What's stopping my venusaur from just crossing the Chunnel if people are coming all the way from Kanto with mons?? It's too fat to fit.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:What's stopping my venusaur from just crossing the Chunnel if people are coming all the way from Kanto with mons?? Galar has a border wall lined with Landorus’
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:What's stopping my venusaur from just crossing the Chunnel if people are coming all the way from Kanto with mons?? My head canon is that actually Charizard got banned too but the Galar champion pulled some strings to allow himself to have one despite this.
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Countblanc posted:its out, restart steam  you had me for half a second there
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mikemil828 posted:My head canon is that actually Charizard got banned too but the Galar champion pulled some strings to allow himself to have one despite this.
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Brother Entropy posted:i haven't kept up with singles, why's clefable gonna be the poo poo now? You already got the competitive answer, so I'll give you the non competitive one. Pokes like Clefable, Toxapex, Aegislash and other walls that are resistant to Toxic create super boring 80 turns stall games where no matter what the game tells you at the end of it you are both losers.
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lezard_valeth posted:You already got the competitive answer, so I'll give you the non competitive one. Pokes like Clefable, Toxapex, Aegislash and other walls that are resistant to Toxic create super boring 80 turns stall games where no matter what the game tells you at the end of it you are both losers. singles life sounds very depressing, yall should try vgc sometime
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VGC isn't gonna be any much better, even with the less stall. That's the only thing I am looking forward this generation, the absolute mess that will be the exact same teams in VGC over and over and over
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mikemil828 posted:My head canon is that actually Charizard got banned too but the Galar champion pulled some strings to allow himself to have one despite this. Then why didn't he pick something actually good without a gimmick? He could have even chosen an actual dragon as a partner instead of a winged lizard.
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